RTX 4000 series thread... [No scalping discussion]

[Yongkit]

What's the RTSS issue? I'm using rtss overlay time to time in game and have had no issues to be honest.

Some reported fluctuation of fps and frame time.

 

[Phen8210]

Some reported fluctuation of fps and frame time.

yeah, nvidia card lower 1% lows across the board from article you linked



I guess AMD is the way to go for gaming. After so many years, we will likely see a huge trend shifting this year because it's becoming increasingly clear-cut.

 

[Yongkit]

yeah, nvidia card lower 1% lows across the board from article you linked

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I guess AMD is the way to go for gaming. After so many years, we will likely see a huge trend shifting this year because it's becoming increasingly clear-cut.

I believe many still have strong love on the Nvidia card as all the "DL"

Somehow this game without RT show the important of rasterization or it very much Nvidia not yet optimize.

I read the same happened in Dragon Dogma 2 too

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/dragons-dogma-2-benchmarks/

 

[xonix]

yeah, nvidia card lower 1% lows across the board from article you linked

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I guess AMD is the way to go for gaming. After so many years, we will likely see a huge trend shifting this year because it's becoming increasingly clear-cut.

Nice ! I hope more reviews include 1% lows like this in their charts

 

[matique]

yeah, nvidia card lower 1% lows across the board from article you linked

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I guess AMD is the way to go for gaming. After so many years, we will likely see a huge trend shifting this year because it's becoming increasingly clear-cut.

that's unfortunate, hopefully with some updates it should be brought up to speed. So far on my system at least, I don't see it.

Some reported fluctuation of fps and frame time.

Wonder if it's some system issue, me (4090) and brother (7900xtx) have no issues to be honest.

I believe many still have strong love on the Nvidia card as all the "DL"

Somehow this game without RT show the important of rasterization or it very much Nvidia not yet optimize.

I read the same happened in Dragon Dogma 2 too

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/dragons-dogma-2-benchmarks/

Some have love for Nvidia because it's the outright fastest competition is good though, hope AMD does push out a proper halo product that compete with the 5090, else the price gouging will continue.

 

[Koenig168]

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Some have love for Nvidia because it's the outright fastest competition is good though, hope AMD does push out a proper halo product that compete with the 5090, else the price gouging will continue.

Unfortunately, there won't be a halo product from AMD next gen.

 

[stanlawj]

hope AMD does push out a proper halo product that compete with the 5090, else the price gouging will continue.

I think you have not paid any attention to AMD's company strategy or roadmap.
They will strive to compete only in mid-range and lower.

And AMD does not want to lose out of big profits, and will likely attempt to match Nvidia's pricing as high as possible for their best RDNA4 GPU. AMD also needs profits to survive!

 

[matique]

Unfortunately, there won't be a halo product from AMD next gen.

I think you have not paid any attention to AMD's company strategy or roadmap.
They will strive to compete only in mid-range and lower.

And AMD does not want to lose out of big profits, and will likely attempt to match Nvidia's pricing as high as possible for their best RDNA4 GPU. AMD also needs profits to survive!

Ofcourse, all the companies need profit to survive. I guess AMD would just need to try to compete based on the value perspective. Nvidia for me again then lol. Easy decision.

I will do a logging session of the next time i play this game to check on my 1% lows and see the numbers against TPU. Would serve as a good basepoint anyway in case any game or driver updates in the future improves performance.

 

[Phen8210]

I believe many still have strong love on the Nvidia card as all the "DL"

Somehow this game without RT show the important of rasterization or it very much Nvidia not yet optimize.

I read the same happened in Dragon Dogma 2 too

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/dragons-dogma-2-benchmarks/

I find Nvidia start to slack on gaming optimization after their emphasis on AI .

The thing about Nvidia is that if you're going to buy Nvidia, you should go for the RTX 4090, or at least the 4080 Super.

The value proposition diminishes after the 4070 Super, yet the 4070 Super isn't a compelling choice because it only has 12GB of VRAM, which isn't ideal for 1440P gaming.

Going for AMD cards for gaming makes a lot of sense if CUDA isn't a requirement.

If considering image quality. Native + DLAA is usually superior to Native + TAA, so it's like winning some but also losing some because it would suck if you had to use upscaling on Nvidia due to the poorer value-to-raw performance ratio.

Overall, it seems that Nvidia is generously allowing AMD to gain traction in the gaming department.

 

[watzup_ken]

If it has path lighting it would have looked better to be honest, lots of areas imo that could have benefit. But yeah no doubt at stock, this game looks great.

I think it’s more about cost benefit here. Perhaps path lighting/ tracing can further improve image quality, but the cost is 50/60% performance lost. I will take the stock and run at a higher FPS anytime. I rather play a game with smooth frame rates over having picture perfect image quality.

 

[matique]

I think it’s more about cost benefit here. Perhaps path lighting/ tracing can further improve image quality, but the cost is 50/60% performance lost. I will take the stock and run at a higher FPS anytime. I rather play a game with smooth frame rates over having picture perfect image quality.

Luckily, RTX option is usually a ticked box! You can always not use it to not have the performance cost. I rather games have the option to have it, versus not having it.

With the current state of games, i wonder if it's not being "optimised" because devs are relying on upscaling. Then the argument comes about where devs can't optimise their game, can upscaling tech get any better? As of right now doing side to side comparison, dlss really does pull away from fsr. When in static position both are kinda similar, but it's in the motion where you can really see the smearing of FSR.

Ofcourse, having native + dlaa is the most ideal of situations but until GPUs can consistently hit 120++ at 4k natively, we'll have to rely on upscaling.

 

[Daty41]

RT is only really good with HDR, Ultra settings, decent frame rate on an OLED monitor to get that full impact, that y only the 4090 or 4080 really make sense....

RT for mid range cards dont make sense...same like using a 4070 on a 4k monitor and complain graphics sucks or 4k is not so fantastic, a 2k is more than enough.

 

[watzup_ken]

Luckily, RTX option is usually a ticked box! You can always not use it to not have the performance cost. I rather games have the option to have it, versus not having it.

With the current state of games, i wonder if it's not being "optimised" because devs are relying on upscaling. Then the argument comes about where devs can't optimise their game, can upscaling tech get any better? As of right now doing side to side comparison, dlss really does pull away from fsr. When in static position both are kinda similar, but it's in the motion where you can really see the smearing of FSR.

Ofcourse, having native + dlaa is the most ideal of situations but until GPUs can consistently hit 120++ at 4k natively, we'll have to rely on upscaling.

Agree that RT tends to be an option which you can switch off. But there are repercussions with switching RT off in a game that is very RT centric. I may be wrong, but if a game developer focusea on using RT for the game lighting, I generally think they will not put in a lot of artistic effort to create an as good as possible "fake lighting" effect. Take Control for example, if my memory serves me ok, with and without RT, some things like reflection is missing. Like I don't see the character in the glass reflection. Whereas in a game where there is no native RT support, I would think there will be more care to ensure that the image is as good as they can imagine it. I may be wrong, but that's my opinion and experience.

 

[matique]

Agree that RT tends to be an option which you can switch off. But there are repercussions with switching RT off in a game that is very RT centric. I may be wrong, but if a game developer focusea on using RT for the game lighting, I generally think they will not put in a lot of artistic effort to create an as good as possible "fake lighting" effect. Take Control for example, if my memory serves me ok, with and without RT, some things like reflection is missing. Like I don't see the character in the glass reflection. Whereas in a game where there is no native RT support, I would think there will be more care to ensure that the image is as good as they can imagine it. I may be wrong, but that's my opinion and experience.

Nah you are right, developers don't have the luxury to focus on everything, so it's often one sided.

RT is only really good with HDR, Ultra settings, decent frame rate on an OLED monitor to get that full impact, that y only the 4090 or 4080 really make sense....

RT for mid range cards dont make sense...same like using a 4070 on a 4k monitor and complain graphics sucks or 4k is not so fantastic, a 2k is more than enough.

You don't need ultra settings, usually very high is more than good enough. But agreed on the other points, RT with HDR on an oled with 120 fps and up is a surreal experience. Playing cyberpunk on my 4k oled 120hz tv with path lighting certainly converted a few friends to embrace high end pc gaming. Problem is, not many titles shine with the cutting edge tech tbh.

 

[kingsen]

Upgraded from 3700X+1070Ti to 5800X3D+4070Super Asus Tuf OC and install fresh copy of windows. My rig feels like gotten a new life for my 1440P 165Hz gaming.

 

[Yongkit]

Upgraded from 3700X+1070Ti to 5800X3D+4070Super Asus Tuf OC and install fresh copy of windows. My rig feels like gotten a new life for my 1440P 165Hz gaming.

Very significant upgrade

 

[hereiam7788]

can anyone comments on my specs?


i had shortlisted all the items that should look like a white coloured rig.
both cases i do not know if they come with built-in fans, it seems like H9 Flow comes with 4 fans but not RGB.
O11 Vision seems like no fans at all.

NZXT H9 Flow



LIANLI PC-O11 VISION WHITE

 

[Yongkit]

can anyone comments on my specs?


i had shortlisted all the items that should look like a white coloured rig.
both cases i do not know if they come with built-in fans, it seems like H9 Flow comes with 4 fans but not RGB.
O11 Vision seems like no fans at all.

NZXT H9 Flow



LIANLI PC-O11 VISION WHITE

If the build is on aesthetic purpose you will need to get more ARGB fan that would cost slightly more.

In the performance department the CPU does not need a z790 board to perform unless you have plan upgrading later, which seems to be unlikely since you have chosen a mid range cpu as start probably based on your daily usage purposes as simple as office suite and browsing other than game.

If you are target gaming at 1440p 144hz or 4K 60hz. The system should be alright.

 

[hereiam7788]

If the build is on aesthetic purpose you will need to get more ARGB fan that would cost slightly more.

In the performance department the CPU does not need a z790 board to perform unless you have plan upgrading later, which seems to be unlikely since you have chosen a mid range cpu as start probably based on your daily usage purposes as simple as office suite and browsing other than game.

If you are target gaming at 1440p 144hz or 4K 60hz. The system should be alright.

yes, i am choosing that motherboard becos it is white colour... ya correct.. actually the lian-li does not come with fans at all i need to budget in the ARGB fans... and i need a lot of them maybe 8... any recommendation that will match my current spec asthethic but again the price is not too ex... ?

but seems like i have another choice of ASUS ROG STRIX B760-A GAMING WIFI, Price: RM1199 to lower down the cost by a bit..

yes, i am using for 1080p gaming at 165hz currently. 2k maybe next time if have budget will buy another 2k monitor instead... i also did not choose the i7 procesor becos i do not do any video editing etc..
my usage like u said, office work, web browsing, video streaming + lastly gaming only.

 

[Yongkit]

yes, i am choosing that motherboard becos it is white colour... ya correct.. actually the lian-li does not come with fans at all i need to budget in the ARGB fans... and i need a lot of them maybe 8... any recommendation that will match my current spec asthethic but again the price is not too ex... ?

but seems like i have another choice of ASUS ROG STRIX B760-A GAMING WIFI, Price: RM1199 to lower down the cost by a bit..

yes, i am using for 1080p gaming at 165hz currently. 2k maybe next time if have budget will buy another 2k monitor instead... i also did not choose the i7 procesor becos i do not do any video editing etc..
my usage like u said, office work, web browsing, video streaming + lastly gaming only.

I think if you can choose the B760 then the saving can go to ARGB fans.

I unable to recommend ARGB fans as I normally target non-ARGB performance fans for long terms basis.

price seems reasonable for aesthetic white build.