Manchester United - Theatre of Dreams - - Part 13

[sCuzzZy]

Made my fpl auto subbed him in and -1. Useless feck.

 

[MatrixFanatic]

I thought Moyes had got the defensive tactics part spot on last night. The players knew their jobs, tracked their runners and closed the space well. Cleverley and particularly Carrick were brilliant. If this was Jose Mourinho, everyone would have praising him for such great tactics. But because it's David Moyes, no one gives a sh!t of credit to him

A little disappointed with how Mata was deployed last night. He can't quite clearly play as a left winger, it's obvious to see he's reluctant to take his fullback on the outside because he doesn't have the skill or pace for it, then when he had it in a threatening position, he turned back and look for a safe pass instead. Would have been better on the right where he prefers to cut in, put his head up and look for a pass. To make it simple, his style of play is a totally opposite of Antonio Valencia, except Juan Mata is shorter and miles technically superior

Any other season this would have been classed as a 'typical United performance away from home'. Very European game actually, Moist will do well in the Champions League.

Mata is no better than Kagawa at the moment. Just saying, he just has a cooler name. Fellaini was a more 'useful' buy than Mata.

Not sure why Moist is not doing his Everton thing of using fullback as wingers and just play Mata/Kagawa/Januzaj to cut in constantly.

 

[Adi Dassler]

Damn sad lose money yesterday.

 

[cracker]

his own goal shui sia....hahaha

miskicked mah....

 

[cancer81]

Any other season this would have been classed as a 'typical United performance away from home'. Very European game actually, Moist will do well in the Champions League.

Mata is no better than Kagawa at the moment. Just saying, he just has a cooler name. Fellaini was a more 'useful' buy than Mata.

Not sure why Moist is not doing his Everton thing of using fullback as wingers and just play Mata/Kagawa/Januzaj to cut in constantly.

not enough protection afforded to the back four with Clevery

 

[alibababags]

I couldnt fault the tactics against Arsenal away.

We had enough chances to win.

But it was a dull draw. One of the most boring performance by both sides for years

The bad thing abouy Mata is that he's not a traditional left winger.

The good thing is he floats around, so he is not restricted on the left.

I am still waiting for Mata and Januzaj to start together.

still waiting for kagawa and mata to play together.

these two can understand each other well due to their similarities. but moyes die die want to stick to 442.

with mata in the picture, a change in formation is needed to accomodate his creativity, not convert him into a winger.

 

[xiaogin]

BBC Sport - Manchester United prepare for summer changes to squad

Woodward said: "It's fair to say we are focused on strengthening the squad and looking at some players to sell." He warned large-scale changes could "destabilise" the team but insisted: "We're not afraid to move in the market in a way we haven't in recent years."

There are 2 ways to look at his statement:
1. Buy cheap unknown players
2. Spend big on world-class players

If no Champion League, Europa League, I shall see who he can buy.
Heard that alot of our recent targets are signing new contracts liao.

Vidal, Fernando, Kroos..

 

[cancer81]

that is easy to say and do, ON PAPER

problem is that currently the attack & defence can be a little lop sided or unbalanced...

the balance of the side can make the shape easy to maintain or it would crumble with a touch...

and we already crumble quite often now. 4-1-3-2, 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-2-1 will require the protection of the back four to be on a certain standard.

Carrick? can't play that role forever.
Clevery? well....
Afro is still injured... even then he is not that mobile

If Yaya or Willian is on our books, Moyes would have done it a long time ago.

 

[cancer81]

BBC Sport - Manchester United prepare for summer changes to squad

Woodward said: "It's fair to say we are focused on strengthening the squad and looking at some players to sell." He warned large-scale changes could "destabilise" the team but insisted: "We're not afraid to move in the market in a way we haven't in recent years."

There are 2 ways to look at his statement:
1. Buy cheap unknown players
2. Spend big on world-class players

If no Champion League, Europa League, I shall see who he can buy.
Heard that alot of our recent targets are signing new contracts liao.

Vidal, Fernando, Kroos..

like the saying goes when it comes to wooing char bor

got BF can break, got husband can divorce

 

[runforyourlife]

take out RVP.

kagawa mata januzaj

rooney

why cant moyes do this? will slice his meat issit if he field this formation?

 

[spykid]

Personally we would all love to see Mata/Kagawa/Robin/Rooney/Januzaj all start together as a front four, but i can understand Moyes for not doing so, at least not yet. Our current midfield is not dynamic and mobile enough for him to do so, maybe if we can buy a midfielder in that mould in the summer, perhaps he may just do that next season. But for selfish reasons, i would love Moyesy to try it out just for one game at OT and see how it pans out

Not sure if it makes sense, but it sort of reminds me of the Lakers when they had all the All-Stars with Kobe, Gasol, Howard and Nash. All great individuals with flair but barely making it to the playoffs that season

 

[rVn_mUfC]

take out RVP.

kagawa mata januzaj

rooney

why cant moyes do this? will slice his meat issit if he field this formation?

He just don't rate kagawa. He is even behind young and Valencia in the pecking order.

 

[baseline]

our whole defense need to change.. we also need strikers and midfielders.

 

[xiaogin]

I happened to read 1 article yesterday about the difference between Moyes & Bayern's tactics during a game. (Sorry, can't find it anymore in my FB)

In summary, Moyes is still green in tactics and ideas.

1. Our players are too far apart from one another. The further the distance, more easy to lose possession or misplaced long pass.
2. During possession, our players are standing in 1 straight line but not in "triangle". So you only can pass sideways, which is to the wingers.
3. When ball is with wingers, there is no support in the middle behind the hole, wingers can only cross or pass backwards.
4. When wingers attempted a cross, there is only 1-2 players in the box when we have 2 strikers and normally both strikers doesn't spend too much time in the box either.

 

[xiaogin]

Personally we would all love to see Mata/Kagawa/Robin/Rooney/Januzaj all start together as a front four, but i can understand Moyes for not doing so, at least not yet. Our current midfield is not dynamic and mobile enough for him to do so, maybe if we can buy a midfielder in that mould in the summer, perhaps he may just do that next season. But for selfish reasons, i would love Moyesy to try it out just for one game at OT and see how it pans out

Not sure if it makes sense, but it sort of reminds me of the Lakers when they had all the All-Stars with Kobe, Gasol, Howard and Nash. All great individuals with flair but barely making it to the playoffs that season

I have got to realize that his tactics and ideas are pretty weak.
The movement within the team are not compact enough.
Even if Kagawa, Mata, Januzai, Rooney start a game together, more or less same pattern and results.

 

[xiaogin]

our whole defense need to change.. we also need strikers and midfielders.

Ed Woodward has just mentioned that Utd will buy more players in the summer.

If true, I will rather he use 25 million to terminate DM's contract, spend another 30 million to prise Guardiola over to OT.

 

[rVn_mUfC]

Ed Woodward has just mentioned that Utd will buy more players in the summer.

If true, I will rather he use 25 million to terminate DM's contract, spend another 30 million to prise Guardiola over to OT.

Why would pep move from Munich? His project there is only just the beginning.

 

[spykid]

I have got to realize that his tactics and ideas are pretty weak.
The movement within the team are not compact enough.
Even if Kagawa, Mata, Januzai, Rooney start a game together, more or less same pattern and results.

Could be, but our football was pretty fine to watch when we play in the CL, and Kagawa was a big buzzing part of that. Moyes tends to play Shinji more in that competition, and we can't use Mata at all. Certainly not much of an excuse not to use him going by how it's working so far

Maybe the players will feel extra motivational to do well in the CL since it's the only thing left we can possibly have a go and win, i don't know. Playing against the best teams in Europe sometimes can bring the best out of people

 

[spykid]

Ed Woodward has just mentioned that Utd will buy more players in the summer.

If true, I will rather he use 25 million to terminate DM's contract, spend another 30 million to prise Guardiola over to OT.

Are you mad? And i'm not talking about prising Guardiola from Bayern. Besides where did you get that figure of 25m to terminate Moyes from? Or just anyhow pom one?

 

[MatrixFanatic]

not enough protection afforded to the back four with Clevery

Lose-lose situation for moist.