Singapore Treasury bills (T-bills)

revhappy

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If CPF compounding is annual then we shouldnt even bring this compounding detail in comparison with Tbill, because in 6 months, the compounding has no impact
 

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I am referring to 31 Dec drawing near, prefer to earn the compound interest first. I am keeping my bullets, still plenty, for higher. Inflation proof interest refer to 5% COY to cover possibility of increase in CPF OA rate in second qtr. Otherwise, not worth my effort and risk! I am contented with 2.5% until then, should it go beyond 5%, I will beat everyone , good luck to me ;)

Should market crash, opportunity to make more, hopefully ;)
I secured T-bill at 4.4% COY for 8 Nov Auction. If I had not bid and let my OA compound with interest, at most I can bid for 6,150 instead of 6,000 units in subsequent Auctions. And if I keep waiting and hoping till COY to exceed 5% before I start bidding, I would be forgoing $763 extra interest per month. A bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush. What if 5% never comes or stays around 4.5%. I will be forgoing $4,851 extra interest by the time my bill mature on 13 Jun. Note I still get the interest up to Oct on the amount I used for T-bill in Nov and the accrued interest up Oct will be compounded on 1 Jan which I can use to bid for more units subsequently and may be at higher COY, like you hoping :D By Jun 2023, I will have more bullet for 23 Jun 2023 Auction with 6 months interest forgone.
 
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you are totally wrong. non comp is as good as bidding 0% if it is not fully subscribed. it is when it is over 40% that your nc does not affect the yield.

your rocket science did not teach you this?
I don't have the wisdom to understand the zero % bidding justification.

Can you mathematically illustrate and prove this point against the cut of yield allocation rules.
If NC amount were not over 40% , the cut off yield is still be derived based on competitive bidding accumulative amount (100% amount,XT - NC amount (if <40% of XT)).

Please enlighten me if I get a wrong understanding described in page -1.
 
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I secured T-bill at 4.4% COY for 8 Nov Auction. If I had not bid and let my OA compound with interest, at most I can bid for 6,150 instead of 6,000 units in subsequent Auctions. And if I keep waiting and hoping till COY to exceed 5% before I start bidding, I would be forgoing $763 extra interest per month. A bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush. What if 5% never comes or stays around 4.5%. I will be forgoing $4,851 extra interest by the time my bill mature on 13 Jun. Note I still get the interest up to Oct on the amount I used for T-bill in Nov and the accrued interest up Oct will be compounded on 1 Jan which I can use to bid for more units subsequently and may be at higher COY, like you hoping :D By Jun 2023, I will have more bullet for 23 Jun 2023 Auction with 6 months interest forgone.
Exactly. You explain very well. I also think and did/will do the same.😀
 

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I secured T-bill at 4.4% COY for 8 Nov Auction. If I had not bid and let my OA compound with interest, at most I can bid for 6,150 instead of 6,000 units in subsequent Auctions. And if I keep waiting and hoping till COY to exceed 5% before I start bidding, I would be forgoing $763 extra interest per month. A bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush. What if 5% never comes or stays around 4.5%. I will be forgoing $4,851 extra interest by the time my bill mature on 13 Jun. Note I still get the interest up to Oct on the amount I used for T-bill in Nov and the accrued interest up Oct will be compounded on 1 Jan which I can use to bid for more units subsequently and may be at higher COY, like you hoping :D By Jun 2023, I will have more bullet for 23 Jun 2023 Auction with 6 months interest forgone.
So in nett, how much extra you get minus those interest lost in CPF? Actually I am quite confuse with your explanation.
 

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So in nett, how much extra you get minus those interest lost in CPF? Actually I am quite confuse with your explanation.
I forgone OA interest of 7 months plus attributable compound interest thereon amounting to $8,533 excluding incidental charges. On maturity I get back $13,164 interest. Gain $4,631 for queueing 45 minutes or about $7xx each month.
 

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I forgone OA interest of 7 months plus attributable compound interest thereon amounting to $8,533 excluding incidental charges. On maturity I get back $13,164 interest. Gain $4,631 for queueing 45 minutes or about $7xx each month.
Not bad.
 

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I forgone OA interest of 7 months plus attributable compound interest thereon amounting to $8,533 excluding incidental charges. On maturity I get back $13,164 interest. Gain $4,631 for queueing 45 minutes or about $7xx each month.
You hit the 4.40% Tbills with $600K is like thio bey pio lor. Doesn't matter if later got 5% T bills because nobody knows have or not. Profit is not profit until it is taken.
 

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I don't have the wisdom to understand the zero % bidding justification.

Can you mathematically illustrate and prove this point against the cut of yield allocation rules.
If NC amount were not over 40% , the cut off yield is still be derived based on competitive bidding accumulative amount (100% amount,XT - NC amount (if <40% of XT)).

Please enlighten me if I get a wrong understanding described in page -1.
take whole tbill as 5k and max 2k allocated for non com
A bid NC
B bid 1%
C bid 2%
d bid 3%
e bid 4%
f bid 5%
g bid 6%
all bid 1000
coy is 4%
if you come in with 1k nc ,coy will be reduced to 3%. you nc bid has affected the yield

next eg
A bid NC
B bid NC
C bid 2%
d bid 3%
e bid 4%
f bid 5%
g bid 6%
all bid 1000
coy is 4%
if you come in with 1k nc, coy will stlll remain the same at 4%. A, B and you all get 667, partiial. your nc bid has not affected the yield

there is not maths, no rocket science. just logical thinking
 

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I forgone OA interest of 7 months plus attributable compound interest thereon amounting to $8,533 excluding incidental charges. On maturity I get back $13,164 interest. Gain $4,631 for queueing 45 minutes or about $7xx each month.

your CPF OA is 300k ?
 
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