Recommendation for freelance personal trainer

[kitsura]

All globogyms PT first few lessons is using machine to do "conditioning". And I'm speaking from experience so do not go to globogyms to hunt for PT. You will learn nothing since they have nothing to teach you.

 

[cowed77]

Sometimes when I see all the circus stunts most personal trainers get their clients to perform, I toy with the idea of taking the necessary papers to qualify as a freelance personal trainer as well so as to do my bit to stop people from paying good $$ to such PTs.

YA exactly how I feel! So heated when I see things like this! Waste money waste effort!

 

[kebinu]

Being good with own body doesn't mean you are good with others.

I've just got someone who is unable to perform half squat to a full squat under 2 hours.

Sorry, not discrediting bear. He is strong. He can get someone who can train properly to progress fast. I have not see how he has touched on a total newbie who cannot even squat to sh1t kind of topic.

 

[gkhchay]

This is it right here. People can study, have certs etc till the cows come home but the upshot of it is here : what lifting experience do you have? What results do you have? Competed? Victories? What testimonials? How have you helped someone else be better?

Xander, both Bear & Kevin are right. Being able to train oneself doesn't mean that the person will be able train others. What I've seen & learnt is that the assessment is the most crucial part before the program design. And the assessment needs to be done by someone who has the experience, qualifications & skills.

Would I be comfortable letting top BB or strongman train my wife who is nearing the 50yr old mark or my brother who had a slipped disc? No - because I don't think he would have the experience nor the qualifications to do a proper job. To me, a PT more than just trains his/her clients - he assesses their total physical condition ie postural issues, muscular imbalances & medical conditions, if any. Then he designs a program which includes a nutritional plan that cater to the client's needs, not their wants. He/she must also be extremely familiar with prehab & rehab protocols as well as strength building & metabolic conditioning.

So far only Jon & Aldrin are able to meet such criteria, IMO.

There may be others out there who are just as good but I don't know any.

 

[captnj]

thx Uncle chay, and anyway, for everybody's info, coach of some Olympian ice hockey guys in Canada (and all around brilliant coach) Eric Falstrault has a great piece for gym newbies looking for a coach.
http://www.bodhifitonline.com/blog/2011/11/30/top-10-reasons-why-your-trainer-sucks/

 

[XanderBuilt]

Xander, both Bear & Kevin are right. Being able to train oneself doesn't mean that the person will be able train others. What I've seen & learnt is that the assessment is the most crucial part before the program design. And the assessment needs to be done by someone who has the experience, qualifications & skills.

Would I be comfortable letting top BB or strongman train my wife who is nearing the 50yr old mark or my brother who had a slipped disc? No - because I don't think he would have the experience nor the qualifications to do a proper job. To me, a PT more than just trains his/her clients - he assesses their total physical condition ie postural issues, muscular imbalances & medical conditions, if any. Then he designs a program which includes a nutritional plan that cater to the client's needs, not their wants. He/she must also be extremely familiar with prehab & rehab protocols as well as strength building & metabolic conditioning.

So far only Jon & Aldrin are able to meet such criteria, IMO.

There may be others out there who are just as good but I don't know any.

I've selected coaches in personal, business and fitness spheres. I know what I'm looking for and in all cases results matter (mattered). I've also learned a great deal from reading material written by and asking directly upon people with results on what they do - habits, patterns etc. Fact is you'll achieve results much faster modelling the right people and systems.

We're obviously talking about different levels of trainees - newbies to intermediate, maybe even advanced. It's agreed they all need different type of trainers.

We're agreed that the over 90% of the local trainers here cannot make it.

All I'm saying is from my point of view that what I can learn from the trainers posting on this board is limited (there's probably 3 that I've seen post here that I'd consider learning from and I've trained under 2 already). Of course what I learn from other lifters that I respect is different (chay, bear, rundy et al).

As for top BB/Strongman, I think there are some very capable guys out there in Singapore that can teach and train very well.

Finally, not everyone is suited to coach and train. This clear. I've worked in the corporate world long enough to see and know this first hand.

 

[kebinu]

thx Uncle chay, and anyway, for everybody's info, coach of some Olympian ice hockey guys in Canada (and all around brilliant coach) Eric Falstrault has a great piece for gym newbies looking for a coach.
http://www.bodhifitonline.com/blog/2011/11/30/top-10-reasons-why-your-trainer-sucks/

Jon is one who has result for himself and his clients. *clap*

I believe Aldrin is up there too. So when Xander said Bear is better than Aldrin in training people.... post #23 is out.

 

[kebinu]

thx Uncle chay, and anyway, for everybody's info, coach of some Olympian ice hockey guys in Canada (and all around brilliant coach) Eric Falstrault has a great piece for gym newbies looking for a coach.
http://www.bodhifitonline.com/blog/2011/11/30/top-10-reasons-why-your-trainer-sucks/

Jon is one who has result for himself and his clients. *clap*

I believe Aldrin is up there too. So when Xander said Bear is better than Aldrin in training people.... post #23 is out.

 

[XanderBuilt]

So when Xander said Bear is better than Aldrin in training people.... post #23 is out.

Where do I say that?

 

[kebinu]

You probably wouldn't need papers. Your experience speaks volumes.

I'd even go as far as saying you're better qualified than other advertised trainers here.

Where do I say that?

3 trainers mentioned here in this thread.
Aldrin, Herman and myself.

Based on TS's need in this thread, to learn as a newbie, bear is better in your opinion.

This is base on my interpretation.

 

[XanderBuilt]

Sometimes when I see all the circus stunts most personal trainers get their clients to perform, I toy with the idea of taking the necessary papers to qualify as a freelance personal trainer as well so as to do my bit to stop people from paying good $$ to such PTs.

You probably wouldn't need papers. Your experience speaks volumes.

I'd even go as far as saying you're better qualified than other advertised trainers here.

3 trainers mentioned here in this thread.
Aldrin, Herman and myself.

Based on TS's need in this thread, to learn as a newbie, bear is better in your opinion.

This is base on my interpretation.

Bear says he wouldn't mind trying his hand at being a freelance PT if he had the papers. I say that he doesn't need papers his experience counts for a lot.

Experience of the trainee isn't discussed here just my opinion on Bear. We derail every thread on this board so it's not really a surprise here that we discuss personal opinions here.

I say "better qualified" because of his experience. He has given opinions on training, on programming, on nutrition to many levels of lifters here - all from real life experience, not theory. I've covered results and modelling in another post here already. That's the point I'm driving at. Everyone has a different set of results and we choose who we want to learn from.

 

[kebinu]

My bad.

TBH, we don't need any paper to be a trainer. Just go ahead. (XIONG)

Will you have the time for it?

 

[XanderBuilt]

My bad.

TBH, we don't need any paper to be a trainer. Just go ahead. (XIONG)

Will you have the time for it?

I think to be a trainer you need patience (not you I mean in general). Trainees give all sorts of excuses. And that's not a reflection on the trainer entirely, you can't control what they do for 22 hours in the day.

Trainers definitely need an interest in improving the well being of not only their trainees but everyone. I'll give out advice on career, fitness, whatever for free because my only aim is "shortcut" their result, I don't want them to labour I want them to achieve.

I just want to help people live better, be better.

 

[kebinu]

I think to be a trainer you need patience (not you I mean in general). Trainees give all sorts of excuses. And that's not a reflection on the trainer entirely, you can't control what they do for 22 hours in the day.

Trainers definitely need an interest in improving the well being of not only their trainees but everyone. I'll give out advice on career, fitness, whatever for free because my only aim is "shortcut" their result, I don't want them to labour I want them to achieve.

I just want to help people live better, be better.

Interesting.

Life guru or something close? Fitness, finance, economy, market etc.

 

[Bear943]

I don't discount the trainers here Actually I may possibly consult Jon once my job assignment ends in a year or so and when I am weak and vulnerable ...

Kevin, I did not intend to imply that I am a good trainer in fact I suck because i dont have the patience for incompetence. I did also state that my knowledge is one dimensional. Also the Squat machine chap started training with me from scratch rank beginner having not touched a weight in his life and in 2 years did 4 pps for 2 at 69kgs and could do 15-20 pull ups with 25kgs strapped to his waist - the basterd. But he was motivated and wanted it.

Neither Xander nor myself was attacking any one of the trainers credentials mentioned here, heck in fact i learnt quite a bit from others here like Uncle Chay - prehab protocols , Xander - dumbell floor presses FTW, Rundy and even FSM, seriously.

I do mantain that there is a need for proper credentials and certifications and i also do stand by what I said about most personal trainers and the bosu squats thing oh and also the fact that almost all the trainees of a particular trainer does the same friggin workout.

 

[XanderBuilt]

Interesting.

Life guru or something close? Fitness, finance, economy, market etc.

Not specifically. I've been interested in personal development for the past ten years. In the beginning I only attended seminars.
Then I wanted to pursue running my own business so I started with MLM for 2 years plus and did it while I worked here (I'm not a local so I built what I did in MLM from scratch). I coached during their seminars.
I moved on from this and started an enrichment centre with 3 other partners and ran that for almost 10 months including teaching kids from 18m to 6 years.
Moved from there into eventually recruitment/headhunting/consulting for close to 3 years, I gave advice to mid to "C-level" on how to run their headcount.
I now manage a small team for a niche product. I'm still looking to head back into consulting one day, run a business etc but I've always valued success philosophy, personal development, human psychology a great deal. What makes people tick.

I've never thought myself as a Life Coach but who knows?

 

[jjl.bb]

just asking, who here is in the fitness industry?

If interested, but where does one start?
I'm pondering it but a switch is tough.
I'm way over the 21-25s PTs i see all around..
and im scrawny. sad. haha

 

[cowculator]

Some people just want to drive a proton saga are often recommended to buy a BMW instead.

 

[gkhchay]

Not specifically. I've been interested in personal development for the past ten years. In the beginning I only attended seminars.
Then I wanted to pursue running my own business so I started with MLM for 2 years plus and did it while I worked here (I'm not a local so I built what I did in MLM from scratch). I coached during their seminars.
I moved on from this and started an enrichment centre with 3 other partners and ran that for almost 10 months including teaching kids from 18m to 6 years.
Moved from there into eventually recruitment/headhunting/consulting for close to 3 years, I gave advice to mid to "C-level" on how to run their headcount.
I now manage a small team for a niche product. I'm still looking to head back into consulting one day, run a business etc but I've always valued success philosophy, personal development, human psychology a great deal. What makes people tick.

I've never thought myself as a Life Coach but who knows?

Off topic here. Xander, just a gut feel - I think u would make a good executive coach. Altho' I don't know you personally but going by your posts during the last few months esp in the thread where Hitmen asked if he should put bodybuilding into his resume, my hunch is u can sell at a pretty high level since u have consulted with the C-level folks.

All u need is to be trained & certified as a coach + get the certifications on the various psychometric tools used by organizational development folks ie if you have not already have those certifications.

How do I get my gut feel? Been in organizational change & development almost all my working career so..

BTW, forget about the life coaching stuff - I personally think it's more fluff than anything else..jack of all trades, master of none

 

[gkhchay]

just asking, who here is in the fitness industry?

If interested, but where does one start?
I'm pondering it but a switch is tough.
I'm way over the 21-25s PTs i see all around..
and im scrawny. sad. haha

if u are in it for the $$, forget about it.. Fr what I know, not everyone can be as successful in the industry as Jon or Aldrin. In fact, most can't get into the 5 figure income bracket.

If u want to get into it because of passion, then it's another story.