Liverpool Forum (Anfield) - Part 8

[darrentsh]

the handsome botak looks so werid in that ugly GK jersey.

missing you already! all the best

he was a good servant, we just need to move on.

 

[cwcsh8]

Reina is feeling the hurt by the way he was treated no doubt.. Anyone would if treated this way after years of service. Being sold/loan away without informing him beforehand or consulted at least after all the years he has put in.. Some may want to blame him for saying he was interested in a Barce move should they came in for him in the close season.. But hey, I think he was just being honest with the club. It's not like some random club but his former and home town club.. At least he was honest with them but at the end, he ended up getting played out for being honest from his perspective. As he said, he didn't intend to leave if there was no offer from Barce and was considering renewing his contract to stay..

To say that it was his own fault is hard to belief as we can clearly see suarez, one of his closest friends there said he wants to leave, even to any random club with CL football be it is Spain, Germany or even England as long as they want him and yet they are not pushing him out but instead trying all means to keep him?

It's not like his form is so poor, if rafa still thinks he is good enough for his title chasing club, then he is definitely still good enough for us. As far as Mingolet is concern, he may have done ok at sunderland, but it's a big step up, formerly when he made a mistake, not many will notice it b'ços it was only sunderland. Here if he does so, it will be talk about, shown over and over on tv and the pressure just builds up.. So not sure he can handle it well yet..

The question is, has loyalty been shown to reina? I don't think so.. Bottom line is loyalty cuts both ways.. If Rodgers has the chick to demand loyalty from suarez, then he should practice it too otherwise, he will just come across as a hypocrite to suarez or any other players who are watching, will start to have a feeling the club will one day stab you in the back once they feel you have little used to them so why not leave first while you are still wanted by others?

 

[lyfeforce]

Reina was not loaned because he wasn't deemed good enough, it was because the higher management wanted to reduce the load of his wages.

 

[cwcsh8]

The manner of Pepe Reina's offloading to Napoli is not the 'Liverpool way'

The goalkeeper posted an open letter criticising the club after he was sent out on loan without being consulted

There was a moment of sadness in Pepe Reina’s goodbye letter to Liverpool fans, a point of clear criticism directed at the club management.

Reina, after eight seasons at Liverpool, in which he barely missed a game, felt that he deserved to leave on his own terms. He would have preferred to go to a team of his choice, at a time of his choosing, after a discussion with the club.

Instead, he has been shipped off to Napoli on loan with as little consultation as they might give a youngster whom they had decided would never make it.

“I thought that I deserved better than that,” wrote Reina, the disappointment obvious, “even though I understand that difficult decisions have to be taken in football.”

Of course, football is a heartless place and clubs cannot afford to treat their big players with too much deference. When Simon Mignolet signed from Sunderland the only question was under which circumstances Reina would leave this summer. As it happens, those circumstances were not to his taste, and this is a more efficient outcome than his collecting his salary while sitting on the bench for the next season.

But everyone knows about ‘the Liverpool way’, and this is not it. This is meant to be a club where individuals were respected, especially those who had earned it on the pitch. Honest conversation was always meant to be the solution, and difficult divorces managed in a calm and dignified way, but Reina found himself surprised and rather put out when Liverpool decided to move him to Italy.

It raises questions, not for the first time, about the man-management at Anfield these days. It may well grow out of the American owners, coming from a sporting culture where players are traded at the whim of the owners without much of a say for themselves.

Or perhaps it comes from elsewhere at the club. Brendan Rodgers has his own ways of motivating players but it is not clear that they all respond well to him. Early last season Stewart Downing was publicly criticised by the new manager and was not delighted by it.

“I was obviously upset. I always try to give my best," said Downing last October when Rodgers had questioned his commitment. "You’ll have to ask the manager what he meant by his quotes. I would have preferred it obviously if it was private.”

Nuri Sahin, the Turkish midfielder signed on loan from Real Madrid but who never fully settled in his six months at Anfield, doubted the communication skills of Rodgers, and blamed them for his failure to settle.

“I did not fail at Liverpool,” Sahin insisted. “Brendan Rodgers wanted me to play as a number 10. But I do not play behind the strikers. I talked to him and asked him why he was playing me there. It is not my real position. The coach could not answer me. Thank God I have left Brendan Rodgers.”

Reina has left too, with his own distaste at the new regime.

 

[lyfeforce]

Agreed, this was a poorly handled situation. Then again, American bosses are not known for their tact.

 

[fooblack]

Agreed, this was a poorly handled situation. Then again, American bosses are not known for their tact.

from a mgmt point of view, they are basically sending out a clear msg - be committed fully or you may be shipped out. No fine prints pls.

if you think this is unfair cos suarez is treated differently. Think again. The club may likely act than not once the selling price is met.

the difference bet suarez and reina is clear. Suarez has a marketable value but reina less so. reina is currently highly paid and entering last year of contract.

 

[Carnage]

Pepe Reina has been a wonderful servant of this club. It was sad that his tenure will come to such end and he didn't have the best of farewell.

The club has acted decisively. Actually, I do think there is little right or wrong here. He has been faithful except to the point whereby Baraca do not come knocking. Such loyalty is good except of the fine prints.

With Mingolet available for transfer, BR has acted swifly to ensure that we have a younger and possibly hungrier GK in the squad. From the pre-season games, it is clear that this GK has the potential to be one of the best in the league. He kept about 12 clean sheets last season for a relegation threatened black cats. That is outstanding.

Once Mingolet is in the door, Reina has to go. He gets est. 100k/w so too expensive to be on the bench. BR has been tactical by saying that Mingolet is bought in for competition. honestly, he has nothing else better to say. If he says the Mingolet is bought to replace Reina, won't that be a bigger slap to Pepe? But this is actually the truth. In a way, BR is doing the right thing but is pushed to a corner when he needs to discuss abt Reina's position in a PR sense.

Let's just close the chapter on Reina and wish him all the best in his reunion with Rafa.

Sorry bro, but I disagree.

Rodgers was man enough to tell Henderson and Downing that they were on the transfer list. So why is Reina so special? You mean to say Henderson and Downing were not overly paid so they were treated differently? Last I recalled, both of them were on 60k a week at least. That's 75% of Suarez basic wage, do they have the 75% of his output?

At least Reina didn't let us down on numerous occasions, let's not forget that we had the 2nd best defence for the majority of last season. Let's not forget that him openly courting Barca is pure conjecture. I haven't recalled a single interview whereby he said he wanted a return to Barca.

It's a matter of either him lying or the club lying. Right now, it appears to be the latter because what Rodgers said 2 months ago and now just doesn't add up. It leaves a distaste in my mouth, that the club I support could treat their own players so callously.

 

[Carnage]

Reina was not loaned because he wasn't deemed good enough, it was because the higher management wanted to reduce the load of his wages.

I'm hurt that the club decided to beat about the bush.

Let's call a spade, a spade.

No different from NEA telling us about ponding, really.

 

[fooblack]

Sorry bro, but I disagree.

Rodgers was man enough to tell Henderson and Downing that they were on the transfer list. So why is Reina so special? You mean to say Henderson and Downing were not overly paid so they were treated differently? Last I recalled, both of them were on 60k a week at least. That's 75% of Suarez basic wage, do they have the 75% of his output?

At least Reina didn't let us down on numerous occasions, let's not forget that we had the 2nd best defence for the majority of last season. Let's not forget that him openly courting Barca is pure conjecture. I haven't recalled a single interview whereby he said he wanted a return to Barca.

It's a matter of either him lying or the club lying. Right now, it appears to be the former because what Rodgers said 2 months ago and now just doesn't add up. It leaves a distaste in my mouth, that the club I support could treat their own players so callously.

you have valid points bro. I think BR acted swifty cos Mingolet is available in this window and BR just wanted to play it safe to get him on board.

Reina is entering the last year of his contract. Valdes too. it takes no brainer to realised that if valdes leave, there is a big chance (or call in conjecture) that Barca will come knocking. Reina, himself did admit that he dreams of a return to Barca in his farewell letter to pool. this means that this conjecture has some level of truth. It is always risky to put our hopes that someone else wont press the button to activate the transfer.

BR played the PR hand to say Mingolet is here to provide competition. it is clear from the start that it is impossible for the club with its current limited budget to have 2 1st team GK. therefore, you may be justifed to say that BR is lying thru his teeth. In a way, he has little choice cos he also dowan to lelong Reina for fear of PR disaster or causing his transfer value to plunge further.

think BR always has a difficult position to justify this swap. The same goes for other managers to previous era of loyal servants like hyypia, fowler etc. it is never un-ugly.

on balance, with Reina entering his last year of contract, getting older into his 30s, risk of barca coming, younger Mingolet being available.. all these are real factors of risks and opportunity which BR decided now to hedge. right or wrong.. it's still too early to judge... not overly defending BR here. There are pros and cons of this swap.

I am also sad to see Reina go and wished he was treated better.

 

[GameboyX]

lying? who lied?

reina told the club he wants to go if barca comes, though he said he's open to signing a new contract.

the club risked having a keeper leaving, so they scouted for one, found one, bought one.

barca keeper decided to stay. new keeper already bought. reina goes to napoli to play.

so what's wrong? i rather the club be on the safe side than having barca coming and reina leaving and leave us with no keeper (and the fans complaining). reina and mignolet in the club fighting for a place? well, if the club wants to reduce wage bill, so be it. it's a keeper, how much rotation can u have? it's a world cup year, how happy will u be sitting on the bench?

i dont see anything wrong. tough luck on reina that barca keeper doesnt want to leave, that's all.

 

[Carnage]

you have valid points bro. I think BR acted swifty cos Mingolet is available in this window and BR just wanted to play it safe to get him on board.

Reina is entering the last year of his contract. Valdes too. it takes no brainer to realised that if valdes leave, there is a big chance (or call in conjecture) that Barca will come knocking. Reina, himself did admit that he dreams of a return to Barca in his farewell letter to pool. this means that this conjecture has some level of truth. It is always risky to put our hopes that someone else wont press the button to activate the transfer.

BR played the PR hand to say Mingolet is here to provide competition. it is clear from the start that it is impossible for the club with its current limited budget to have 2 1st team GK. therefore, you may be justifed to say that BR is lying thru his teeth. In a way, he has little choice cos he also dowan to lelong Reina for fear of PR disaster or causing his transfer value to plunge further.

think BR always has a difficult position to justify this swap. The same goes for other managers to previous era of loyal servants like hyypia, fowler etc. it is never un-ugly.

on balance, with Reina entering his last year of contract, getting older into his 30s, risk of barca coming, younger Mingolet being available.. all these are real factors of risks and opportunity which BR decided now to hedge. right or wrong.. it's still too early to judge... not overly defending BR here. There are pros and cons of this swap.

I am also sad to see Reina go and wished he was treated better.

Disregarding the manner he left, I believe the club actually got lucky in the 2 transfers. Just so happen that Mingolet was available, just so happen Reina wasn't around for the better part of pre-season.

Again, I ask what if Reina had rejected the loan. That would be a real pie on Rodgers' face.

What is more likely to have happened, is that during performance review the management sat down and analysed stats and wages. Had long ago decided that Reina didn't deserve his wage, then decide on this action while he wasn't around.

 

[Didjerama]

Disregarding the manner he left, I believe the club actually got lucky in the 2 transfers. Just so happen that Mingolet was available, just so happen Reina wasn't around for the better part of pre-season.

Again, I ask what if Reina had rejected the loan. That would be a real pie on Rodgers' face.

What is more likely to have happened, is that during performance review the management sat down and analysed stats and wages. Had long ago decided that Reina didn't deserve his wage, then decide on this action while he wasn't around.

I tink u got to see the big picture here. News flying ard the valdez was to leave this season.reina already expressed interest to join and said the deal would be good.

This is a case of prior planning. In the past,we wud have not bougjt a keeper,and then when then keeper does leave,we all go moaning why there is no good cover keeper.

What i like abt reina is that he was frank. Thats good. And clearly he wants to go barca. Thats is undeniable. The club needs to plan NOW ahead and not until the scenario happens

This was a good arrangement for the keeper and club
Keeper gets first team games and qualify for the WC team.
Club plans ahead ad frees wages
Keeper still in contention for barca spot after this coming season
Club plans for future

What i like abt players wanting to leave is that they remain amicable abt it.reina stated clearly he wanted to go barca. And he did it properly.perhaps this is a good sign for us to stop being sentimental abt players and look forward an plan ahead.

 

[ParkJinYoung]

after beachballgate, Reina can go

 

[trickle_on]

I spoke to my Liverpool supporting friends about the way Reina was shipped off.

Some said that this was how we used to function, ruthless and swift, back when we were winning league titles in the 80s. And that we have become too soft and indecisive in recent times. Afraid to make tough decisions.

Others, however, have a different story to tell. They fell in love with the club because of "family spirit" and the passionate support. They think that the club has become most business-like in recent years but agree that perhaps it's the way things work nowadays with the amount of money the EPL generates.

From a personal standpoint, I am quite disappointed with the way Reina's departure was handled. It leaves a very sour aftertaste.

This does not mean that I disagree with the club deciding that he should go on loan.

 

[s7460597]

There should have better communications but both parties are not in a bad place. Reina gets to play regularly in CL team which likely would be challenging for the league title.

 

[Takechan]

I spoke to my Liverpool supporting friends about the way Reina was shipped off.

Some said that this was how we used to function, ruthless and swift, back when we were winning league titles in the 80s. And that we have become too soft and indecisive in recent times. Afraid to make tough decisions.

Others, however, have a different story to tell. They fell in love with the club because of "family spirit" and the passionate support. They think that the club has become most business-like in recent years but agree that perhaps it's the way things work nowadays with the amount of money the EPL generates.

From a personal standpoint, I am quite disappointed with the way Reina's departure was handled. It leaves a very sour aftertaste.

This does not mean that I disagree with the club deciding that he should go on loan.

Your friends' comments seem like one of those Gen-X vs Gen-Y issues.

 

[GunzerX]

I spoke to my Liverpool supporting friends about the way Reina was shipped off.

Some said that this was how we used to function, ruthless and swift, back when we were winning league titles in the 80s. And that we have become too soft and indecisive in recent times. Afraid to make tough decisions.

Others, however, have a different story to tell. They fell in love with the club because of "family spirit" and the passionate support. They think that the club has become most business-like in recent years but agree that perhaps it's the way things work nowadays with the amount of money the EPL generates.

From a personal standpoint, I am quite disappointed with the way Reina's departure was handled. It leaves a very sour aftertaste.

This does not mean that I disagree with the club deciding that he should go on loan.

Truth is Mignolet was to replace Reina but initially the club said no and is for competition ->lfc lied to us

LFC dun want to pay an expensive bench for goalkeeper - LFC do not have resources.

Another truth is lfc spend only $22m to buy (Aspas,Mignolet and Alberto) and sell our Jonjo/Andy carroll for $21m. Only net spend $1m.

Hard truth for lfc fans.

 

[trickle_on]

Your friends' comments seem like one of those Gen-X vs Gen-Y issues.

hahaha. the group i hang out with does include everyone from teenagers to old fogies, but the views shared were not indicative of the age groups.

 

[trickle_on]

There should have better communications but both parties are not in a bad place. Reina gets to play regularly in CL team which likely would be challenging for the league title.

Agreed. And he'll be playing under Rafa again. Plus, playing regularly does do his chance of competing for a world cup place a lot of good.

 

[cwcsh8]

In my view, there was no need to rush in getting Mingolet. It's not as though he is so sought after and we got him really cheap that we needed to rush closing the deal asap.. No one else was really after him anyway so he could have been a back-up plan anytime..

We could have offered reina a new deal or actually we didn't even need to as it's not as though he was on his last year with us and since Victor Valdes made it clear he was staying back at barce at the end of May and we only bought Mingolet at the end of Jun. Someone said we already bought Mingolet not knowing if reina would stay is incorrect as we had almost one whole month before Mingolet joint to decide. So I feel it was down to the manager's wishes to change rather than anything else.

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Personally, I don't rate Mingolet better than Michel Vorm, Begovic, Tim Howard or even John Ruddy.. They are about the same.. And to think we had to pay 9m pounds when Fulham got Holland no.1 Maarten Stekelenburg for 5.6m euros only.. roughly half of Mingolet's fee.. is mind boggling..