Why got people keep bashing UOL international programme.

[booyakasha]

It the true that the partial reason why the UOL external programme exist is due to profit making.

Since u mentioned that the UOL external system is chui, can u explain why Oxbridge accept the UOL external degree for their own Post-Graduate Programme?(Masters/PhDs)

i said that there are a rare few who go on to better things, but how common are such examples? i wouldn't know personally but I would imagine it to be pretty damn rare. and are you sure oxbridge accepts them, because i've only heard examples of SIM (UOL) students going to LSE itself to study. do let us know if you have concrete examples rather than hearsay

 

[tomoya1]

i said that there are a rare few who go on to better things, but how common are such examples? i wouldn't know personally but I would imagine it to be pretty damn rare. and are you sure oxbridge accepts them, because i've only heard examples of SIM (UOL) students going to LSE itself to study. do let us know if you have concrete examples rather than hearsay

Which UOL college are u currently at now?

 

[bugmenot45]

and are you sure oxbridge accepts them, because i've only heard examples of SIM (UOL) students going to LSE itself to study. do let us know if you have concrete examples rather than hearsay

Mr Tommy Khoo, 27, is a case in point. Interested in mathematics, he had always dreamed of studying the subject in a top university like Oxford or
Cambridge, but did not do well enough in his A levels to get into the local universities.

He thus opted for an UOL degree at SIM, worked hard and graduated last year with a first-class honours degree in mathematics and economics.

This turned out to be his entry ticket to Oxbridge. He won places in both Oxford and Cambridge, and picked Oxford, where he is pursuing his master’s in mathematics.

The young man, whose goal is to become a researcher, said he is glad for the second chance the UOL programme gave him. “You need programmes like this to give a second, and even third chance to late bloomers like me,” he said.

http://www1.sim.edu.sg/sge/upl/oth/mrs/4508_101214104952.pdf

thank god u never say you gonna chop off too

 

[booyakasha]

Mr Tommy Khoo, 27, is a case in point. Interested in mathematics, he had always dreamed of studying the subject in a top university like Oxford or
Cambridge, but did not do well enough in his A levels to get into the local universities.

He thus opted for an UOL degree at SIM, worked hard and graduated last year with a first-class honours degree in mathematics and economics.

This turned out to be his entry ticket to Oxbridge. He won places in both Oxford and Cambridge, and picked Oxford, where he is pursuing his master’s in mathematics.

The young man, whose goal is to become a researcher, said he is glad for the second chance the UOL programme gave him. “You need programmes like this to give a second, and even third chance to late bloomers like me,” he said.

http://www1.sim.edu.sg/sge/upl/oth/mrs/4508_101214104952.pdf

thank god u never say you gonna chop off too

i didn't say confirm don't have, i just never heard of examples previously. thanks for showing me this article and enlightening me. but how many cases like this guy are there?

its one thing to provide 1 success story, and another to say that every year, a significant number of SIM students successfully get into oxbridge after graduation.
if you have numbers, do share.

 

[booyakasha]

Which UOL college are u currently at now?

i'm studying at UCL. why?

 

[bugmenot45]

its one thing to provide 1 success story, and another to say that every year, a significant number of SIM students successfully get into oxbridge after graduation.

well, at least SIM provides people who are willing to work hard a second chance right? better than no chance at all. thats why I don't get why people are so critical over it. personally, I think a first class hons from UOL international is better than a pass degree from local uni (try entering oxbridge with a pass degree from local uni). pity the civil service orgs don't always think the same way.

last of all, imo, UOL international degree still beats those other australian unis like murdoch and I dunno what not where you can finish a degree in less than one year.

in case anyone say I biased... I'm a local uni grad. But I have much respect for UOL international grads especially those who are juggling work-study at the same time. And I respect them also because I've seen their exam papers and imo, they are harder than those I did in my undergrad days (but this might be true for my field only).

 

[tomoya1]

surfman...ur junior lai eh

 

[booyakasha]

i have nothing personal against its students or the program in general. but what i have an issue with is when its students claim that they are better than local unis because their degree is "from LSE" (which is false), or later say that they deserve higher pay than local uni graduates because their degree is better. i think that just pisses most, if not all, local uni students.

it does provide them with a second chance which is good, but unless they seriously work hard and come out with excellent grades and graduate with a first class honours, they can't expect to be treated on the same level as a local uni graduate. so what if you have a second upper from SIM, thousands of other local uni graduates also have that and are all trying hard to find jobs too.

 

[TonyDelPiero]

i didn't say confirm don't have, i just never heard of examples previously. thanks for showing me this article and enlightening me. but how many cases like this guy are there?

its one thing to provide 1 success story, and another to say that every year, a significant number of SIM students successfully get into oxbridge after graduation.
if you have numbers, do share.

There are handful of known cases where UOL graduates enter well known UK schools for master program.

With regards to SIM-UOL, there is a foreigner (mathemagician in hwz forum)who got in LSE via scholarship. He is Ronnie Goh.
My first Study Weekend

If i recall correct, Arun used to study at SIM too. Another friend of mine also went to LSE after graduating SIM-UOL.

If i were you, I would be careful to make such comments like that

 

[booyakasha]

comments about what, about such cases being not common? i don't deny they exist, i was just saying that they aren't common. you have given a few examples, but the key issue is how common these cases are. 3 or 4 examples suggests that i am right in saying its pretty rare.

and how did these students get in? obviously they did so by studying their butts of and getting a first class honours. there's nothing wrong with that, since they have proven with their grades that they are bright.

but what about those SIM grads who get 2nd upper or lower, which suggests that they are above average at best. are they right to say that they deserve to be treated on the same level as a 2nd upper or lower from local unis? i would say no.

 

[itachisama]

i have nothing personal against its students or the program in general. but what i have an issue with is when its students claim that they are better than local unis because their degree is "from LSE" (which is false), or later say that they deserve higher pay than local uni graduates because their degree is better. i think that just pisses most, if not all, local uni students.

it does provide them with a second chance which is good, but unless they seriously work hard and come out with excellent grades and graduate with a first class honours, they can't expect to be treated on the same level as a local uni graduate. so what if you have a second upper from SIM, thousands of other local uni graduates also have that and are all trying hard to find jobs too.

supporting evidence? if its from HWZ then probably you gonna take it with a pinch of salt lol.

my fellow UOL peers do not think they can command a higher salary than local uni grads and definitely do not associate themselves as 'LSE' graduates. TBH I don't expect myself to command a salary close to them too, just have to work hard be humble and look out for good opportunities.

the fact is we are all trying hard to find jobs, be it first class hons or pass degree from local uni to private distance learning programs.

PS UCL has NICE CAMPUS!!

 

[booyakasha]

supporting evidence? if its from HWZ then probably you gonna take it with a pinch of salt lol.

my fellow UOL peers do not think they can command a higher salary than local uni grads and definitely do not associate themselves as 'LSE' graduates. TBH I don't expect myself to command a salary close to them too, just have to work hard be humble and look out for good opportunities.

the fact is we are all trying hard to find jobs, be it first class hons or pass degree from local uni to private distance learning programs.

PS UCL has NICE CAMPUS!!

i've seen examples from HWZ, blogs (e.g. Memoirs Of A Dancer ), and twitter. maybe i have a very narrow view since i only know a few people from SIM, so thank you for enlightening me.

 

[TonyDelPiero]

comments about what, about such cases being not common? i don't deny they exist, i was just saying that they aren't common. you have given a few examples, but the key issue is how common these cases are. 3 or 4 examples suggests that i am right in saying its pretty rare.

and how did these students get in? obviously they did so by studying their butts of and getting a first class honours. there's nothing wrong with that, since they have proven with their grades that they are bright.

but what about those SIM grads who get 2nd upper or lower, which suggests that they are above average at best. are they right to say that they deserve to be treated on the same level as a 2nd upper or lower from local unis? i would say no.

I think there are a few SIM-UOL graduates with 2nd upper class entering well known UK universities. The problem is that we don't know how many of SIM-UOL graduates are studying in well-known UK universities. There are so many SIM-UOL students/graduates all over in Singapore. It is pretty safe to say that a certain number of graduates will study there yearly.

 

[bugmenot45]

blogs (e.g. Memoirs Of A Dancer )

that blogger got into NTU but chose SIM-UOL in the end...
So not really a local-uni reject after all.

 

[Number_Theory123]

i said that there are a rare few who go on to better things, but how common are such examples? i wouldn't know personally but I would imagine it to be pretty damn rare. and are you sure oxbridge accepts them, because i've only heard examples of SIM (UOL) students going to LSE itself to study. do let us know if you have concrete examples rather than hearsay

I am here to refute your claim that the UOL external programme is chui as mentioned before in your earlier post.

I wanted to give u the evidence but other ppl had already done so.

The point is not about the amount of UOL external graduates that made it to Oxbridge or not.

If the UOL external programme is chui, there would be zero cases of it happening my fren.

One last point that I want to highlight. Students from SIM-UOL claiming that they are from LSE truly deserved to be bashed. I agree with you on this point.

But hello not all SIM-UOL students are like that. Only bash those whom deserved to be bashed.(SIM-UOL equal LSE???? LOL)

 

[noinimod]

I am here to refute your claim that the UOL external programme is chui as mentioned before in your earlier post.

I wanted to give u the evidence but other ppl had already done so.

The point is not about the amount of UOL external graduates that made it to Oxbridge or not.

If the UOL external programme is chui, there would be zero cases of it happening my fren.

I think you're the one missing booyakasha's point, turning around and building your own strawman. The bottom line is, as booyakasha has said, how many UOL students go on to oxbridge? 5? 10? Without any figures, we're building castles in the sky and it's not saying much.

We cannot change the perception of EMPLOYERS that distance learning degrees here are inferior. I don't know why people have a chip on their shoulder about that. If anything, it should spur people on to prove to employers that it's not true, instead of pumping your own chest like tarzan on the internet.

 

[pineapple tarts]

To be honest, i took a look at the students smoking outside the bus stop and i could tell the quality of students there is really low. There are students smoking in local uni too, but you can really tell the difference in the "Quality". But one thing is for sure, some of the girls there are really hot. lol.

 

[Number_Theory123]

I think you're the one missing booyakasha's point, turning around and building your own strawman. The bottom line is, as booyakasha has said, how many UOL students go on to oxbridge? 5? 10? Without any figures, we're building castles in the sky and it's not saying much.

We cannot change the perception of EMPLOYERS that distance learning degrees here are inferior. I don't know why people have a chip on their shoulder about that. If anything, it should spur people on to prove to employers that it's not true, instead of pumping your own chest like tarzan on the internet.

I don't think I am missing his point at all. It is totally not difficult at all to understand why are there only a minority of UOL external graduates that made it to Oxbridge.

Picture this hypothetical scenario in ur mind. Suppose now all the first year students from NUS/NTU/SMU study at SIM-UOL instead. C'mon, at the end of year 3 the amount of SIM-UOL graduates gaining entry into esteem college's post-grad programme would be so much higher.

When u are in the SIM-UOL programme and u still don't want to study hard. What else do u want the UOL external programme to do? Do u now understand why are there only a few cases where UOL external grads made it into Oxbridge?

My question was very simple.

If the UOL external programme is chui why would Oxbridge accept the degree for entry into it's own post-grad programmes?

Pumping my chest like tarzan on the internet?

I see it as students from the local universities pumping their chest on the internet like tarzan in an attempt to boost their ego instead of making the best use of resources available to them at NUS/NTU/SMU to enhance their themselves.

 

[bugmenot45]

but you can really tell the difference in the "Quality".

how do you measure someone's academic performance by the way they look at the bus-stop?

 

[pineapple tarts]

how do you measure someone's academic performance by the way they look at the bus-stop?

lol if you have seen students from top schools before..you wouldn't be asking me this question.

Money can buy you a degree, but you can never buy the 'class'.

Its like SIM students looking at ITE students, you will also be able to tell the difference in quality. Okay i am stirring a hornets' nest here. I shall refrain from speaking anymore.