Post 10Gbps internet -- 25Gbps or higher

[Fellowes]

According to this map Singapore is at 22.89% IPv6 capable and 17.63% IPv6 preferred. The world as a whole is at 38.41% and 37.05% respectively. Asia is at 44.95% and 43.04% respectively. When averaging these two percentages Singapore is slightly behind Pakistan as another point of reference.

I wouldn't mind using Hurricane Electric (IPv6 tunnel), but the streaming services such as Netflix get upset if I turn that on. (Yes, there are awkward workarounds.)

I am surprise:

MY

Malaysia, South-Eastern Asia, Asia

72.16%

69.59%

7,708,618

 

[xiaofan]

China set to lead early years of 50G PON
https://www.lightreading.com/fttx/china-set-to-lead-early-years-of-50g-pon

Nokia's just-announced 50G PON trial with Google Fiber is a sign the industry is finally moving along to next-gen optical, but it's going to be a slow journey.

For what it's worth – and the numbers suggest it's not worth much – Omdia estimates China will be the sole commercial market for 50G PON kit in 2024 and 2025. For the four years to the end of 2027, China will account for 93% of the global market – amounting to a modest $1.55 billion.

Jaimie Lenderman, principal analyst at Omdia, says the market is seeing initial rollouts of 50G PON this year on a small scale. She forecasts adoption in other Asian markets late in the decade, followed by Western Europe and parts of the Middle East.

 

[xiaofan]

So the industrial observer is saying that Asian countries like Singapore may adopt 50G PON technology before 2030. Let's see how it goes.

 

[Henry Ng]

So the industrial observer is saying that Asian countries like Singapore may adopt 50G PON technology before 2030. Let's see how it goes.

I do not think home users will sign as it will be very expensive. No real internet world benefit except speed test.

 

[zhongfu]

I do not think home users will sign as it will be very expensive. No real internet world benefit except speed test.

i'm sure i've heard variants of this sentence too back when gigabit broadband was $100+/mo

 

[sglandscape]

i'm sure i've heard variants of this sentence too back when gigabit broadband was $100+/mo

you would end up to be correct that, some group of people would not mind paying more for it, just so can download faster.

500Mbps vs 1Gbps not much difference yet people sign for 1Gbps.

Last time 100Mbps vs 200Mbps, people also tend to go with 200Mbps, cause 300Mbps too ex. The cost of around 30-50 bucks is the sweet spot, and people would gladly sign up for it.

 

[sglandscape]

So the industrial observer is saying that Asian countries like Singapore may adopt 50G PON technology before 2030. Let's see how it goes.

Would be very glad if it is true, this would also "pressure" the DC and providers to upgrade their backbone to 100G minimally (vs the 10G/25G which is more common place today, depending in when was their last refresh).

 

[Henry Ng]

i'm sure i've heard variants of this sentence too back when gigabit broadband was $100+/mo

True but 10Gbps is fast enough, do not think any website will be that high end and allow user to download a single file at 50Gbps. If only just some willing to pay then finish la. How to launch a service when 95% of users are not willing to pay? Now many sign up 10G because SH offer football channels etc and lower their price. If $186 (ONR) and never bundle with lots of TV contents then no one sign.

 

[flyingcookies]

True but 10Gbps is fast enough, do not think any website will be that high end and allow user to download a single file at 50Gbps. If only just some willing to pay then finish la. How to launch a service when 95% of users are not willing to pay? Now many sign up 10G because SH offer football channels etc and lower their price. If $186 (ONR) and never bundle with lots of TV contents then no one sign.

Not true. SingTel still launched the xg-pon service for consumers in 2016 which shows that they are willing to offer niche service at high price.
But if you want to believe that we will never progress beyond 10G then you are entitled to that opinion.

 

[flyingcookies]

In fact I think it might be cheaper to use 25G-pon with higher split ratio and provision for 10G service, since optics are typically much cheaper per gigabit the faster you go.

 

[Henry Ng]

Not true. SingTel still launched the xg-pon service for consumers in 2016 which shows that they are willing to offer niche service at high price.
But if you want to believe that we will never progress beyond 10G then you are entitled to that opinion.

If you look at SH, that time $186 with no TV, then they have homehub+ ultra speed at $88.77. Then many sign up. We can have 25G and 50G but i am quite sure very few people will sign unless less than $100/mth because we are very price sensitive.

 

[Henry Ng]

In fact I think it might be cheaper to use 25G-pon with higher split ratio and provision for 10G service, since optics are typically much cheaper per gigabit the faster you go.

It will not make sense to have higher split ratio as IMDA has a limit on the split ratio and if increase split ratio still must change the equipment at the void desk equipment room. Actually do not need to increase split ratio also can provision the line for 10G only. They can use 50G PON too.

 

[zhongfu]

Would be very glad if it is true, this would also "pressure" the DC and providers to upgrade their backbone to 100G minimally (vs the 10G/25G which is more common place today, depending in when was their last refresh).

100G equipment is already quite cheap and reasonably commonplace, so no real worries there imo

10G/40G is probably a bit more common for old equipment since those are typically 11.2Gbps per lane; 25G/100G is typically 28Gbps per lane these days, it's a bit newer than SFP+/QSFP+

 

[Henry Ng]

100G equipment is already quite cheap and reasonably commonplace, so no real worries there imo

10G/40G is probably a bit more common for old equipment since those are typically 11.2Gbps per lane; 25G/100G is typically 28Gbps per lane these days, it's a bit newer than SFP+/QSFP+

I think this time ISP will buy higher end backend equipment.

 

[Jurong640]

my desktop pc currently supports 2.5Gb Lan Port, wonder is it easy to upgrade to 10Gb lan port? What are things i need to look at when changing it? does motherboard support it all these... thank you

 

[overratedplot]

I am surprise:

MY

Malaysia, South-Eastern Asia, Asia

72.16%

69.59%

7,708,618

I had to switch off IPv6 in Malaysia (on TM) because it was so unreliable. Like IPv6 would stop working completely, while IPv4 would work fine. So even though they have more IPv6, I wouldn't say it's better. It's been a lot more stable this year though. (sample size = 1 so maybe it works correctly elsewhere)

 

[xiaofan]

my desktop pc currently supports 2.5Gb Lan Port, wonder is it easy to upgrade to 10Gb lan port? What are things i need to look at when changing it? does motherboard support it all these... thank you

If you have spare PCI-E x4 port then should be easy.
One popular choice here: Asus XG-C100C (Marvell AQC113 chipset)
https://www.asus.com/sg/networking-iot-servers/wired-networking/all-series/xg-c100c/techspec/

Then there are many cheaper choices as well.
Example: cheaper one from IOcrest: IO-PCE113-GLAN (Marvell AQC113 chipset)
http://www.iocrest.com/index.php?id=2415

 

[robolee]

If you have spare PCI-E x4 port then should be easy.
One popular choice here: Asus XG-C100C (Marvell AQC113 chipset)
https://www.asus.com/sg/networking-iot-servers/wired-networking/all-series/xg-c100c/techspec/

Then there are many cheaper choices as well.
Example: cheaper one from IOcrest: IO-PCE113-GLAN (Marvell AQC113 chipset)
http://www.iocrest.com/index.php?id=2415

does it have tp-link tx401 issue where if you restart your PC, your network card will not be detected? only a shutdown and start your pc again to fix the issue

 

[d3adc3II]

If you have spare PCI-E x4 port then should be easy.
One popular choice here: Asus XG-C100C (Marvell AQC113 chipset)
https://www.asus.com/sg/networking-iot-servers/wired-networking/all-series/xg-c100c/techspec/

Then there are many cheaper choices as well.
Example: cheaper one from IOcrest: IO-PCE113-GLAN (Marvell AQC113 chipset)
http://www.iocrest.com/index.php?id=2415

Tbh, no point get those mediocre marvell.
Most companies went for cloud, Data center dispose their 10G gears, its like the best time to shop for enterprise 10G gears.

 

[xiaofan]

Tbh, no point get those mediocre marvell.
Most companies went for cloud, Data center dispose their 10G gears, its like the best time to shop for enterprise 10G gears.

They are the readily available ones.

My two USB4 to 10G NICs also use AQC113 or AQC107 chipset. Basically you do not really have choices for Mac and Laptops (I have two Windows laptop and one Mac Mini M1), unless you use an external dock. Same for mini PCs (with exceptions).

Out of my three Intel N100 mini PCs, only one has dual SFP+ 10G NIC based on Intel 82599ES chipset (going to EOL soon but I am running Ubuntu 24.04 so no issue). The other two only have built-in 2.5G ports.

For my Ryzen 5600G desktop (the only regular size PC I have), I am using second hand Intel X520-DA2 chipset based cheap 10G NIC (no official driver from Intel for Windows 11, has to use older version driver; no issue under Ubuntu 24.04). I have also bought another Intel X540-T2 chipset based cheap NIC (not in use now).