[GE2025] Mountbatten SMC

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I don't want to buy more property. I want to buy A property.

You see how expensive resale flat is or not? $600k for a 4-room tampines flat (I planning to have 2 kids) which is nearing 40 years old and PAP expects me to be ok with it?! I'm now 34 female. If I damn heng to live until 100, PAP wants me at 95 (35+60 run to 0 lease) to move into new house? This narrative crazy or not??? What confuses me is that not a single PAP person thinks there is a problem with this conversation.

And I feel this HDB issue is pushing the problem to the next gen. All homeowners are expecting a "windfall" effect. How you windfall when BTO is at 550k? How much will you be selling? $800k? Who would be buying these resale flats? OUR CHILDREN.

And govt always say "we peg the BTO with resale price because 'market forces'" or don't know what elitist crap. BTO prices is you set one. You want to price it at $100,000 to crash the resale flats is also possible one. If everything also "market forces" "price taker" then we need government for what? Just privatise the whole govt la.
yea, the asset enhancement policy is a failed policy to begin with

for eg the 600k 40 y.o 4 room tampines flat u talking about, if u buy now then want to downgrade when ur kids grown up 20-30 years later, the lease left 30 years, who would buy? and how would you recover the cost of 600k + interest?

assuming u split 600k with ur partner, 1 person 300k, with the loan each person will approx 400k at least. for us in the 30s, the projected FRS should be around 400k++ at 55 years old, that's an entire FRS gone cause there would be no way to recover the cost of the flat.

CPF and housing should be seperate, just like how insurance + investment in the form of ILP is a bad idea.
 
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If you get elected, please make friends with lim biow chuan. He is a nice guy, very resident oriented. For most community events, he is there from start to end if his schedule permits. Not those "red carpet" moments then show face kind. And after events, he always talks to his residents who wants to talk to him. He is there until the event keeping chairs and no one else talk to him then he leaves one.

I'm sure if your heart is with the residents, he can give you tips on "how things work".
 
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@jeremytansg I tell you truth: many rich people are unhappy with the way that PAP do things because they see it happening with their children and they are very worried.

World class ranking university but come out don't know do what job. You talk to any Y3 or Y4 students and I can guarantee at least 80% of them are not optimistic about jobs after graduation.

These are millionaires ah... and their children, as fresh grads, cannot afford a resale flat using their own salary. Their elite children, with their elite upbringing, can only go through BTO route then can buy a BTO, which is now hitting 600k for a plus area 4rm flat. You think throw face or not?
Plus those living in private properties enjoy far less subsidies than those living in public housing - though the earlier group pays tax too.

Sometimes it's not a matter of whether we can afford it or not, but a matter of govt being fair to all or not. PAP probably feels that since public housing dwellers form the bulk of all voters whereas those living in private housing are just the minority, so they don't really bother to 'waste' too much money on them.

Perhaps that's one of the reason why many private house owner voters had decided to vote against PAP in GE2020..
https://www.straitstimes.com/politi...gh-61-2-per-cent-vote-share-was-lower-than-65
The ruling party also saw support fall among those who lived in private property, perhaps because they felt they were not sufficiently supported during the crisis, Mr Wong added.
 

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Plus those living in private properties enjoy far less subsidies than those living in public housing - though they pay tax too.

Rich people know they need to pay more tax and they have accepted it. They just like to kaopeh a lot.

Many of the rich I know doesn't even need the GST voucher payouts, they see it as kachiang puteh. If have is cheap thrill, don't have they also don't care one. Those higher middle class sme boss then will niaoji this kind of thing.
 

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If you get elected, please make friends with lim biow chuan. He is a nice guy, very resident oriented. For most community events, he is there from start to end if his schedule permits. Not those "red carpet" moments then show face kind. And after events, he always talks to his residents who wants to talk to him. He is there until the event keeping chairs and no one else talk to him then he leaves one.

I'm sure if your heart is with the residents, he can give you tips on "how things work".
This is a good suggestion. Afterall, regardless of whether he's from the same political party or not, we are all fellow Singaporeans. That should be how 'Singaporean unity' works.
 

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Refreshing.

Rarely see people linking socioeconomic issues of public housing with finance. Being able to strip them down to individual levels for solutions requires some intellectual capacity.

While it is admirable, unfortunately, I think it’s a bit high level for the average voters. Personally, I’m also against the mindset of using property in SG for wealth generation and retirement. I believe it is unsustainable.

However, I don’t think that is something that the government can change without making radical shifts to their own policy while creating an uproar. Even by slapping ABSDs, etc, you see that the participation in real estate is still fervent.

More people are either becoming property agents or following the playbook of “selling BTO and buying two private properties”

As much as I may speak against this method of wealth creation, the reality is that this tide raised quite a number of boats. Your banks, your real estate developers are doing very well, they pour back into economic development by creating more spaces, providing loans.

Those that caught the wave are better off. Which brings to the point of social stratification and inflation. Nonetheless, your economic indicator - The DTF queues, are as long as before.
 
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You cannot even articulate why Bitcoin is resistant to inflation. If you truly think about it, you will know it is not as what you say.

This is per his website.

“The CPF has a floor rate that has been subjected to multiple changes over the years. To fully embrace Bitcoin, we need to guarantee any SGD amount invested in the Bitcoin ETF.”

Please tell me how this means what you said.

Well, depending on how you see it, it could be diversify assets to include Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency.

Or, SGD backing Bitcoin and to takeover the bagholding from people looking to exit.

I guess it goes back to why some people believe in cryptocurrency whilst some people believe in fiat.

To me, cryptocurrency has its utility apart from the bad rep it gets from scammers, black market dealings, sh*tcoins, etc.

There are many whitepapers published by major US banks about Bitcoin and alternative asset classes

If you have a mind that is opened to finding out more, you’ll be surprised with what you can find.
 

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And I feel this HDB issue is pushing the problem to the next gen. All homeowners are expecting a "windfall" effect. How you windfall when BTO is at 550k? How much will you be selling? $800k? Who would be buying these resale flats? OUR CHILDREN.
But let’s do this thought experiment - If you agree that public housing is unaffordable and technically, a rental asset shouldn’t appreciate in price, would you take the hit and sell your property at a price lower than the BTO?

Because if you wouldn’t, then it’s no longer about policy but mindset. That is what needs to change.

The incumbent is rolling back some of these windfall policies by introducing PLH. It ends up with property agents and people being encouraged to BTO those fringes of PLH where you could have your cake and eat it.
 

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GE2025: Mountbatten SMC candidate Jeremy Tan aims to better former PAP MP’s standard


“Residents of Mountbatten expect a high standard and Lim Biow Chuan gave them that standard. My goal is to match ... and even be better than that standard,” said independent candidate Jeremy Tan during a walkabout on Friday (Apr 25).
 

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But let’s do this thought experiment - If you agree that public housing is unaffordable and technically, a rental asset shouldn’t appreciate in price, would you take the hit and sell your property at a price lower than the BTO?
I'm willing to take a hit and have my property stagnate in price. BTO prices are still ok, but not resale.

Public housing is a necessity, not an asset for making profits. You want do investment, go buy condo, sti or s&p
 

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I'm willing to take a hit and have my property stagnate in price. BTO prices are still ok, but not resale.

Public housing is a necessity, not an asset for making profits. You want do investment, go buy condo, sti or s&p
If the next generation thinks like that, then they’ll likely save themselves than feel burdened by policies lo.

I think many people view property with rose-tinted lenses. Technically, anyone can just BTO anywhere for a place comfortable with their budget and, like what you mentioned, invest elsewhere.
 

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And govt always say "we peg the BTO with resale price because 'market forces'" or don't know what elitist crap. BTO prices is you set one. You want to price it at $100,000 to crash the resale flats is also possible one. If everything also "market forces" "price taker" then we need government for what? Just privatise the whole govt la.

My view is in line with PSP: BTO (aka govt) should be a price setter, not a price taker (based on resale).

If you price the BTO more cheaply, demand shifts and resale prices will drop. It's as simple as that. Taking simple example if resale and bto are side by side, the only premium that people pay for resale is that they don't need to wait and can see the flat, and not the windfall of x2 flat value.
 

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Actually got any independent candidates ever won before in history of SG?

And even if independent candidate win already, what can he do? Can he utilize the resources of PAP town council? Otherwise if alone with no party support, how to manage estates ...
 

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Well, depending on how you see it, it could be diversify assets to include Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency.

Or, SGD backing Bitcoin and to takeover the bagholding from people looking to exit.

I guess it goes back to why some people believe in cryptocurrency whilst some people believe in fiat.

To me, cryptocurrency has its utility apart from the bad rep it gets from scammers, black market dealings, sh*tcoins, etc.

There are many whitepapers published by major US banks about Bitcoin and alternative asset classes

If you have a mind that is opened to finding out more, you’ll be surprised with what you can find.

What can I find?

The people here who praise Bitcoin cannot even tell me how it is inflation resistant.
 

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You cannot even articulate why Bitcoin is resistant to inflation. If you truly think about it, you will know it is not as what you say.

This is per his website.

“The CPF has a floor rate that has been subjected to multiple changes over the years. To fully embrace Bitcoin, we need to guarantee any SGD amount invested in the Bitcoin ETF.”

Please tell me how this means what you said.


You seem to have comprehension issues. I already shared the link which I said provides a good explanation in layman terms on why bitcoin is more resistant to inflation. Or u need me to paste it here?

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  2. Crypto Basics

What is inflation?​

Three charts, including a line graph heading in an upwards trend.

Definition
Inflation is the process by which a currency like the dollar or Euro loses value over time, causing the price of goods to rise. Bitcoin (and some other cryptocurrencies) are designed to experience predictable and low rates of inflation.
One attribute that has made cryptocurrencies — particularly Bitcoin — so appealing to investors is the idea that they’re more resistant to inflation than fiat currencies like the U.S. dollar.
But what is inflation? Inflation is the process by which currencies lose value over time, causing prices of consumer goods to increase. Because most economists believe that some level of inflation is good for the economy, the U.S. government, for instance, has printed more money than consumers actually need for decades. It’s the reason that a Coke that cost a nickel a half-century ago goes for a few dollars today.
Bitcoin, on the other hand, has generally increased in value much faster than the U.S. dollar has lostvalue — going from virtually worthless in 2010 to more than $20,000 in late 2020. (Because it’s a volatile market, Bitcoin has also seen dramatic spikes and declines, but the trendline over time has been upward.) This has made Bitcoin an increasingly popular hedge against fiat-currency inflation.
The main way Bitcoin is designed to resist inflation is that its supply is limited and known, and the creation of new bitcoin will taper off over time in a predictable way. (There will only ever be 21 million bitcoin, and every four years the amount of bitcoin that is mined is reduced by half.)

Why is inflation important for crypto?​

A high inflation rate for fiat currencies might lead individuals to invest more in digital money because the dollars or Euros they placed in a savings account are actually losingvalue over time. Bitcoin and certain other cryptocurrencies like Ethereumoffer investors an alternative. The economics of the Bitcoin market are complex, but there are some features designed into the digital currency that may help it to resist inflation.
  • Bitcoin can’t be manipulated by governments adjusting rewards rates or printing more money to achieve policy goals.
  • Like gold and other scarce stores of value, the conventional wisdom around Bitcoin is that it should rise in price in uncertain times. (This has not always been the case, however — at the start of the COVID pandemic for instance, it fell sharply along with the stock market.) It’s also a much more convenient way to store and transmit value than gold — it can simply be sent over the internet.
  • Scarcity is one key to making a store of value resistant to inflation. There will never be more than 21 million bitcoin. As of now, approximately 19 million bitcoin have been mined. Around every ten minutes, miners process a new “block” and 6.25 bitcoin are added to the network. (In 2024, the mining reward will drop to 3.125 bitcoin, and will decline by half again every four years until all bitcoin are mined. This mechanism, which is designed into the Bitcoinprotocol, is known as the halving.)
  • This scheduled tapering of new supply over time makes Bitcoinpredictable in unique ways — unlike gold, no new bitcoin can ever be “discovered.”

Do cryptocurrencies experience inflation?​

Yes, technically even Bitcoinexperiences inflation as more of it is mined (as does gold). But because the amount of new bitcoin is automatically reduced by 50 percent every four years, Bitcoin’s inflation rate will also decrease.
As a practical matter, as long as Bitcoin’s purchasing power continues to rise vs. the fiat currencies we tend to compare it to, Bitcoin’s few-percent annual rate of inflation isn’t a major factor for investors to consider.
But not all cryptocurrencies are designed like Bitcoin. For instance, an increasingly popular category of digital money called stablecoins — many of which are pegged to fiat currencies like the dollar — can be a useful, low-volatility place to save some money. But if a stablecoin is pegged to a fiat currency, your investment will be impacted by inflation and could lose value over time as their reserve currency loses value. (Some stablecoins offer rewards, which could change the value equation — especially with non-crypto rewards rates hovering around zero.).

The answer to ur next qn, from his interviews duh
 

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Refreshing.

Rarely see people linking socioeconomic issues of public housing with finance. Being able to strip them down to individual levels for solutions requires some intellectual capacity.

While it is admirable, unfortunately, I think it’s a bit high level for the average voters.

i agree, can tell from some of the comments here
 
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