do you think army is treating people fairly?

[beauty&thebeastlady]

My hubby was a 2nd timer awol. He did that cause i had a bad miscarriage & was horribly sick. But i didnt force him to stay. Its just that,he couldnt bare leaving me alone.

He awol for 41 days. When he himself surrender personally,worst is he treat like hell! I was so angry to the urge to make a complaint. He came, & was handcuffes the whole day, wo giving him any food. I came down to his camp, to get food and cigg for him, but wasnt able to take himself! How can they treat him like prisoners?!?! I even confronted is stupid indian S4! But his reply is, they are following the laws. U think?! I get so worked out!! Worst still, handcuffed while sleeping!!!! What the hell are they doing!!!. The next morning, his mate texted me saying he was sent to DB safely. His mate?!?! Wtf is his S4 doing?!?!? He told me to wait for 3 weeks to know my hubby sentence, but he didnt even say a F word at all! I called up DB & wanted to visit him was F unsucessful. Wth!!! I enquire here and there but not even one person ans my main question. Till that one day,his cell friend was release immediately, he texted me. What my hubby told to. His cell mate helped me alot. I got my ans there, & finally he wrote a letter he might get IR (immediate release) how is that possible to happen?im actually curious. I search to looked up for ans but nothing.

 

[reddevil0728]

My hubby was a 2nd timer awol. He did that cause i had a bad miscarriage & was horribly sick. But i didnt force him to stay. Its just that,he couldnt bare leaving me alone.

He awol for 41 days. When he himself surrender personally,worst is he treat like hell! I was so angry to the urge to make a complaint. He came, & was handcuffes the whole day, wo giving him any food. I came down to his camp, to get food and cigg for him, but wasnt able to take himself! How can they treat him like prisoners?!?! I even confronted is stupid indian S4! But his reply is, they are following the laws. U think?! I get so worked out!! Worst still, handcuffed while sleeping!!!! What the hell are they doing!!!. The next morning, his mate texted me saying he was sent to DB safely. His mate?!?! Wtf is his S4 doing?!?!? He told me to wait for 3 weeks to know my hubby sentence, but he didnt even say a F word at all! I called up DB & wanted to visit him was F unsucessful. Wth!!! I enquire here and there but not even one person ans my main question. Till that one day,his cell friend was release immediately, he texted me. What my hubby told to. His cell mate helped me alot. I got my ans there, & finally he wrote a letter he might get IR (immediate release) how is that possible to happen?im actually curious. I search to looked up for ans but nothing.

Having quite a hard time trying to understand what you are trying to say, but will reply to the best of my ability from what I have understood. You might not like to hear what I am about to say so warn you first.

I sympathise your lost, but your husband going AWOL (some more this is the 2nd time, may I know what's the story behind the first) is not the way to go. Doesn't he have any annual leave to take? If not on hindsight he should have spoken to his commanders to work things out. I don't think they will be so unreasonable if your husband actually speak to them, but since he did not and decided to take things into his own hands, they have no choice but to follow the law. IF they did not, they will be setting a precedent so you must understand that.

If you are very certain that he wasn't given food, yes please go ahead and make a complaint.

I don't see why there's a need for him to collect the food and cigarettes you brought for him. If they actually allowed you to do so, why can't anybody just take it on his behalf? Even if he hasn't be sentenced yet but kept under remand or what not, I don't see why not letting him collect the stuff your brought for his is considered being treated like a prisoner. Even for a normal NSF, who did nothing wrong, if the commanders say he can't collect for himself and ask someone else to take stuff on his behalf, I don't see what's wrong actually.

Btw, I don't see the need for you to mention the race of the S4. He can be Chinese, Indian or Malay, it doesn't matter. If you think he is stupid, he is stupid in your eyes regardless of his race. If that's the law, that's the law, so he has to follow it regardless of how worked up you are.

It might be the standard procedure to handcuff while he's sleeping so you should go check it up whether that's the case. If that's the procedure, there's no argument about it.

If you have not informed about the sentence even though you've been promised, go make a complaint.

What's the reason for them denying your request to visit him in DB?

I don't get what you are trying to say towards the end.

 

[Kiwi8]

I agree with what reddevil0728 had posted.

 

[derrickgoh]

2nd timer AWOL. Meaning he already went AWOL once and he knows what's in store for him yet he choose to go AWOL again. What did you expect?

How do you now he had no food to eat? Did he tell you that or did you assume that just because they did not allow you to pass your outside food to him? In case you didn't realise, he IS a prisoner. Or detainee or whatever they call it. He is in DB. Detention barracks. That's the military's prison. No luxuries like cigarettes or home cooked food. You think prisoners can suka suka walk all over the place and come and meet visitors?

Whatever problems your husband has, he should speak to his superior. If every other soldier suka suka decide to go AWOL, what will happen to the SAF?

 

[beauty&thebeastlady]

Well thank you for those words or advice as i may say. Whatever it is just looking for ans because i was very confused. But you werent the one going through it,so i guess... you dont know how it feels. Anyways, i have already lodged a complain ,yes. I did my part even the mp says that, why is he treated like a prisoner. Btw,ty(

 

[beauty&thebeastlady]

2nd timer AWOL. Meaning he already went AWOL once and he knows what's in store for him yet he choose to go AWOL again. What did you expect?

How do you now he had no food to eat? Did he tell you that or did you assume that just because they did not allow you to pass your outside food to him? In case you didn't realise, he IS a prisoner. Or detainee or whatever they call it. He is in DB. Detention barracks. That's the military's prison. No luxuries like cigarettes or home cooked food. You think prisoners can suka suka walk all over the place and come and meet visitors?

Whatever problems your husband has, he should speak to his superior. If every other soldier suka suka decide to go AWOL, what will happen to the SAF?

Well, first of all.. why would i assume he didny get to eat? And hes was not even sent to db yet on the day i sent him food. Fyi. Im not that stupid enough to send food to him when he is in db.haha. anyway thanks hahahaha.

 

[akloaklo]

Did your hubby tried calling to defer even though it is very last minute?
I'm sure a reasonable OC of your husband will gladly give him a deferment or excuse if it is indeed something serious.

2nd time awol...got such co-incident 2 ICT both time got emergency? If you are sick, there are always your parents or your in-laws to take care of you. You hubby might be the one trying to escape ICT?

If you feel that you are right, should make it big news on the day when he was caught...I sometimes disagree with army and yes there are some old ****ers(Warrant officer) inside there who think they are big F.

btw awol 41 days? a bit too much...if next day he return and apologize to his oc or ask face to face for deferment/excuse to leave it should be ok.

 

[beauty&thebeastlady]

Did your hubby tried calling to defer even though it is very last minute?
I'm sure a reasonable OC of your husband will gladly give him a deferment or excuse if it is indeed something serious.

2nd time awol...got such co-incident 2 ICT both time got emergency? If you are sick, there are always your parents or your in-laws to take care of you. You hubby might be the one trying to escape ICT?

If you feel that you are right, should make it big news on the day when he was caught...I sometimes disagree with army and yes there are some old ****ers(Warrant officer) inside there who think they are big F.

Thanks he isnt trying to escape anything but my miscarriage was horrible. Anyways, i just need ans. I did explain to his sir and all. But ending up ignore. They even ignore my msgs. But its ok,

 

[reddevil0728]

Thanks he isnt trying to escape anything but my miscarriage was horrible. Anyways, i just need ans. I did explain to his sir and all. But ending up ignore. They even ignore my msgs. But its ok,

What's the story behind his first AWOL

 

[zenniz]

Sad live for regulars, nsf or NSmen.

In civilian world, if you go missing for days from your job, you get fired.
In military, if you go missing for days from your vocation, you get DB.

What have you learn?

 

[beauty&thebeastlady]

Well,it seems that you people are not giving answers. More like "pin me down" ,but im just confuse. I no nothing so im here searching for answers. What do's & donts. But anyway thanks.

 

[beauty&thebeastlady]

Said live for regulars, nsf or NSmen.

In civilian world, if you go missing for days from your job, you get fired.
In military, if you go missing for days from your vocation, you get DB.

What have you learn?

What does getting fired got to do with db? Atleast fired, ure not sent to a cell. Tell me the difference. Im interested to know.

 

[Chalkycliffs]

What does getting fired got to do with db? Atleast fired, ure not sent to a cell. Tell me the difference. Im interested to know.

SAF is not so tyrannical as to prevent your husband from being by your side during a health crisis.

If your husband had gone through the proper channels to inform his superiors about the family emergency, he would have been given leave to be with you and support you in your time of need.

The fact that your husband has gone AWOL before is already a blackmark against his NS record.

Showing him leniency after that 1st incident is almost next to impossible.

Please try to understand that the rules SAF follows usually do not make sense to regular citizens.

Most of the time, even NS people also do not understand them.

 

[zenniz]

You will understand how fk up SAF logic is if you have gone through NS.

Just like the dog leashing case. MINDEF promised not to prosecute anyone but end up charging someone by giving excuses like violation of camp rules.

I have more illogical SAF logic to share based on my NS experience if you would like to know more.

 

[reddevil0728]

Well,it seems that you people are not giving answers. More like "pin me down" ,but im just confuse. I no nothing so im here searching for answers. What do's & donts. But anyway thanks.

to give you answers, we need to know more information. so what's the story behind his first AWOL?

 

[j_t_fusion]

Sad live for regulars, nsf or NSmen.

In civilian world, if you go missing for days from your job, you get fired.
In military, if you go missing for days from your vocation, you get DB.

What have you learn?

well... the problem is that you can't get fired from being a NSF and you can't get fired from your NS obligation.

if one can get fired from NS, many would be glad to go squat in DB for a few days.

 

[derrickgoh]

This is NOT his first time going AWOL. He has gone AWOL before. He knows AWOL is wrong, yet he went AWOL, he was punished for it, and he is not repentant and chose to go AWOL again. Big difference from someone who is a first time offender.

If its a genuine crisis I don't see why he would not be given time to spend with the wife. He allegedly went AWOL for over 40 days. Well if he expects SAF to give him 40 days off he can obviously forget it. But compassionate leave or something similar to that, or even annual leave. Hell, even no pay leave. I'm sure something could have been arranged.

It senseless to compare military career with civilian job. Its two totally different ball games. One should know that the military is far stricter than outside and if one choses the career, he should be prepared for it.

As for his treatment, as what some have pointed out already, if what took place was according to the unit's SOP and other offenders were treated the same way, then there is nothing to complain about. But if you have proof that other offenders were treated much better, then its another story.

Having said that, keep in mind that he is a SECOND TIME AWOL offender. The unit could have decided he was a "flight risk" as the police term it, and hence the handcuffs on at all times.

During my NS there was this guy in my unit who was arrested for stealing handphones. They called Provost but I guess the MPs were busy 'cos they took forever to come. He was handcuffed to the duty orderly all the time. Even when he needed to pee, he was handcuffed to the orderly.

And this is for theft. Now we are talking about a second time AWOL offender. Go do the math.

 

[chehjin]

if you look at the big picture, SAF is treating everyone fairly by punishing your husband. If nothing happened to him, then it would be unfair to the thousands others who are diligently manning their post whether they like it or not.

I know this won't sound nice to you but many people have been through army, most people do not get "marked" for no reason. so your husband must have been behaving a certain way that the commanders in the camp do not seem to be lenient but following the book strictly with him.

I am not saying he is a bad person just that he doesn't seem to mix well with his current unit.

 

[shashimi]

do everything also slow except charge ppl

 

[mgx-alander]

ur husband is Regular?