Do you find work tough? Or people who don't do well should only blame themselves?

[IAmChiobu12M]

From observing him:

1. Try to become buddy buddy with the boss. Find out what the boss values, and what the boss pays attention to.
2. Work hard on areas where you know the boss will be looking. There's no need to bother working hard on areas where you know the boss isn't scrutinising.
3. That's it

So in our case, our boss feels that employees who do their work well and on time, is just doing what they are paid to do. In other words, that's just the bare minimum and isn't praiseworthy. So there's no value in working hard in this area. Just put your name on a reasonable number of projects, without actually doing anything. Let the other people who are also on the project do the actual work.

What the boss actually values, is people who go above and beyond. This means "volunteering" for things like helping to plan the company's Corporate Social Responsibility programmes, participating in all the initiatives that the boss proposed, "helping" to organise training programmes etc. Some words in "", because once again there's no need to actually do anything. Just join and put name there can liao.

Of course, being such a snake will draw a good number of complaints from the colleagues, but the boss generally believes him over his colleagues, because the boss believes that there's no way a model employee who has so much initiative and goes above and beyond, is actually just wayang only.

Wow. Actually now that you know, why don't learn? Or are you still in this coy?

 

[harky]

From observing him:

1. Try to become buddy buddy with the boss. Find out what the boss values, and what the boss pays attention to.
2. Work hard on areas where you know the boss will be looking. There's no need to bother working hard on areas where you know the boss isn't scrutinising.
3. That's it

So in our case, our boss feels that employees who do their work well and on time, is just doing what they are paid to do. In other words, that's just the bare minimum and isn't praiseworthy. So there's no value in working hard in this area. Just put your name on a reasonable number of projects, without actually doing anything. Let the other people who are also on the project do the actual work.

What the boss actually values, is people who go above and beyond. This means "volunteering" for things like helping to plan the company's Corporate Social Responsibility programmes, participating in all the initiatives that the boss proposed, "helping" to organise training programmes etc. Some words in "", because once again there's no need to actually do anything. Just join and put name there can liao.

Of course, being such a snake will draw a good number of complaints from the colleagues, but the boss generally believes him over his colleagues, because the boss believes that there's no way a model employee who has so much initiative and goes above and beyond, is actually just wayang only.

i did .. no pts de.... the boss assume is ur job.

 

[ZhouXingXing]

Just do your best at work and dont take things too hard when met with any issues at work.

everyone is different when comes to career, some did very well like so easy while some are not..

need see 天时地利人和 if you want to be successful at work.

 

[TiedInsurer]

Wow. Actually now that you know, why don't learn? Or are you still in this coy?

No not there anymore haha.
The thing is, you have to act fast. Once the boss already forms an impression, it's too late to change.

 

[windwaver]

1. Is it luck? Some people just tend to have good career luck to do well. So right time right place right people etc.

2. Is it capabilities? Some people are just talented and have chance to shine and really deliver what they promised.

3. Is it just the whole job market/economy not doing well? So everyone are jaded and tired of just being a worker to enrich bosses.

4. Just behkan, stop complaining and admit you are nobody.

How do y'all navigate work and do y'all find work tough?

I never enjoy working no matter which job, from the bottom of my heart I hate the idea we need to be at work just to exchange money and be nothing but a 牛马

But for survival, just have to deal with it yet is been 10 years I'm nowhere near promising and I feel ashamed of myself.

Also, honestly seems like doing well and promoting is really not as easy? Most people around me are also just doing average. (Maybe caz you are who you mix with, so I no chance mingle with people who are doing extremely well since I belong to behkan)

What y'all think?

In general, those shoe polishers tend to do better in careers than those that are just hardworking.

 

[Song Bro]

The concept of self is inhibiting the ability of humans exceling in what they do.
It has been proven by science those actions that we consciously make
is more inefficient than those that we subconsciously do. They are those that
make one happy, boost one's ego. Therefore there is no need to compare.
Focus on the things you can control. Everything else is noise.
Dont dwell on those that can slow you down including those that excites you.

I have gotten into that mental state before, it is incredible as well as horrifying.
Its like the world around you is a haze. I only see what is before my eyes.
I am pretty sure time passes very slow, but I am able to compressed a lot of my work
within that period. That's how I complete my thesis as well as my final year project in poly.

When you find whatever you do, you dont feel any emotions - Good.
You have reach the level of Zen.

 

[coolhead]

1. Is it luck? Some people just tend to have good career luck to do well. So right time right place right people etc.

2. Is it capabilities? Some people are just talented and have chance to shine and really deliver what they promised.

3. Is it just the whole job market/economy not doing well? So everyone are jaded and tired of just being a worker to enrich bosses.

4. Just behkan, stop complaining and admit you are nobody.

How do y'all navigate work and do y'all find work tough?

I never enjoy working no matter which job, from the bottom of my heart I hate the idea we need to be at work just to exchange money and be nothing but a 牛马

But for survival, just have to deal with it yet is been 10 years I'm nowhere near promising and I feel ashamed of myself.

Also, honestly seems like doing well and promoting is really not as easy? Most people around me are also just doing average. (Maybe caz you are who you mix with, so I no chance mingle with people who are doing extremely well since I belong to behkan)

What y'all think?

Work is tough but tough work challenges you and help you grow.

Hopefully through tough work, you acquire new skillset, better mental resilience and gain a reputation among your peers for competency. The last point is especially useful if you need to jump ship.

Not everyone is talented but we can be hardworking to create higher chance of success.

 

[zueinder]

Actually, I find the work part okay-ish. Do something not so fun but get money for it. Sometimes is fun solving systemic issues and finding solutions.

The hard part is dealing with the people at work. I noticed those that do well are able to be super passive aggressive to push their agenda, push blame to everyone else as much as possible and generally stepping on others to get ahead or just in case.

Too bad I not born with selfish mindset. Too inflexible and not money minded enough.

 

[IAmChiobu12M]

Work is tough but tough work challenges you and help you grow.

Hopefully through tough work, you acquire new skillset, better mental resilience and gain a reputation among your peers for competency. The last point is especially useful if you need to jump ship.

Not everyone is talented but we can be hardworking to create higher chance of success.

Is it normal to start a job and have limited support and let you drown while trying to 画大饼?

 

[loganrunning]

Is it normal to start a job and have limited support and let you drown while trying to 画大饼?

in these days, not normal to have someone assigned to hand hold you and ensure your success
(unless you are white horse)

it is not because they want to see you drown and fail, afterall, they had to spend time and effort to screen thru applicants and go thru the hiring and on-boarding process. if you drown and leave, they have to repeat it.

your perceived lack of support may just be due to their lack of excess resource ("fat") to hand hold you.

you need to be more inquisitive and mentally flexible to search out resources to learn and self-support (not just direct instruction, but resources that may not be explicitly mentioned eg previous correspondence, inference, networking etc).
in a way, it is a "test" of your survivorship skills.

 

[IAmChiobu12M]

in these days, not normal to have someone assigned to hand hold you and ensure your success
(unless you are white horse)

it is not because they want to see you drown and fail, afterall, they had to spend time and effort to screen thru applicants and go thru the hiring and on-boarding process. if you drown and leave, they have to repeat it.

your perceived lack of support may just be due to their lack of excess resource ("fat") to hand hold you.

you need to be more inquisitive and mentally flexible to search out resources to learn and self-support (not just direct instruction, but resources that may not be explicitly mentioned eg previous correspondence, inference, networking etc).
in a way, it is a "test" of your survivorship skills.

Maybe that why to date I'm not thriving. Surviving is hard.

 

[caterham7]

1. Is it luck? Some people just tend to have good career luck to do well. So right time right place right people etc.

2. Is it capabilities? Some people are just talented and have chance to shine and really deliver what they promised.

3. Is it just the whole job market/economy not doing well? So everyone are jaded and tired of just being a worker to enrich bosses.

4. Just behkan, stop complaining and admit you are nobody.

How do y'all navigate work and do y'all find work tough?

I never enjoy working no matter which job, from the bottom of my heart I hate the idea we need to be at work just to exchange money and be nothing but a 牛马

But for survival, just have to deal with it yet is been 10 years I'm nowhere near promising and I feel ashamed of myself.

Also, honestly seems like doing well and promoting is really not as easy? Most people around me are also just doing average. (Maybe caz you are who you mix with, so I no chance mingle with people who are doing extremely well since I belong to behkan)

What y'all think?

1. yes, was lucky to find the right job, after 2 long periods of unemployment
2. instead of capability, i look at it as finding the right "fit"
3. am working in non-profit sector, so perhaps not the right person to answer
4. consider myself average, but lucky to be able to freely provide inputs/comments

yes, work is tough, but meaningful at certain times; yes have to deal with ********, but half of the time, i get to do work that i like

i have been in the same position for about 10 years, but mainly because i specifically highlighted that i am happy in my position, and do not wish to be considered for promotion

[edit] realised i didn't answer the question in the headline - personally find it helpful to avoid looking with lens of "yes/no" or "A/B"

problems/issues can be at different levels, i.e. some can be solved at own level, but some issues are systemic/structural, so cannot be solved at personal level

 

[stingray1211]

work is not tough. tough is dealing with less capable people who think they are good and of course office policitcs.

I hate dealing or working with low calibre people..waste my time to explain , explain still don't get it. might as well I do it myself.


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[XiaoChilli]

1. Is it luck? Some people just tend to have good career luck to do well. So right time right place right people etc.

2. Is it capabilities? Some people are just talented and have chance to shine and really deliver what they promised.

3. Is it just the whole job market/economy not doing well? So everyone are jaded and tired of just being a worker to enrich bosses.

4. Just behkan, stop complaining and admit you are nobody.

How do y'all navigate work and do y'all find work tough?

I never enjoy working no matter which job, from the bottom of my heart I hate the idea we need to be at work just to exchange money and be nothing but a 牛马

But for survival, just have to deal with it yet is been 10 years I'm nowhere near promising and I feel ashamed of myself.

Also, honestly seems like doing well and promoting is really not as easy? Most people around me are also just doing average. (Maybe caz you are who you mix with, so I no chance mingle with people who are doing extremely well since I belong to behkan)

What y'all think?

I work total for 4 years
Self employed for 8 years
Both Im struggling
I guess Im not that capable afterall. Capable ppl hardly struggle

 

[IAmChiobu12M]

1. yes, was lucky to find the right job, after 2 long periods of unemployment
2. instead of capability, i look at it as finding the right "fit"
3. am working in non-profit sector, so perhaps not the right person to answer
4. consider myself average, but lucky to be able to freely provide inputs/comments

yes, work is tough, but meaningful at certain times; yes have to deal with ********, but half of the time, i get to do work that i like

i have been in the same position for about 10 years, but mainly because i specifically highlighted that i am happy in my position, and do not wish to be considered for promotion

Hmm non profit, means you have heart to make a difference in people's life?

Not easy to be able to doing the same work for 10 years. Good that you are happy.

 

[IAmChiobu12M]

I work total for 4 years
Self employed for 8 years
Both Im struggling
I guess Im not that capable afterall. Capable ppl hardly struggle

Is ok. I struggle a lot too. What kind of self employed?

Many people ask me go be self employed but I don't have the confidence.

 

[Teyemittisi]

It’s really not that difficult. I believe there’s a job or industry for everyone. Any underperformance are usually a mismatch in personality capability or whatever you call. As long as one performs to their best of abilities in the right industry . I believe they can do well

 

[loganrunning]

Maybe that why to date I'm not thriving. Surviving is hard.

surviving indeed is hard, because surviving means hanging on by fingertips but don't have the strength/agility to swing body to nearby ledge (if you do rock climbing, you will know what i mean)

if you can't find work that is interesting enough that you wake up looking forward to the day, when you forget to leave on time because you are so caught up, then, perhaps it's time to re-examine your self (personality type, work style, strengths, skils inventory etc), and see if there are alternative career pivots.

being in a job that you don't like, where you can't progress, and everyday telling yourself what a lousy job it is, only makes you increasingly negative. it' can be debillitating to effect that it affects your ability to land a new job as your negativity will show thru at interviews.

sometimes, it's self-imposed limitations, and i had some, until i cast them off and tried a career pivot and found out i actually liked it and thrived.

i acknowledge i don't know you, so i can't give a prescriptive answer, just pointers and suggestions. good luck

 

[XiaoChilli]

Is ok. I struggle a lot too. What kind of self employed?

Many people ask me go be self employed but I don't have the confidence.

Online retail biz.
Didnt sustain long enuff so went bk to work.
Went bk to work gt probs with colleagues agn. Haha.
Boh pian my life is like dat

 

[IAmChiobu12M]

It’s really not that difficult. I believe there’s a job or industry for everyone. Any underperformance are usually a mismatch in personality capability or whatever you call. As long as one performs to their best of abilities in the right industry . I believe they can do well

If after many years still cannot find means what? Or just have to admit whole life just mediocre? Actually being mediocre is ok but I think I'm not even one.