If FED taper QE, what will happen?

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Revived this thread to highlight this:

Over the past 12 months, inflation has risen just 0.7 percent, the smallest gain since October 2009 and pushing further below the Federal Reserve's 2 percent target. The index had increased 1.0 percent in the period through March.

Core prices were up 1.1 percent, the smallest rise since March 2011 and slowing from 1.2 percent in March.

Consumer spending falls, inflation subdued | Reuters

US inflation at 0.7% and falling. Unemployment rate at 7.5% and stagnant. And the Fed needs to taper QE? It should be doing the opposite.
 

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needs to taper. just a matter of time. unless u want a perma drug injection to the patient. While alot of ppl is taking low i/r and QE for granted now and think it's how a normal economy should function, hindsight it will appear soooo logical to everyone that over-stimulating will not do the drug addict any good.



should rephrase the title too. It shouldnt be "if", should be "When"
 

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Unfortunately the Fed cannot end QE. The only reason for growth in the US is because of the QE. Take away the QE and it all falls to pieces. On the other hand keep on QE'ing and you destroy the currency. All roads lead to hell.

Pick the longer road then :D
 

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Pick the longer road then :D

and mother of all bubbles thereafter.

how long can low i/r stay. 5 years and counting. How long a road? 6 years? 7 years? or do you think it will be 10 years. :)
the constant i/r era is really unique..never seen in the history of fed funds rate.
the only constant in market is change.

375px-Federal_Funds_Rate_1954_thru_2009_effective.svg.png
 

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and mother of all bubbles thereafter.

how long can low i/r stay. 5 years and counting. How long a road? 6 years? 7 years? or do you think it will be 10 years. :)
the constant i/r era is really unique..never seen in the history of fed funds rate.
the only constant in market is change.

375px-Federal_Funds_Rate_1954_thru_2009_effective.svg.png

I guess bcos inflation is not high in the US, that's why the Fed can afford to keep i/r low.

Based on the graph above, the i/r was high in the 1980s because back then, the inflation is super high........
 
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Local mortgage rate up ?
With more & more condo TOP & less expatriates , I am looking to buy a unit at more discount !
 

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When people say slow down the QE, they mean the monthly treasury and MBS asset purchases. The US economy and employment situation is still weak. Even if the Fed does cut its purchases that would affect long-term rates, not short-term rates, which will be near zero for some time to come.

Actually I am not sure why people are again fretting that the Fed would end QE early or ratchet down on the purchases. US inflation is not only not getting higher, it is too low - around 1%. And there has not been much improvement in the unemployment situation. And we may see the Republicans try to take the same debt ceiling hostage again.

Because they don't really understand the issue...
 

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the economy is so weird. SP500 and DOWJ gained during open bcos of BAD economy data which would prompt QE to last longer.... is the market getting too addicted to QE?
 

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Hope this can help some investors put the balance into their perspective and not be paranoid ....


The EDGE Weekend Comment May 31

Are REITs now a bargain?
By Joan Ng

Regional markets continued their slide today on the back of worries about the tapering off of quantitative easing in the US. The Straits Times Index fell 0.7% to close at 3,311.4 points. Meanwhile, the MSCI Asia Pacific Index is headed for its second weekly drop. In fact, the regional benchmark is down 4.8% for the month of May – its first monthly decline since October, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

Shane Oliver, head of investment strategy at AMP Capital, thinks the share market correction could still continue. But Oliver isn’t overly pessimistic about the decline. “It’s worth noting that the global volatility of the last few weeks has a radically different feel to that seen in each of the last three years,” says Oliver. “This time around there hasn’t been a peep out of Europe and more importantly bond yields have gone up rather than down.”

At its core, Oliver says, the present stock market volatility is about the US Federal Reserve getting close to achieving its aim of getting the US economy back on to a stronger footing. As the authorities try to decide when the US economy can start to be taken off life support, investors are trying to figure out what this will mean in terms of bond yields and high-yield share plays that have benefitted from low bond yields.

“But it’s a far better problem to have than the risk of a return to global recession that hung over investors in the past few years. As a result, we remain of the view that recent volatility is a correction that will give way to a resumption of the rising trend in share markets,” Oliver adds.

Will there be a 1994-style bond crash? Oliver doesn’t think so as “growth is still a long way from booming, spare capacity remains immense, bank lending is still subdued and inflation is low.” He also thinks the market correction will be mild, in the region of 5% to 10%, rather than the 15% to 20% falls seen in 2010 and 2011. “Shares are far from expensive, monetary conditions are likely to remain very easy with interest rate hikes a long way off, and the gradually strengthening global growth outlook points to stronger profits ahead.”

So should investors be looking to load up on some stocks that have seen their share prices decline recently? Tricia Song, an analyst at Barclays Bank Singapore, certainly thinks so. In a report today, Song suggests that the market sell-down of real estate investment trusts (REITs) is premature. “We do not expect the Fed to cut back its bond purchases until 2014, versus the market’s expectation of 2H2013,” says Song. She notes that the FTSE ST REIT Index has fallen 10% from a 52-week high of 890 points on May 15. On average, she calculates that the locally-listed REITs now trade at yields of 6% to 6.2%, implying a spread of roughly 440 basis points against the Singapore 10-year Government Bond.

“We continue to believe that Singapore REITs’ valuations are not expensive,” Song adds. She suggests that investors look at REITs that can grow faster even when interest rates move up. Her top pick at the moment is Keppel REIT. She sees the REIT benefiting from a prime office upturn. Also, Keppel Corp has pared its stake in the REIT. This will improve free float and should help support share prices. Song is also positive on CapitaCommercial Trust because of its office portfolio. And she sees future growth from asset enhancement initiatives on its Six Battery Road and Raffles City Tower properties.

DMG & Partners Research analyst Pang Ti Wee, however, says that the risk in the REIT sector is definitely greater now. “Although we do not expect the global outlook, high liquidity and prolonged low interest rate environment to change in the near term, a closer examination indicated that if any of these factors are to change, it could potentially result in a sell-down in REITs. In our view, given the high sector valuations, the risk-reward profile is less sanguine than before,” Pang says.

Maybank-Kim Eng Research analyst Ong Kian Lin suggests investors hold REITs with defensive portfolios that have upside for distributions per unit (DPUs). Given that analysis shows that retail REITs have the highest DPU growth, Ong currently has “buy” calls on Suntec REIT, CapitaMall Trust and Starhill Global REIT.
 

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Taper only. Not a complete cut. So mostly about expectations. Reducation. That's about it.
 

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Taper only. Not a complete cut. So mostly about expectations. Reducation. That's about it.

Yup ... so, stay away fear mongers .... all the talk about crashing and STI dropping to 2010/11 lows etc. hold no grounds, given the current situation ... :p
 

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Yup ... so, stay away fear mongers .... all the talk about crashing and STI dropping to 2010/11 lows etc. hold no grounds, given the current situation ... :p

The article above talk mostly on reits.

When we buy reits, we aim for a price to buy to achieve the yield that we want.

Typically a reits with govt-linked should be 6%, and with non-govt linked should be 8% to really interest me.

So if anyone who previously bought reits shouldn't be concerned with this correction since they are happy with the yield they will be getting :)
 
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Not if those who don't understand keeps selling off their shares as they will cause confusion.... unless u have lotsa funds to capitalise on it! :s12:


pls continue to take it for granted that printing money is a given. :)

not vested.
 

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Yup ... so, stay away fear mongers .... all the talk about crashing and STI dropping to 2010/11 lows etc. hold no grounds, given the current situation ... :p
~Keynes - "The market can stay irrational longer than the investor can stay solvent."
Can't totally discount the possibility the market might be irrational and crash a lot to that level :p
 
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Tapering QE should have only minimum impact on the interest rate since QE is still present. Even after total withdrawal of QE, the Fed will not be increasing the interest rate right away.

What we are witnessing now is "uncertainty", which the market doesn't like. The market doesn't know when and how much the Fed will taper its QE program. As the bond market is anticipating a major buyer (Fed) will be leaving soon, they start to sell bonds, thus the bond yields rise. As the bond yields rise, the gap between the bonds and stocks yields will narrow, and funds will flow out of the stock market into the bond market.
 

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~Keynes - "The market can stay irrational longer than the investor can stay solvent."
Can't totally discount the possibility the market might be irrational and crash a lot to that level :p


Fainting ..... :eek:
 

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The article above talk mostly on reits.

When we buy reits, we aim for a price to buy to achieve the yield that we want.

Typically a reits with govt-linked should be 6%, and with non-govt linked should be 8% to really interest me.

So if anyone who previously bought reits shouldn't be concerned with this correction since they are happy with the yield they will be getting :)

Than when interest rate increase, will the yield decrease? Is that why ppl are selling it? Co's trying will getting less if not why sell?
 
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