10G Capable router with SFP+ WAN or WAN/LAN port, Switch and VQ XGS-PON ONU Stick

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this look like a switch leh, what about router?


You mean u run DAC SPF+ direcly to your PC already ?
Router just recycle my ax86u for now. At least until the be equivalent comes out and is supported by Merlin.

Intending to just sub 3gbps so not really caring about bottlenecking.
 

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Gonna use my industrial qnap switch as a glorified media converter with the Sfp+ module. :s13: Btw just got the keys to my new BTO and noticed the tp has 4 ports now not 2 like the older ones.

This is interesting.

Fibre TP with 4 ports -- allow 4 x 10G Load Balance to get 40Gbps (or 32Gbps) for those who want that. :LOL:
 

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This is interesting.

Fibre TP with 4 ports -- allow 4 x 10G Load Balance to get 40Gbps (or 32Gbps) for those who want that. :LOL:
Yeah I think IMDA finally moving on from the old single Opco many RSP model to a multi Opco one, after more than a decade. Gone are the old days where you only have two ports of which only one can be activated as they didn't even pull a line for the other port.

That said I'm going for 5G as my failover rather than another fibre ISP, to mitigate against cable cut accidents since my setup hardly ever uses the secondary line unless main goes down. Have an underutilized unlimited 5g sim from M1 that I am already paying $22 a month for. Getting a Netgear 6550 for that along with the external antenna to wire in to my Ax86u as secondary WAN.
 
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Not so sure, maybe you have to DIY. Or you check if the following mini PCs are suitable for you or not. Usually they have two or four SFP+ ports, you can use one port to add a SFP+ copper module for your need, or add a switch after the mini PC.

Reference: Post #5 (N305 or C3758R CPU or faster CPUs)
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...p-wan-or-wan-lan-port.7047645/#post-153088791
 
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VQ is now providing the option to use an XGS-PON ONU stick (no need an ONT/ONR) for their XGS-PON based 3Gbps/5Gbps/10Gbps plan.
Best news ever, and the plans are lower price than the other ISPs with 1Gbps, 1+1Gbps and 2.5Gbps. Dunno why anyone would choose the competitors anymore

No more spending and trial and error on gpon sticks that may not work.

Not so sure if any other ISPs will follow (unlikely).

Their loss hahaha
 

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Not so sure, maybe you have to DIY. Or you check if the following mini PC is suitable for you or not. Usually they have two or four SFP+ ports, you can use one port to add a SFP+ copper module for your need, or add a switch after the mini PC.

Reference: Post #5 (N305 or C3758R CPU or faster CPUs)
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...p-wan-or-wan-lan-port.7047645/#post-153088791
Thanks for sharing this, the current 10g switch is all ethernet dont have sfp+ :( maybe still need sfp to ethernet le
 

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Thanks for sharing this, the current 10g switch is all ethernet dont have sfp+ :( maybe still need sfp to ethernet le

Hmm, there are many switches either with pure 10GBASE-T or purely SFP+ ports. But there are still switches with mixed 10GBASE-T and SFP+ ports -- price is on the high side.

I think using SFP+ copper module is not too bad. Please refer to the following thread. 10Gtek SFP+ copper modules are not expensive (10Gtek SFP+ optic modules are dirt cheap).
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/10gbase-t-module-ubiquiti-vs-10gtek-simple-test.7036627/

STH 10G switch buying guide.
https://www.servethehome.com/the-ul...ers-guide-netgear-ubiquiti-qnap-mikrotik-qct/

Examples with mixed ports:
MikroTik CRS312-4C+8XG-RM
4x SFP+/10Gbase-T Combo, 8x 10Gbase-T
Managed
No PoE
26W Idle, 60W Max
$500 when tested
 
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Hmm, there are many switches either with pure 10GBASE-T or purely SFP+ ports. But there are still switches with mixed 10GBASE-T and SFP+ ports.

STH 10G switch buying guide.
https://www.servethehome.com/the-ul...ers-guide-netgear-ubiquiti-qnap-mikrotik-qct/

Cheaper ones from the above guide.
Take note pricing of STH article for China made models may be on the high side and you may be able to get cheaper pricing from Taobao.
 

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I am more looking at 5Gbps internet as of now.

1. Planned Future setup with 5Gbps internet
Singtel XGS-PON ONR bridged or Starhub XGS-PON ONT (5Gbps Fibre internet) 10G LAN port -- Miniroute R1 SFP+ port with 10Gbe copper module (WAN port)
Miniroute R1 N100 version SFP+ LAN port -- DAC cable -- 2.5G Switch SFP+ uplink
2.5G switch SFP+ port with 10Gbe copper module -- Windows laptop or Mac Mini M1 with with USB4/TB4 to 10G NIC
2.5G switch 2.5Gbe LAN ports -- CWWK N100 mini PC with dual 2.5G LAN ports
2.5G switch 2.5Gbe LAN ports -- 2.5G AP (Asus TUF-6500 or RT-AX86U or other APs)

2. 2.5G switch with dual SFP+ uplink example

I bought the S600W-4GT-2SX-S model with 4 x 2.5G ports and two SFP+ 10G uplink, RMB 209 plus GST and shipment.

S600W-5GT-1SX-S model with 5 x 2.5G ports and one SFP+ 10G uplink is at the same price.

Hasivo S1100W-8GT-1SX-S, 8 x 2.5G ports and one SFP+ 10G uplink, RMB 283.22 plus GST and shipment.

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=793617844986&ft=t&skuId=5416678228751
【淘宝】https://m.tb.cn/h.gRtMX7jobHzOvpB?tk=0UfI3cYqTiC HU0025 「海思视讯迷你型2.5G网管交换机路由器分流器网络分配集线器分线器」
点击链接直接打开 或者 淘宝搜索直接打开

O1CN01moWjpG1ypg4yai7EB_!!1774426628.jpg


3. STH 2.5G switch buyer's guide
https://www.servethehome.com/the-ul...gear-hasivo-mokerlink-trendnet-zyxel-tp-link/
https://www.servethehome.com/mega-2-5gbe-switch-guide-update-with-21-new-models-added/
 
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TP-Link China models (for those who do not trust less well-known China brands).

1) 10GBASE-T RJ45 version.
https://www.tp-link.com.cn/product_cattag_2110_69_503_506_507_03_04_05_06.html
a) TL-ST5008 managed switch, 8 ports 10Gbase-T
b) TL-ST2005 and TL-ST2008 ST-2008 cloud managed switch, 5/8 ports 10Gbase-T
c) TL-ST1005 and TL-ST1008 unmanaged switch, 5/8 ports 10Gbase-T

Rough price from Taobao/Tmall.
TL-ST1005 -- RMB 1127
TL-ST1008 -- RMB 1500
TL-ST2005 -- RMB 1500
TL-ST2008 -- RMB 1927
TL-ST5008 -- RMB 2800

2) SFP+ version
https://www.tp-link.com.cn/product_cattag_2110_69_503_505_906_03_04_05_06.html

TL-ST1008F unmanaged switch, 8 ports SFP+
TL-ST5008F managed switch, 8 ports SFP+

Rough price from Taobao/Tmall.
TL-ST1008F -- RMB 669
TL-ST5008F -- RMB 1673
 

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Hmm, there are many switches either with pure 10GBASE-T or purely SFP+ ports. But there are still switches with mixed 10GBASE-T and SFP+ ports -- price is on the high side.

I think using SFP+ copper module is not too bad. Please refer to the following thread. 10Gtek SFP+ copper modules are not expensive (10Gtek SFP+ optic modules are dirt cheap).
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/10gbase-t-module-ubiquiti-vs-10gtek-simple-test.7036627/

STH 10G switch buying guide.
https://www.servethehome.com/the-ul...ers-guide-netgear-ubiquiti-qnap-mikrotik-qct/

Examples with mixed ports:
MikroTik CRS312-4C+8XG-RM
4x SFP+/10Gbase-T Combo, 8x 10Gbase-T
Managed
No PoE
26W Idle, 60W Max
$500 when tested
this MikroTik CRS312-4C+8XG-RM is really nice, but 1.2k
 

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this MikroTik CRS312-4C+8XG-RM is really nice, but 1.2k

How many 10G LAN ports you want? If only one or two can look to cheap switches with SFP+ ports and use 10GBase-T transceivers. For this use case generally 1x10GBase-T transceiver per bay (ie. separated by 4 or 6 ports) to keep the heat down in the switch. Alternatively, can use 10G SFP+ to RJ45 Media Converter to keep the heat out of the switch

If you need some cheap 8/12 ports 10G SFP+ switches look here

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...d-usb4-tb4-devices-for-10g-use.7011800/page-2
 
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More about thie Miniroute R1 N100/N305, one of the cheapest Mini PC to equipe with two SFP+ ports. N100 version is probably more suitable for 5Gbps plan and below. N305 version should be good for 10Gbps plan.

I got the N100 version of Miniroute N100 from Taobao (8GB/256GB version). I asked the vendor not to install any OS and I installed Ubuntu 24.04 on the machine. I also installed an Intel BE200 WiFi 7 adapter.

iperf3 test results:
iperf3 server -- Minirouter R1 N100 with an SFP+ 10G copper module
iperf3 client -- Acer Swift Go 14 OLED 2024 (Intel Core Ultra 125H, 16GB/1TB) with IOcrest USB4 to 10G adapter.

It can more or less can sustain 10Gbps.

Download: 9.33Gbps average
Upload: 9.47Gbps average
Bash:
PS C:\work\speedtest\iperf-3.17.1-win64> .\iperf3.exe -c 192.168.7.4 -R -P4
Connecting to host 192.168.7.4, port 5201
Reverse mode, remote host 192.168.7.4 is sending
[  5] local 192.168.7.5 port 54594 connected to 192.168.7.4 port 5201
[  7] local 192.168.7.5 port 54595 connected to 192.168.7.4 port 5201
[  9] local 192.168.7.5 port 54596 connected to 192.168.7.4 port 5201
[ 11] local 192.168.7.5 port 54597 connected to 192.168.7.4 port 5201
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bitrate
[  5]   0.00-1.01   sec   218 MBytes  1.80 Gbits/sec
[  7]   0.00-1.01   sec   220 MBytes  1.82 Gbits/sec
[  9]   0.00-1.01   sec   369 MBytes  3.05 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   0.00-1.01   sec   335 MBytes  2.77 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   0.00-1.01   sec  1.11 GBytes  9.45 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   1.01-2.01   sec   268 MBytes  2.26 Gbits/sec
[  7]   1.01-2.01   sec   266 MBytes  2.24 Gbits/sec
[  9]   1.01-2.01   sec   304 MBytes  2.56 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   1.01-2.01   sec   266 MBytes  2.24 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   1.01-2.01   sec  1.08 GBytes  9.29 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   2.01-3.01   sec   256 MBytes  2.15 Gbits/sec
[  7]   2.01-3.01   sec   257 MBytes  2.15 Gbits/sec
[  9]   2.01-3.01   sec   327 MBytes  2.74 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   2.01-3.01   sec   260 MBytes  2.17 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   2.01-3.01   sec  1.07 GBytes  9.21 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   3.01-4.00   sec   252 MBytes  2.13 Gbits/sec
[  7]   3.01-4.00   sec   267 MBytes  2.26 Gbits/sec
[  9]   3.01-4.00   sec   325 MBytes  2.75 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   3.01-4.00   sec   262 MBytes  2.21 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   3.01-4.00   sec  1.08 GBytes  9.34 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   4.00-5.01   sec   254 MBytes  2.11 Gbits/sec
[  7]   4.00-5.01   sec   257 MBytes  2.13 Gbits/sec
[  9]   4.00-5.01   sec   345 MBytes  2.87 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   4.00-5.01   sec   281 MBytes  2.33 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   4.00-5.01   sec  1.11 GBytes  9.44 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   5.01-6.02   sec   264 MBytes  2.21 Gbits/sec
[  7]   5.01-6.02   sec   262 MBytes  2.20 Gbits/sec
[  9]   5.01-6.02   sec   303 MBytes  2.54 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   5.01-6.02   sec   282 MBytes  2.36 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   5.01-6.02   sec  1.08 GBytes  9.31 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   6.02-7.01   sec   276 MBytes  2.32 Gbits/sec
[  7]   6.02-7.01   sec   254 MBytes  2.14 Gbits/sec
[  9]   6.02-7.01   sec   293 MBytes  2.46 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   6.02-7.01   sec   280 MBytes  2.35 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   6.02-7.01   sec  1.08 GBytes  9.28 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   7.01-8.01   sec   243 MBytes  2.04 Gbits/sec
[  7]   7.01-8.01   sec   289 MBytes  2.43 Gbits/sec
[  9]   7.01-8.01   sec   318 MBytes  2.67 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   7.01-8.01   sec   244 MBytes  2.05 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   7.01-8.01   sec  1.07 GBytes  9.19 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   8.01-9.01   sec   148 MBytes  1.25 Gbits/sec
[  7]   8.01-9.01   sec   356 MBytes  2.99 Gbits/sec
[  9]   8.01-9.01   sec   344 MBytes  2.89 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   8.01-9.01   sec   280 MBytes  2.36 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   8.01-9.01   sec  1.10 GBytes  9.48 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   9.01-10.01  sec   193 MBytes  1.61 Gbits/sec
[  7]   9.01-10.01  sec   344 MBytes  2.88 Gbits/sec
[  9]   9.01-10.01  sec   331 MBytes  2.77 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   9.01-10.01  sec   239 MBytes  2.00 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   9.01-10.01  sec  1.08 GBytes  9.27 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bitrate         Retr
[  5]   0.00-10.01  sec  2.32 GBytes  1.99 Gbits/sec    0             sender
[  5]   0.00-10.01  sec  2.32 GBytes  1.99 Gbits/sec                  receiver
[  7]   0.00-10.01  sec  2.71 GBytes  2.33 Gbits/sec    0             sender
[  7]   0.00-10.01  sec  2.71 GBytes  2.32 Gbits/sec                  receiver
[  9]   0.00-10.01  sec  3.19 GBytes  2.73 Gbits/sec    0             sender
[  9]   0.00-10.01  sec  3.18 GBytes  2.73 Gbits/sec                  receiver
[ 11]   0.00-10.01  sec  2.67 GBytes  2.29 Gbits/sec    0             sender
[ 11]   0.00-10.01  sec  2.66 GBytes  2.29 Gbits/sec                  receiver
[SUM]   0.00-10.01  sec  10.9 GBytes  9.33 Gbits/sec    0             sender
[SUM]   0.00-10.01  sec  10.9 GBytes  9.33 Gbits/sec                  receiver

iperf Done.

PS C:\work\speedtest\iperf-3.17.1-win64> .\iperf3.exe -c 192.168.7.4 -P4
Connecting to host 192.168.7.4, port 5201
[  5] local 192.168.7.5 port 54625 connected to 192.168.7.4 port 5201
[  7] local 192.168.7.5 port 54626 connected to 192.168.7.4 port 5201
[  9] local 192.168.7.5 port 54627 connected to 192.168.7.4 port 5201
[ 11] local 192.168.7.5 port 54628 connected to 192.168.7.4 port 5201
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bitrate
[  5]   0.00-1.00   sec   336 MBytes  2.81 Gbits/sec
[  7]   0.00-1.00   sec   120 MBytes  1.01 Gbits/sec
[  9]   0.00-1.00   sec   412 MBytes  3.45 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   0.00-1.00   sec   254 MBytes  2.13 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   0.00-1.00   sec  1.10 GBytes  9.39 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   1.00-2.00   sec   322 MBytes  2.71 Gbits/sec
[  7]   1.00-2.00   sec   175 MBytes  1.47 Gbits/sec
[  9]   1.00-2.00   sec   385 MBytes  3.24 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   1.00-2.00   sec   246 MBytes  2.07 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   1.00-2.00   sec  1.10 GBytes  9.48 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   2.00-3.00   sec   271 MBytes  2.27 Gbits/sec
[  7]   2.00-3.00   sec   230 MBytes  1.92 Gbits/sec
[  9]   2.00-3.00   sec   336 MBytes  2.82 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   2.00-3.00   sec   295 MBytes  2.47 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   2.00-3.00   sec  1.11 GBytes  9.47 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   3.00-4.01   sec   311 MBytes  2.58 Gbits/sec
[  7]   3.00-4.01   sec   218 MBytes  1.81 Gbits/sec
[  9]   3.00-4.01   sec   289 MBytes  2.40 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   3.00-4.01   sec   325 MBytes  2.70 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   3.00-4.01   sec  1.12 GBytes  9.49 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   4.01-5.01   sec   355 MBytes  2.97 Gbits/sec
[  7]   4.01-5.01   sec   237 MBytes  1.98 Gbits/sec
[  9]   4.01-5.01   sec   243 MBytes  2.03 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   4.01-5.01   sec   298 MBytes  2.50 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   4.01-5.01   sec  1.11 GBytes  9.48 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   5.01-6.02   sec   340 MBytes  2.85 Gbits/sec
[  7]   5.01-6.02   sec   255 MBytes  2.14 Gbits/sec
[  9]   5.01-6.02   sec   260 MBytes  2.18 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   5.01-6.02   sec   272 MBytes  2.28 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   5.01-6.02   sec  1.10 GBytes  9.44 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   6.02-7.00   sec   226 MBytes  1.92 Gbits/sec
[  7]   6.02-7.00   sec   352 MBytes  2.99 Gbits/sec
[  9]   6.02-7.00   sec   205 MBytes  1.74 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   6.02-7.00   sec   333 MBytes  2.83 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   6.02-7.00   sec  1.09 GBytes  9.49 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   7.00-8.00   sec   186 MBytes  1.56 Gbits/sec
[  7]   7.00-8.00   sec   343 MBytes  2.88 Gbits/sec
[  9]   7.00-8.00   sec   240 MBytes  2.01 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   7.00-8.00   sec   362 MBytes  3.04 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   7.00-8.00   sec  1.10 GBytes  9.49 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   8.00-9.00   sec   239 MBytes  2.01 Gbits/sec
[  7]   8.00-9.00   sec   404 MBytes  3.39 Gbits/sec
[  9]   8.00-9.00   sec   189 MBytes  1.58 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   8.00-9.00   sec   300 MBytes  2.52 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   8.00-9.00   sec  1.10 GBytes  9.49 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   9.00-10.03  sec   273 MBytes  2.24 Gbits/sec
[  7]   9.00-10.03  sec   378 MBytes  3.10 Gbits/sec
[  9]   9.00-10.03  sec   226 MBytes  1.85 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   9.00-10.03  sec   276 MBytes  2.26 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   9.00-10.03  sec  1.13 GBytes  9.44 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bitrate
[  5]   0.00-10.03  sec  2.79 GBytes  2.39 Gbits/sec                  sender
[  5]   0.00-10.03  sec  2.79 GBytes  2.39 Gbits/sec                  receiver
[  7]   0.00-10.03  sec  2.65 GBytes  2.27 Gbits/sec                  sender
[  7]   0.00-10.03  sec  2.65 GBytes  2.27 Gbits/sec                  receiver
[  9]   0.00-10.03  sec  2.72 GBytes  2.33 Gbits/sec                  sender
[  9]   0.00-10.03  sec  2.72 GBytes  2.33 Gbits/sec                  receiver
[ 11]   0.00-10.03  sec  2.89 GBytes  2.48 Gbits/sec                  sender
[ 11]   0.00-10.03  sec  2.89 GBytes  2.48 Gbits/sec                  receiver
[SUM]   0.00-10.03  sec  11.1 GBytes  9.47 Gbits/sec                  sender
[SUM]   0.00-10.03  sec  11.0 GBytes  9.46 Gbits/sec                  receiver

iperf Done.
 
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