SimplyGo (ABT) and Pay [Express Travel Not Supported]

[twosix]

For the minor convenience of not having to look at the phone to scan for Face ID just before gantry. Sometimes it can fail when trying to authenticate during peak hours when there are many people all walking in close proximity, or can be a little dangerous to authenticate while rushing up the escalator just before gantry.

Edit: noticed you mentioned AW, not everyone wears one or likes to do that weird wrist twist.

One can always faceid after entering the stn, not when in front of the gate. Does one takes out the ezlink card or cc only when they r at the gate? Same logic.

 

[crystalnox]

One can always faceid after entering the stn, not when in front of the gate. Does one takes out the ezlink card or cc only when they r at the gate? Same logic.

Actually I have noticed plenty of people take out/dig for their ezlink only near the gate.

And there is a 30s timeout for Face ID, from the time the train stops to the time I reach the fare gate upstairs, yes it would have timed out. And of course like I mentioned, Face ID can fail when there are many people around during peak hour, say from the bus stop to the fare gates.

 

[PetPet]

One can always faceid after entering the stn, not when in front of the gate. Does one takes out the ezlink card or cc only when they r at the gate? Same logic.

With express transit commuters will be able to continue to use the device to pay for their fares even when the battery is flat.

The express transit option offers convenience and security by eliminating the need to choose between authenticating with the correct card on the iPhone before the gantry or picking a physical credit card out of their wallet for convenience - which could potentially expose details to others.

 

[reddevil0728]

And for apple users, just double press on the power button to pay. Dunno why the fuss. I do that on my aw too.

Cause if a better approach is available, it’s only logical to want it even though the alternative ain’t that bad either.

 

[froztheart]

With express transit commuters will be able to continue to use the device to pay for their fares even when the battery is flat.

The express transit option offers convenience and security by eliminating the need to choose between authenticating with the correct card on the iPhone before the gantry or picking a physical credit card out of their wallet for convenience - which could potentially expose details to others.

This is exactly why this functionality provides so much convenience,

 

[Charlie_Zhan]

since LTA has already moved on from FeliCa in favour of CEPAS many years ago, my guess is that the likelyhood of express transit happening in SG is close to 0%.

 

[PetPet]

It’s an engineering problem - Just need to see who willing to give in first

 

[iosnewbie]

The Japs can make Suica, Pasmo and Icoca cards work in iPhone as Express Transit and across different trains and bus operators. So this is definitely not some insurmountable technical challenge.

 

[twosix]

Japs r moving towards using cc. They r already testing cc on some lines already. Suica may be a past in the future. Same for taiwan, can use cc for airport metro already.

 

[Charlie_Zhan]

The Japs can make Suica, Pasmo and Icoca cards work in iPhone as Express Transit and across different trains and bus operators. So this is definitely not some insurmountable technical challenge.

because japan IC cards are still using FeliCa technology.. which is the same as what HK is using now (1st gen ez-link cards were using FeliCa technology as well).

but japan is now starting to move towards cc payment already.. so they may eventually phase out IC cards as well.

Japs r moving towards using cc. They r already testing cc on some lines already. Suica may be a past in the future. Same for taiwan, can use cc for airport metro already.

yes.. japan and HK both are starting to accept credit card nfc payment for their metro system already.

 

[twosix]

because japan IC cards are still using FeliCa technology.. which is the same as what HK is using now (1st gen ez-link cards were using FeliCa technology as well).

but japan is now starting to move towards cc payment already.. so they may eventually phase out IC cards as well.


yes.. japan and HK both are starting to accept credit card nfc payment for their metro system already.

That said, travel cards r being phased out. Why need another payment method when cc can do it all.

 

[Charlie_Zhan]

That said, travel cards r being phased out. Why need another payment method when cc can do it all.

precisely.. other countries are moving forward to accept cc nfc payment.. yet people here wants to move back towards old technology.

my personal take is that, even if one day LTA is willing to work with Apple to make CEPAS accepted on apple wallet as a express transit option, i wouldnt want to hold and maintain a separate CEPAS e-wallet just to use it for things that my cc nfc payment can already do.

and in the eyes of a tourist, would you rather the country you are visiting to widely accept your contactless cc payment, or would you rather having to go through the process of adding a transit card, then top up and use it?

 

[twosix]

precisely.. other countries are moving forward to accept cc nfc payment.. yet people here wants to move back towards old technology.

my personal take is that, even if one day LTA is willing to work with Apple to make CEPAS accepted on apple wallet as a express transit option, i wouldnt want to hold and maintain a separate CEPAS e-wallet just to use it for things that my cc nfc payment can already do.

and in the eyes of a tourist, would you rather the country you are visiting to widely accept your contactless cc payment, or would you rather having to go through the process of adding a transit card, then top up and use it?

With cc and dc like utrip, exchange rates is no longer a big consideration for travelers too

 

[PetPet]

because japan IC cards are still using FeliCa technology.. which is the same as what HK is using now (1st gen ez-link cards were using FeliCa technology as well).

but japan is now starting to move towards cc payment already.. so they may eventually phase out IC cards as well.


yes.. japan and HK both are starting to accept credit card nfc payment for their metro system already.

precisely.. other countries are moving forward to accept cc nfc payment.. yet people here wants to move back towards old technology.

my personal take is that, even if one day LTA is willing to work with Apple to make CEPAS accepted on apple wallet as a express transit option, i wouldnt want to hold and maintain a separate CEPAS e-wallet just to use it for things that my cc nfc payment can already do.

and in the eyes of a tourist, would you rather the country you are visiting to widely accept your contactless cc payment, or would you rather having to go through the process of adding a transit card, then top up and use it?

Do correct me if I’m wrong. Australia‘s public transport system doesn’t use FeliCa. They’re using MIFARE which is pretty similar to CEPAS. They support express transit with Credit Card payments – [Link]



TfL or Transport for london… don’t think they use FeliCA there. Probably one of the pioneers in open-loop payment systems. Allows bank cards with Express Transit[Link]. And the list probably goes on.

Bit puzzled what’s holding Smart Nation Singapore, and LTA back from Express Transit with Bank Cards. Could you share with me how did you come to the conclusion that we’re requesting for some outdated technology

That said, travel cards r being phased out. Why need another payment method when cc can do it all.

Interchange fees are expensive. No country would want to be held hostage by CC fees.

 

[twosix]

Interchange fees are expensive. No country would want to be held hostage by CC fees.

But some countries r moving towards accepting cc. I've already quoted jp and tw. I believe more will follow. It may be cheaper to use 1 standard than to maintain another system.

 

[PetPet]

But some countries r moving towards accepting cc. I've already quoted jp and tw. I believe more will follow. It may be cheaper to use 1 standard than to maintain another system.

To be fair, Singapore has it as well. It’s NETS. Just that NETS is neither here nor there

 

[HelIoo]

didnt know express travel is backward technology as what people said.

express travel don't need to double click power button to launch credit card. It also allows to do top up and see your balance for those prefer the legacy way. most important for tourist.

 

[twosix]

To be fair, Singapore has it as well. It’s NETS. Just that NETS is neither here nor there

Yup, i dun really know why nets is still relevant nowadays. Who is still using it anyway. Probably to keep the scholars employed. Haha.

 

[swathe]

Express travel does not mean using CEPAS onky. Why is Credit Card Express Travel not working here?

 

[szeli]

travel cards being phased out? can’t be they expect their whole citizenry to all have cc cards