SingTel 3Gbps, 5Gbps & 10 Gbps Enhanced

[perrinrahl]

Correct. No more ONT for recontract as per the reports.

I applied for recontract for the 5 Gbps at $29.90 as per this thread but was rejected as I did not receive the golden letter from Singtel. That's what Sales told me. They recommended 3 Gbps with Wifi 7 router at $39.90 (a few dollars cheaper than on Singtel website).

Should I go for it or jump ship? I have always used Singtel. Thanks!

 

[chunxi]

will hb611 work better if set in router mode and set onr to bridge?
feel the routing is slow, phone watching live is slow, compare to my previous ont + asus router
not sure where is the bottleneck

 

[liangtam]

I applied for recontract for the 5 Gbps at $29.90 as per this thread but was rejected as I did not receive the golden letter from Singtel. That's what Sales told me. They recommended 3 Gbps with Wifi 7 router at $39.90 (a few dollars cheaper than on Singtel website).

Should I go for it or jump ship? I have always used Singtel. Thanks!

As I posted some 3 pages of this thread earlier, they will try to push ppl into this higher priced more common $40 deal if you got gatekept and don't ask.

Some consideration
-Are you price sensitive, and would be happy getting the cheaper $29.55 SH or $34.90/mth M1 deal with a proper 10G port router, and of which is still cheaper than the singnet common (not so good) deal?
-The 3rd party content subscription value in the recontract is more worth to you
-If you prefer red, since you've used for so long

 

[liangtam]

will hb611 work better if set in router mode and set onr to bridge?
feel the routing is slow, phone watching live is slow, compare to my previous ont + asus router
not sure where is the bottleneck

Most likely no. The phone still connects via wifi, and the internet is still the same.
If you do speedtest via wifi and the number looks good then its more likely the connection to the site, or if its grey legality ones, congested

 

[xiaofan]

Singtel website info for the HB810 prcing is not consistent.

1) WiFi 7 router overview page -- more expensive
https://www.singtel.com/personal/products-services/broadband/wifi7

TP-Link Wi-Fi 7 HB810 Router
(Worth $799)
Special 40% off for Singtel Broadband customers at $20.16/mth (24 months) --> S$483.84 total --> not worth buying

NEW: Singtel Wi-Fi 7 HB611 Router
(Worth $432)
Special 40% off for Singtel Broadband customers at $10.80/mth (24 months) --> S$259.2 total --> not worth buying.

2) HB810 online purchasing link
https://www.singtel.com/personal/products-services/broadband/eform/wifi7
[50% off] 1x TP-Link HB810 BE22000 WiFi 7 Router (worth $799) at $16.80/mth --> S$403.2 total
+ Free Weekday Installation worth $91.68

3) I do not know of an online purchasing link for HB611-SGST now.

4) Interestingly they mention the following: More options coming soon.

 

[cstanhwz]

HB611-SGST so far available in Carousel.

 

[xiaofan]

HB611-SGST so far available in Carousel.

Not worth buying in general compared to HB710.

 

[Carbuncle]

Not worth buying in general compared to HB710.

Hi xiaofan and the rest of the gurus here.

I’m hoping again to get your expert views on Singtel’s 5 and 10 gpbs enhanced plans. We’ve got some offers from Singtel at the new place that we are moving in to, but at the same time the Starhub $29.55 with HB710 offer is also quite interesting.

My baseline end point is for a 5gbps plan with 2 mesh units (but may need to add a third mesh unit because my unit’s layout has the bomb shelter smack right in the middle of the unit). Intended use case is for WFH, the usual Netflix/Disney+/Youtube/Apple TV streaming, and smart home connectivity (lights, aircon etc).

Some questions on the options I’m thinking of:

1) From my read up of this thread, it seems like Singtel will give me a ONR and the mesh units (even if I get HB710/611/810) will all connect to the ONR as access points?

2) Singtel 5gbps with 2x Wifi6 mesh units at $29.09 per month - if I get this plan, it will just be for the 5gbps plan, and I may just straightaway get 2 (or maybe 3) HB710 from either Starhub direct or from Carousell. But question here is whether the 2 or 3 units of HB710 will be compatible with the Singtel ONR? I read on some of the threads here that some users have managed to use the HB611 together with the HB710…

3) Singtel 5gbps with 1x HB611 at $46.90 per month, or 2x HB611 at $56.70 per month - I’ll still have to add maybe 1 or 2 units of HB710. And the feedback I see on the HB611 here seems to be that it’s not really suitable for the 5gbps plans since its port is only 2.5gbps. So am actually leaning on not taking any HB611 plans at all…

4) Singtel 5gbps with 1x HB810 at $53.90 per month - will add on 1 or 2 HB710 units depending on how the wireless coverage will be like at the new place. Seems like this may be the better option for future proofing?

5) Singtel 10gbps with 1x HB810 at $56 per month - similar to option 4 above, but the speed is now at 10gbps instead. Will also add on either 1 or 2 HB710, but 10 gbps may be overkill?

The options above are really pigeonholed to Singtel’s options because I’m not really an expert at home networking, and so am looking at something that is user friendly and stable. From this angle, are there any WiFi7 mesh options I can get from the market which will work with the Singtel ONR?

Or am I better off perhaps with Starhub’s $29.55 HB710 plan (then add on 1x HB710 and see whether need to add a third HB710)? Concern here is network stability/quality as between Singtel and Starhub.

Thanks everyone in advance for your views on my options!

 

[xiaofan]

Or am I better off perhaps with Starhub’s $29.55 HB710 plan (then add on 1x HB710 and see whether need to add a third HB710)? Concern here is network stability/quality as between Singtel and Starhub.

Thanks everyone in advance for your views on my options!

Personally I will say it is better to get Starhub's S$29.55 per month 5Gbps offer as it provides better value.

 

[Carbuncle]

Personally I will say it is better to get Starhub's S$29.55 per month 5Gbps offer as it provides better value.

Thanks! And I suppose if I need more mesh units, just get more HB710 and mesh them?

For Starhub, they are now issuing a ONT I suppose? So I will have one HB710 connected to the ONT as the main router unit, and then subsequent HB710 units should be connected via LAN cable to the main HB710 router unit to form a mesh with wired backhaul?

Or am I getting the Starhub set up wrong? Sorry if I did, I’m extrapolating from the Starhub 5gbps thread.

 

[HiHelloBye]

Or am I better off perhaps with Starhub’s $29.55 HB710 plan (then add on 1x HB710 and see whether need to add a third HB710)? Concern here is network stability/quality as between Singtel and Starhub.

Thanks everyone in advance for your views on my options!

honestly, go for SH... better value compared to ST

network stability/quality is genuinely subjective

 

[HiHelloBye]

Thanks! And I suppose if I need more mesh units, just get more HB710 and mesh them?

For Starhub, they are now issuing a ONT I suppose? So I will have one HB710 connected to the ONT as the main router unit, and then subsequent HB710 units should be connected via LAN cable to the main HB710 router unit to form a mesh with wired backhaul?

Or am I getting the Starhub set up wrong? Sorry if I did, I’m extrapolating from the Starhub 5gbps thread.

yes... ONT setup

FTP <-> SH's ONT <-> HB710 (Master Node) <-> HB710 (Slave Node) [connected via Wired-Backhaul]

 

[Carbuncle]

yes... ONT setup

FTP <-> SH's ONT <-> HB710 (Master Node) <-> HB710 (Slave Node) [connected via Wired-Backhaul]

Thank you!

Keeping options open - if I stick with Singtel and the ONR setup, I’d essentially be able to use any mesh wifi set ups that can be bought off the shelf since each mesh unit in a set will always be connected to the ONR as an access point?

If yes, then is there a difference in using a WiFi6 vs WiFi7 mesh setup for my purposes?

 

[xiaofan]

Thank you!

Keeping options open - if I stick with Singtel and the ONR setup, I’d essentially be able to use any mesh wifi set ups that can be bought off the shelf since each mesh unit in a set will always be connected to the ONR as an access point?

If yes, then is there a difference in using a WiFi6 vs WiFi7 mesh setup for my purposes?

You need a mesh solution which support AP mode. Most of the mesh solutions (Asus AImesh, TP-Link Deco, Netgear Orbi, etc) support this. Notable exception is Google, so just avoid Google. For TP-Link EasyMesh, you may need to check the FW version to see if mesh in AP mode and Ethernet Backgaul are supported or not.

As for WiFi 6 or WiFi 7, you should go with triband WiFi 7 if budget allows. HB710 is one of the most cost effective model out there.

All in all, you may want to decide the following to narrow down the requirements.

1) set the budget for two nodes and three nodes first

2) do you want 5Gbe or 10Gbe WAN port on the main node? Or just 2.5Gbe will do? HB611-SGST only has 2.5Gbe WAN port.

3) do you need 6GHz band?

 

[Carbuncle]

You need a mesh solution which support AP mode. Most of the mesh solutions (Asus AImesh, TP-Link Deco, Netgear Orbi, etc) support this. Notable exception is Google, so just avoid Google. For TP-Link EasyMesh, you may need to check the FW version to see if mesh in AP mode and Ethernet Backgaul are supported or not.

As for WiFi 6 or WiFi 7, you should go with triband WiFi 7 if budget allows. HB710 is one of the most cost effective model out there.

All in all, you may want to decide the following to narrow down the requirements.

1) set the budget for two nodes and three nodes first

2) do you want 5Gbe or 10Gbe WAN port on the main node? Or just 2.5Gbe will do? HB611-SGST only has 2.5Gbe WAN port.

3) do you need 6GHz band?

Thanks xiaofan for crystallizing this!

I will prioritize future proofing the equipment this round and go for WiFi7, and a 10Gbe WAN port on the main node, and also a triband (2.4/5/6 GHz) mesh solution. Suspect I will not be using the full potential of the solution immediately, but in the longer term if 5 years or more, I think I may end up needing those features one way or the other.

Seems like the TP Link HB810/710 (but not the HB611) solutions will be the way to go?

 

[xiaofan]

Thanks xiaofan for crystallizing this!

I will prioritize future proofing the equipment this round and go for WiFi7, and a 10Gbe WAN port on the main node, and also a triband (2.4/5/6 GHz) mesh solution. Suspect I will not be using the full potential of the solution immediately, but in the longer term if 5 years or more, I think I may end up needing those features one way or the other.

Seems like the TP Link HB810/710 (but not the HB611) solutions will be the way to go?

Yes, HB810+HB710 combination is a good option.

 

[Bnbstar]

Anything to take note when the person comes to replace ONT to ONR? Like getting new cables etc~

after that i just need to bridge it to connect to my asus GT-ax6000? Thanks

 

[xiaofan]

New FW update to ZTE F8648P may prevent ONR bridging.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...te-f8648p-superadmin-password.6946718/page-16

In general, users who want to avoid ONR should really avoid Singtel and not to count on the ability to bridge the ONR manually, unless you are willing to pay S$10 per month to Singtel to officially bridge the ONR.

Noticed that there was firmware update waiting on the MySingtel App for the F8648P.

Pushed it to the router and it took about 5 - 6 minutes to update. It's now on the V2.1.10P5N20B firmware.

Quick check on the support login, and it seems that they removed the bridging ports on the Fast Setting page.

Very interesting update. I believe you need to enable the option in MySingTel app to allow Singtel to access the ONR. I saw the option and I did not proceed since I do not want that.

But then Singtel may still have the option to push the FW update without user agreement using TR-069. Let's see.

New ZTE F8648P ONR users may also get this new FW which may prevent the bridging.

 

[Bnbstar]

New FW update to ZTE F8648P may prevent ONR bridging.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...te-f8648p-superadmin-password.6946718/page-16

meaning cant self bridged anymore? My recontract “installation” date still got some days.

 

[xiaofan]

meaning cant self bridged anymore? My recontract “installation” date still got some days.

Yes, that is correct if you get ZTE ONR with latest FW updates.

In your case, most likely you can still bridge by yourself, just not to upgrade ONR FW if you get ZTE F8648P ONR. New users seem to get Nokia XS-240X-A ONR more often.