Air conditioning - Any recommendations please?? - Part 2

ZacharyA

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. Since you are hosting and you need the cooling power. Else not much use, if it takes 1hr plus to cool the whole place down. Best is to take 18k for living and 18k dining. 4H33. X2 units One set for the living and master with compressor at the balcony and one Set for the dining and 2 bedrooms, compressor outside bedroom3. This way you also keep the pipe runs short. But not sure if HDB allows for some length of pipe runs outside bedroom3 to the dining area.

I think you got the two merged areas confused, the master BR (2nd floor) and dining area (merged - 1st floor) will be 1 set of AC system, and he will change his living area to the current dining + study (merged - 1st floor) and it will share the same set of AC system with the 2nd floor common rooms.
 

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Powering two 18k units with one 4H compressor 🤔
I don’t think your guests will enjoy much hospitality unless your aim is to drive them home 😂
 

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I think you got the two merged areas confused, the master BR (2nd floor) and dining area (merged - 1st floor) will be 1 set of AC system, and he will change his living area to the current dining + study (merged - 1st floor) and it will share the same set of AC system with the 2nd floor common rooms.
To make it simple front part of house one 4H33 and back part one 4H33. I don’t advocate splitting by floor.
 

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Got a proposal from Newway

The dude suggested the same, to split the "front" and "rear" of the house.

Priority cooling to areas hosting which will be downstairs.

The system 4 below proposed to cool the bedrooms and living\study space.

The system 2 is solely for the combined dining\balcony\open kitchen

All these Pending site survey.

thoughts?

MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC STARMEX (R32) SERIES (System 4)
(MXY-4H33VG / MSXY-FP24VG + MSXY-FP13VG + MSXY-FP10VG X 2)


MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC STARMEX (R32) SERIES (System 2)
(MXY-4H33VG / MSXY-FP24VG + MSXY-FP13VG)

The Standard Installation comes with new Copper Refrigerant Pipes (Upgraded SWG21), K-Flex Insulation (Upgraded Class O - 1/2") (Optional Upgrade TITAN - $40 / FCU), Control Cables (Keystone 3C40/70), PVC Drainage Pipes (Upgraded 16mm) and Trunkings.
 

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Got a proposal from Newway

The dude suggested the same, to split the "front" and "rear" of the house.

Priority cooling to areas hosting which will be downstairs.

The system 4 below proposed to cool the bedrooms and living\study space.

The system 2 is solely for the combined dining\balcony\open kitchen

All these Pending site survey.

thoughts?

MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC STARMEX (R32) SERIES (System 4)
(MXY-4H33VG / MSXY-FP24VG + MSXY-FP13VG + MSXY-FP10VG X 2)


MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC STARMEX (R32) SERIES (System 2)
(MXY-4H33VG / MSXY-FP24VG + MSXY-FP13VG)

The Standard Installation comes with new Copper Refrigerant Pipes (Upgraded SWG21), K-Flex Insulation (Upgraded Class O - 1/2") (Optional Upgrade TITAN - $40 / FCU), Control Cables (Keystone 3C40/70), PVC Drainage Pipes (Upgraded 16mm) and Trunkings.

sorry , you didn’t concern about 2nd floor aircon setup for bedroom?

the 1st floor is ok, but for 24k if turn on single unit, dining and study room very less cooling.

for old flat maximum to allow 2 condensers unit only, more than 3 is illegal I think

you can option for 24k btu single unit place on living and balcony area.
Dining and study room using ceiling fan.
 

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Got a proposal from Newway

The dude suggested the same, to split the "front" and "rear" of the house.

Priority cooling to areas hosting which will be downstairs.

The system 4 below proposed to cool the bedrooms and living\study space.

The system 2 is solely for the combined dining\balcony\open kitchen

All these Pending site survey.

thoughts?

MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC STARMEX (R32) SERIES (System 4)
(MXY-4H33VG / MSXY-FP24VG + MSXY-FP13VG + MSXY-FP10VG X 2)


MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC STARMEX (R32) SERIES (System 2)
(MXY-4H33VG / MSXY-FP24VG + MSXY-FP13VG)

The Standard Installation comes with new Copper Refrigerant Pipes (Upgraded SWG21), K-Flex Insulation (Upgraded Class O - 1/2") (Optional Upgrade TITAN - $40 / FCU), Control Cables (Keystone 3C40/70), PVC Drainage Pipes (Upgraded 16mm) and Trunkings.

TLDR is that you want to prioritise cooling in lower communal level, as opposed to upper sleeping area. So naturally you will need 2 engines (compressors) to run concurrently for lower level to be optimal and achieve your objectives.

Hence, @mark lim suggested to split by sections of the house, top and bottom level share 1 configuration set up so you don't need to run exclusively just on 1 system for lower but 2 as this will even out the load.

If you split the cooling by levels, then upper floor is very straight forward since it's just 3 common rooms - standard 9/9/9 or 9/9/13 configuration. But lower floor will be challenging to keep it cool with just 1 system because of additional space like the Balcony area (essentially 4 common room spaces if you mirror down bedroom 2 and 3).


MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC STARMEX (R32) SERIES (System 4)
(MXY-4H33VG / MSXY-FP24VG + MSXY-FP13VG + MSXY-FP10VG X 2)

So you gonna use the 24k unit at the lower right (living + study space) and remaining 13/10/10 for upper bedrooms.

You can do that, and only run concurrently 24k + 1 other unit in the bedrooms for it to be cooling, else power will be throttled.

Then lower left (massive dining area), you are going to run a system 2 - 24+13?

MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC STARMEX (R32) SERIES (System 2)
(MXY-4H33VG / MSXY-FP24VG + MSXY-FP13VG)

Haven't done a math on this yet but essentially you can have a system 1 24k as well. Your purpose of having 2 FCU is because you want to place strategically at 2 parts of the dining area?

Just bear in mind that if you have system 1, all power goes to that FCU. If you have 2 units, like 24+13, then there might be a possibility that the power will be throttled between these two units depending on your compressor specs and electrical load rating (current limit).
 

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sorry , you didn’t concern about 2nd floor aircon setup for bedroom?

the 1st floor is ok, but for 24k if turn on single unit, dining and study room very less cooling.

for old flat maximum to allow 2 condensers unit only, more than 3 is illegal I think

you can option for 24k btu single unit place on living and balcony area.
Dining and study room using ceiling fan.

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Sorry if i wasnt clear. edited the floorplan to make it clearer and breakdown further what was shared with me.

For Level 1 Living\Study & 3 Bedrooms on L2 : Caveat will be only 3 FCU on at any time otherwise not optimal cooling

MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC STARMEX (R32) SERIES (System 4)
MXY-4H33VG : Condenser
MSXY-FP24VG : L1 Living \ Study
MSXY-FP13VG : L2 MBR
MSXY-FP10VG X 2 : L2 Bedroom 2 & 3


For L1 Combined Balcony\Dining\Kitchen:

MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC STARMEX (R32) SERIES (System 2)
MXY-4H33VG : Condenser
MSXY-FP24VG : + MSXY-FP13VG)
 

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TLDR is that you want to prioritise cooling in lower communal level, as opposed to upper sleeping area. So naturally you will need 2 engines (compressors) to run concurrently for lower level to be optimal and achieve your objectives.

Hence, @mark lim suggested to split by sections of the house, top and bottom level share 1 configuration set up so you don't need to run exclusively just on 1 system for lower but 2 as this will even out the load.

If you split the cooling by levels, then upper floor is very straight forward since it's just 3 common rooms - standard 9/9/9 or 9/9/13 configuration. But lower floor will be challenging to keep it cool with just 1 system because of additional space like the Balcony area (essentially 4 common room spaces if you mirror down bedroom 2 and 3).


MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC STARMEX (R32) SERIES (System 4)
(MXY-4H33VG / MSXY-FP24VG + MSXY-FP13VG + MSXY-FP10VG X 2)

So you gonna use the 24k unit at the lower right (living + study space) and remaining 13/10/10 for upper bedrooms.

You can do that, and only run concurrently 24k + 1 other unit in the bedrooms for it to be cooling, else power will be throttled.

Then lower left (massive dining area), you are going to run a system 2 - 24+13?

MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC STARMEX (R32) SERIES (System 2)
(MXY-4H33VG / MSXY-FP24VG + MSXY-FP13VG)

Haven't done a math on this yet but essentially you can have a system 1 24k as well. Your purpose of having 2 FCU is because you want to place strategically at 2 parts of the dining area?

Just bear in mind that if you have system 1, all power goes to that FCU. If you have 2 units, like 24+13, then there might be a possibility that the power will be throttled between these two units depending on your compressor specs and electrical load rating (current limit).
i think what was proposed to me is in line with what was proposed to me.

checkout my reply above, i tried to simplify it and make it clearer. sorry if i caused any confusion
 

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Sorry if i wasnt clear. edited the floorplan to make it clearer and breakdown further what was shared with me.

For Level 1 Living\Study & 3 Bedrooms on L2 : Caveat will be only 3 FCU on at any time otherwise not optimal cooling

MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC STARMEX (R32) SERIES (System 4)
MXY-4H33VG : Condenser
MSXY-FP24VG : L1 Living \ Study
MSXY-FP13VG : L2 MBR
MSXY-FP10VG X 2 : L2 Bedroom 2 & 3


For L1 Combined Balcony\Dining\Kitchen:

MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC STARMEX (R32) SERIES (System 2)
MXY-4H33VG : Condenser
MSXY-FP24VG : + MSXY-FP13VG)

Wow, you going to do an open concept kitchen? That's like 5 common room worth of space already with the additional kitchen area, notwithstanding the exposed area in the stairs leading up to 2nd floor.

Have you considered the commercial cassette aircon (like what some landed do) for your lower floor and a standard sys 3 for your upper bedrooms?
 

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Sorry if i wasnt clear. edited the floorplan to make it clearer and breakdown further what was shared with me.

For Level 1 Living\Study & 3 Bedrooms on L2 : Caveat will be only 3 FCU on at any time otherwise not optimal cooling

MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC STARMEX (R32) SERIES (System 4)
MXY-4H33VG : Condenser
MSXY-FP24VG : L1 Living \ Study
MSXY-FP13VG : L2 MBR
MSXY-FP10VG X 2 : L2 Bedroom 2 & 3


For L1 Combined Balcony\Dining\Kitchen:

MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC STARMEX (R32) SERIES (System 2)
MXY-4H33VG : Condenser
MSXY-FP24VG : + MSXY-FP13VG)

Now very clear.
Good idea 👍
 

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Wow, you going to do an open concept kitchen? That's like 5 common room worth of space already with the additional kitchen area, notwithstanding the exposed area in the stairs leading up to 2nd floor.

Have you considered the commercial cassette aircon (like what some landed do) for your lower floor and a standard sys 3 for your upper bedrooms?
don't have the ceiling height to do it
 
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