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The “Safe” Play: State-owned equities with PB < 1

But one thing is certain from recent government communications: there is a frank recognition of ongoing economic challenges and a clear determination to prioritize and support growth. However, some sectors and companies may have doubts about how much and how quickly this growth can occur—for instance, whether domestic consumption will drive the Chinese economy after the real estate sector ebbs and exports face limits, and when that will happen. This means that the scenario after September 24, where everything went into a crazy bull run, is unlikely to recur. This is not the time to “buy everything China.”

In this context, one “safe” play could be to focus on state-owned enterprises trading below a 1.0 price-to-book (PB) value.
With the government’s determination to back core assets—such as state-owned banks, insurance firms, and industrial companies—these undervalued core assets could become a safe bet. It is in China’s interest to “do everything” to support these core assets.

To exemplify this idea, I’ve included a summary of state-owned enterprises (excluding loss-making firms) currently trading below 1.0 PB. High-dividend-paying core assets may offer a compelling option, especially as interest rates decline in China.

*The chart is originally prepared by Li Bei (and I translated), the founder of Banxia Investment, a macro hedge fund in China, in her recent blog. She also recommended two ETFs with major exposure to these equities: 931231.CS and 031233 (the Shanghai-Hong Kong Stock Connect equivalent) (This is something to consider, but I do not recommend any specific investment advice here.)


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Internet: still room for valuation recovery

China's internet companies remain undervalued and are among the most profitable companies, even after the recent rally. The correction following October 8 may present a good buying opportunity for long-term. For instance, JD’s forward P/E ratio is 10.36 at the time of writing, compared to a median P/E of 40.2 over the past five years. Similarly, BABA’s forward P/E is 11.65 versus 25.08, and PDD stands at 10.48 compared to 23.21.

Source: Baiguan substack
 
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Chinese now whacking 跨境支付 stocks. Knn I thought isnt that tencent and alibaba but when I see the stocks they are whacking I am totally clueless what are they

跨境支付(CIPS)全产业链个股大全
(1) RMB跨境支付 龙头个股:京北方
主要个股:长亮科技、信安世纪、宇信科技、高伟 达、新致软件
(2)第三方跨境支付 龙头个股:中油资本
主要个股:青岛金王、海联金汇、华峰超纤、东方集 团

All these companies more zai than tencent and baba?
 

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The “Safe” Play: State-owned equities with PB < 1

But one thing is certain from recent government communications: there is a frank recognition of ongoing economic challenges and a clear determination to prioritize and support growth. However, some sectors and companies may have doubts about how much and how quickly this growth can occur—for instance, whether domestic consumption will drive the Chinese economy after the real estate sector ebbs and exports face limits, and when that will happen. This means that the scenario after September 24, where everything went into a crazy bull run, is unlikely to recur. This is not the time to “buy everything China.”

In this context, one “safe” play could be to focus on state-owned enterprises trading below a 1.0 price-to-book (PB) value.
With the government’s determination to back core assets—such as state-owned banks, insurance firms, and industrial companies—these undervalued core assets could become a safe bet. It is in China’s interest to “do everything” to support these core assets.

To exemplify this idea, I’ve included a summary of state-owned enterprises (excluding loss-making firms) currently trading below 1.0 PB. High-dividend-paying core assets may offer a compelling option, especially as interest rates decline in China.

*The chart is originally prepared by Li Bei (and I translated), the founder of Banxia Investment, a macro hedge fund in China, in her recent blog. She also recommended two ETFs with major exposure to these equities: 931231.CS and 031233 (the Shanghai-Hong Kong Stock Connect equivalent) (This is something to consider, but I do not recommend any specific investment advice here.)


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Internet: still room for valuation recovery

China's internet companies remain undervalued and are among the most profitable companies, even after the recent rally. The correction following October 8 may present a good buying opportunity for long-term. For instance, JD’s forward P/E ratio is 10.36 at the time of writing, compared to a median P/E of 40.2 over the past five years. Similarly, BABA’s forward P/E is 11.65 versus 25.08, and PDD stands at 10.48 compared to 23.21.

Source: Baiguan substack

Some of the yield numbers may be incorrect. The big four banks are unlikely to have a 10% yield at the current price. The numbers were around 10% because they all started paying interim dividends. So, on record, the past 12 months will take into account the full-year dividend paid during July/August this year plus the interim dividend declared in September this year. I don't think the big four banks have mentioned anything about increasing the payout ratio, so if they keep the rate constant at 30%, the final dividend will be around the same as what was declared in September, in a way, it is like getting half of next year dividend in advance.

A few other state-owned companies also started paying interim dividends, e.g. insurers. So those yield numbers may not be correct.

The low P/B is not without a reason. The table already shows their ROE. At book value equity, their ROEs are super low, but it kind of makes sense and pushes the returns to double digits when using the market value of the equity. E.g. 5% ROE at 0.5 P/B, using market value which is the price investors pay now, the adjusted ROE becomes 10%. If they start taking government-initiated loans to buy back shares, increase gearing and reduce equity capital, then perhaps, things might improve. But from the list, not all have low gearing and some industries cannot afford to cut capital.
 

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Chinese now whacking 跨境支付 stocks. Knn I thought isnt that tencent and alibaba but when I see the stocks they are whacking I am totally clueless what are they

跨境支付(CIPS)全产业链个股大全
(1) RMB跨境支付 龙头个股:京北方
主要个股:长亮科技、信安世纪、宇信科技、高伟 达、新致软件
(2)第三方跨境支付 龙头个股:中油资本
主要个股:青岛金王、海联金汇、华峰超纤、东方集 团

All these companies more zai than tencent and baba?
Whats that? Companies that help chinese move their money out of China?
 

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Whats that? Companies that help chinese move their money out of China?

Cross-border Interbank Payment System. They want to develop something that can bypass USD and SWIFT. Tiagong China, India etc are having BRICS meeting in russia now. Those are the companies that have exposure to this expertise or is taking part in the development
 

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Cross-border Interbank Payment System. They want to develop something that can bypass USD and SWIFT. Tiagong China, India etc are having BRICS meeting in russia now. Those are the companies that have exposure to this expertise or is taking part in the development

move rmb out to convert into rupee or ruble?
 

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Indian BSE Sensex index breaks support and confirms loss of 50-day EMA.
Japanese TOPIX is down even as JPY is weakening.
HSI, HSTECH, SSE and CSI300 are holding steady.

Since 2022, India and Japan were where the Western hot money (hedge funds, traders) fled to after pulling out their money from "uninvestible" China.
 
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