MHA say UK prosecuted two wars in China in the 19th century to force the Chinese to accept opium imports

[holytrinity33]

The war that ensued flowed with little difficulty for Britain. Closely following Jardine’s suggested strategies, and armed with overwhelming technological superiority; the British military easily turned the war into a one-sided affair.

They effortlessly captured the port of Tin-hai in October of 1841, in a battle in which they lost only three men compared to the Chinese’s loss of over 2,000. Other battles with similar outcomes followed as the British systematically massacred the Chinese army in route to victory.

Final death tolls at the end of the war have been estimated at only 500 for the British and over 20,000 Chinese troops. One British officer remarked on these lopsided numbers, “The poor Chinese had two choices, either they must submit to be poisoned, or must be massacred by the thousands, for supporting their own laws in their own land.”

William Jardine: Architect of the First Opium War
-Benjamin Cassan

Seeing how successful the Chartist had been in presenting their views, James Matheson wrote to Jardine suggesting that he, “secure the services of some leading newspaper to advocate the cause,” as well hire some “literary men” to write up “the requisite memorials in the most concise and clear shape.”

Jardine took Matheson’s advice and immediately had his views expressed in many British newspapers. These articles told a much different story than those supplied by the Chartist newspapers, claiming that the Chinese had wrongfully destroyed property which was not theirs, and in the process had directly insulted the British Crown.

Further acting on Matheson's advice to hire some “literary men”, it was probably Jardine himself who commissioned Samuel Warren, a best-selling British author, to compose a pamphlet in favor of the British merchants. In early 1840, Warren produced The Opium Question, in which he criticized both the Chinese emperor and Commissioner Lin, and threatened that after the Naval and military force of Great Britain crushes the “Ancient Fooleries” of their nation the Emperor would have a “new and astounding view of the petty barbarians, whom he has insulted, oppressed and tyrannized over so long.”

The tone in both the newspaper articles and The Opium Question clearly show the manner in which Jardine intended to present his side of the argument to the public. Unlike the Chartist, Jardine steered clear on discussing the actual morality of the opium trade when presenting his side of the debate.

 

[Kiwi8]

I can see in MHA reply that they very petty. Just because UK waged 2 wars over opium against Qing dynasty doesn't mean UK cannot comment on 21st century drug matters.

 

[Laneige]

USA is full of school shootings.... latest drivers shooting each others' daughters in a road rage..... who can forget the police abuse of colored people recently

I am not sure why they keep wanting China people to live and accept a society like theirs and refuse to let them live the life they want.

UK/USA are going around telling other people they need to be like them. But we don't want to be like them.

They go ard making other countries ended up in conflicts because they always say in the power of prevention, they put missiles etc aim at ppl door step. Then u have those groups that supported them n said they put there only, didn’t attack, why the other party so agitated. If now ppl go ard usa n do similar stunts, it will be fun to see. Their reactions

 

[Laneige]

Support MHA! This one must defend strongly. Keep the death sentence for drug trafficking. After Nancy Pelosi’s visit and the timing with section 377a announcement, every egoistic self-important idiotic foreigner thinks he/she can arm twist Singapore to make a name for himself/herself.

Unfortunately we did v fast hand fast legs amend ....

 

[Youareme]

curry nah
MHA infiltrated with CCP
using glassheart CCP war wolf tactics?

 

[BioProEng]

curry nah
MHA infiltrated with CCP
using glassheart CCP war wolf tactics?

Think those who called others whom agrees with mha as wumao, should report mha to isd for suspicion that they are wumao/dickson....

 

[eeLoyH]

Always like that.

Talk about anything and then they will say Mao kill a lot more chinese.

In Hong Kong, they even say because Mao killed a lot of chinese, means japanese kill chinese during WW2 is OK.

Likewise.

anything china you would put a spin bring in US jjww

Anything US you will put in pro china things

anything Singapore you would anti establishment and jjww china also and periodically love to mention sook ching to say Japanese did xyz

Now why is that, look at the mirror first.

topic here is about mha making a statement on uk. Whatever that suits your agenda you jjww

 

[dannytan87]

Think those who called others whom agrees with mha as wumao, should report mha to isd for suspicion that they are wumao/dickson....

Can call those who support UK Brandon junkies or drug traffickers? It's like 抹黑, name calling. It's not just about politics but drugs should always be a no

 

[Ghostpel]

The reference to the Chinese opium war is unwarranted. MHA should just focus on rebutting RB’s allegations on a personal level. It shouldn’t bring this issue to the national level by making reference to UK as a country.

 

[holytrinity33]

The 1840-42 Anglo-Chinese war (the so-called “Opium War”) is almost universally believed to have been triggered by British imperial rapacity and determination to sell more and more opium into China. That belief is mistaken. The British went to war because of Chinese military threats to defenseless British civilians, including women and children; because China refused to negotiate on terms of diplomatic equality and because China refused to open more ports than Canton to trade, not just with Britain but with everybody. The belief about British “guilt” came later, as part of China’s long catalogue of alleged Western “exploitation and aggression.”

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We know that the 1820s and 1830s were a time of social unrest and disturbance in the Chinese empire, with various rebellious groups appearing from time to time, not least in the South. It would be normal at such times for some people to use opium to relieve stress, much as the modern world has used Valium.

China as “Victim”? The Opium War That Wasn’t by Harry G. Gelber
Visiting Scholar, Center for European Studies
Harvard University

 

[dannytan87]

The reference to the Chinese opium war is unwarranted. MHA should just focus on rebutting RB’s allegations on a personal level. It shouldn’t bring this issue to the national level by making reference to UK as a country.

It a teaching material and lesson for all...

 

[anyhowsaysay]

wa MHA comments a bit weird. old history also want to talk about.

Like that, next time we need to remind Japan and Germany about WWII, need to remind China about great leap forward etc.

childish this MHA

 

[holytrinity33]

The 1840-42 Anglo-Chinese war (the so-called “Opium War”) is almost universally believed to have been triggered by British imperial rapacity and determination to sell more and more opium into China. That belief is mistaken. The British went to war because of Chinese military threats to defenseless British civilians, including women and children; because China refused to negotiate on terms of diplomatic equality and because China refused to open more ports than Canton to trade, not just with Britain but with everybody. The belief about British “guilt” came later, as part of China’s long catalogue of alleged Western “exploitation and aggression.”

...

We know that the 1820s and 1830s were a time of social unrest and disturbance in the Chinese empire, with various rebellious groups appearing from time to time, not least in the South. It would be normal at such times for some people to use opium to relieve stress, much as the modern world has used Valium.

China as “Victim”? The Opium War That Wasn’t by Harry G. Gelber
Visiting Scholar, Center for European Studies
Harvard University

What could be Britain’s justification for using force in China? It also harped – not unfairly – on the government’s failure to give the Canton Superintendent legal powers. The fiercest thrusts came from young William Gladstone, destined to become Prime Minister decades later. “A war more unjust in its origins,” he declared “a war more calculated in its progress to cover this country with permanent disgrace, I do not know and have not read of.”6 Palmerston’s response was masterful.7 It was obviously entirely China’s business to decide what should be imported into China, and to supervise and control China’s coasts. But as it was, the actions of the Chinese Commissioner had been “unjust and no better than robbery.” Indeed, a joint British, American and French naval force should in future be stationed on the China coast to look after Western interests.

 

[HumJiBeng]

Don’t understand y people like to teach others on how to govern their own land, especially when their own country is in such bad shape now.

our capital punishment is also not implemented suddenly, but been there for a long time liao.

just don’t do drugs then no capital punishment.

people break e law n then cry our law very strict.

Just not socially acceptable in modern times to them

Middle East countries women cannot go school and having public stoning to death for minor offences. We find them very odd as well

Plus amdks are very vocal.

Asians see middle east odd but but we diam diam because not our problem. We are more concern about ourselves and $$ only

 

[Urbanchap]

The 1840-42 Anglo-Chinese war (the so-called “Opium War”) is almost universally believed to have been triggered by British imperial rapacity and determination to sell more and more opium into China. That belief is mistaken. The British went to war because of Chinese military threats to defenseless British civilians, including women and children; because China refused to negotiate on terms of diplomatic equality and because China refused to open more ports than Canton to trade, not just with Britain but with everybody. The belief about British “guilt” came later, as part of China’s long catalogue of alleged Western “exploitation and aggression.”

...

We know that the 1820s and 1830s were a time of social unrest and disturbance in the Chinese empire, with various rebellious groups appearing from time to time, not least in the South. It would be normal at such times for some people to use opium to relieve stress, much as the modern world has used Valium.

China as “Victim”? The Opium War That Wasn’t by Harry G. Gelber
Visiting Scholar, Center for European Studies
Harvard University

Aiyah, loads of revisionist historians around who deny Western imperialist crimes against humanity. Doesn't mean they are right.

 

[CSNation]

Satki drugs


Sent from my toilet bowl

 

[Sporeancares]

I can see in MHA reply that they very petty. Just because UK waged 2 wars over opium against Qing dynasty doesn't mean UK cannot comment on 21st century drug matters.

wa MHA comments a bit weird. old history also want to talk about.

Like that, next time we need to remind Japan and Germany about WWII, need to remind China about great leap forward etc.

childish this MHA

Exactly.Perhaps now they see UK is weakening can spit and step on them. Branson does not represent the UK anyways so I see little reason for the invitation.
China and US too strong.Better keep big mouth shut.

 

[holytrinity33]

"This British desire for a wider sphere of operations precipitated Britain's first war with China" (in 1842). "It was called the 'Opium War' because the British urge to swamp China with India-grown opium and Chinese refusal to take it were its tangible cause".

"There is no doubt about the wanton aggression that marked the beginning of this undeclared war, nor about the singular brutality with which the British soldiers sacked peaceful cities, burned public buildings, looted, plundered and murdered . . . There was much ruthless bayoneting. Sacred temple quarters were soiled, exquisite wood carvings were used for camp fires, British soldiers watched old men, women and even children cutting each other's throats in utter despair, or drowning themselves. 'The lament of the father less, the anarchy, the starvation, and the misery of the home less wanderers', says the East India Committee of the Colonial Society in London in 1843, 'are the theme of a frightful triumph."

Shanghai: City for Sale (1940)
-Ernest O. Hauser

 

[rackgen]

19. The Ministry has also invited Mr Branson to Singapore for a live televised debate on Singapore’s approach towards drugs and the death penalty, with Singapore’s Minister for Home Affairs and Minister for Law, Mr K Shanmugam. Mr Branson’s flight to and accommodation in Singapore will be paid for. Mr Branson may use this platform to demonstrate to Singaporeans the error of our ways and why Singapore should do away with laws that have kept our population safe from the global scourge of drug abuse.

Branson need to limit his answers to yes or no?

of course lah- can dare to go against PAPayas in Sinkie land Ah ?

 

[ApuKumar_Yeo83]

Exactly.Perhaps now they see UK is weakening can spit and step on them. Branson does not represent the UK anyways so I see little reason for the invitation.
China and US too strong.Better keep big mouth shut.

LOL UK weakened compared to before WW2 but still stronger than China.

At least their people are not either fleeing the country or exported to every nation on earth as hawkers, cleaners, furniture movers, laborers, construction workers, and prostitutes. Like China that failed nation