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yah lor ... what's history is history. gone is gone. So butt hurt for what
Manchester United - Theatre of Dreams - - Part 14
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yah lor ... what's history is history. gone is gone. So butt hurt for what
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I just found out on bbc that round and lumsden also left. Only p nev and the gk coach still around.
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IMO, it would be better for someone that has past experience with the club to take over Moyes.
We have quite a few former players that have become managers. Roy Keane, Solskjaer, Mark Hughes, Steve Bruce just to name a few.
Or maybe even Carlos Queiroz?
We have quite a few former players that have become managers. Roy Keane, Solskjaer, Mark Hughes, Steve Bruce just to name a few.
Or maybe even Carlos Queiroz?
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"There should be no sympathy for Moyes because in no other walk of life could he ever have been so handsomely rewarded for such abject failure. You or I could have done as poorly for half the money."
It Was Obvious This Was Never Going To Work
It Was Obvious This Was Never Going To Work
From day one, Johnny was aware that David Moyes and Manchester United was a marriage made in hell. Why on earth did people try to justify such unmitigated failure?
The sack. At last. Thank god.
It's been coming since last July. The truth is Moyes should never have been appointed as the manager of one of earth's biggest football clubs. You didn't need to be 'a football man' to know that. You didn't need to be an ABU to know that. This isn't 20/20 hindsight. All you needed was to look at his record. It told us everything about what he was like, who he was and why he wasn't suitable. That's why so many of us called it out from day one as a stupid decision to appoint him. We were not hugely perceptive. It was so easy to see.
Football likes to think of itself as big business, but it isn't really - not compared to proper big businesses turning over billions. But if any club is big business, it's Manchester United. A global empire dedicated to selling poly-cotton duvets to people in Thailand as well as winning football matches needs a big man with a big personality and a big vision at the helm. Moyes was none of these things, self-evidently. From the start he looked like a little boy on his first day at the big school.
In awe of the post he had acquired (but surely knew he didn't deserve), from the get-go Moyes betrayed a terrible naivety and it just got worse and worse. In fact, with the exception of playing Adnan Januzaj, which could be assigned as much to good fortune as intelligence (woefully painted as some sort of genius by those desperate for United not to be as rubbish as they plainly were), Moyes did nothing, absolutely nothing right during his tenure. Nothing at all.
Tactics: awful.
Substitutions: terrible.
Post and pre-game interviews: embarrassing.
Training regime: hated.
Transfers: inept.
Inspiration: non-existent.
Body language: beaten.
Demeanour: absolutely terrified.
I've watched football since 1966 and I have never, ever seen a top flight manager as inept and downright frightened of the job as Moyes has been. How has it been allowed to go on so long? It's been so obvious he was short of the mark by a country mile.
He sacked his inherited backroom staff - staff who had won the league - and replaced them with men who hadn't. The sight of Phil Neville on the bench advising Moyes was laughable and entirely symbolic of the parochial, small mind that Moyes was allowed to bring to the job.
Throughout this inglorious period, until very recently, Moyes enjoyed a blanket, blinkered support from almost everyone in the media. They criticised the players but not the manager. Indeed, no matter how awful the results and performances, Moyes was given a free pass, almost being written out of events as though he wasn't there at all. It started to seem odd; as though a memo had gone out instructing everyone to toe the same line. At one point, United's press team put out a story about how he had a 'high-tech bunker' (a bunker!) with whiteboards and a computer and proffered this as evidence of Moyes' modernity. Presumably those responsible had not heard of the concept of parody.
Even on Monday night, BBC 5lives' Mike Ingham was asserting that 'everyone' thought he was the right man for the job. This is an extraordinary version of events and is simply, categorically and provably untrue. This fiction about Moyes has been relentlessly pushed at us for 11 months and kept him in a job.
I know people who know Moyes and they tell me he is a lovely guy. I don't doubt it. This may well be why he was so unsuited to such a big role. When his appointment was announced I wrote it would 'crush him to ginger powder' and man, he looks like he's aged nine years in nine months. I got it wrong though. I thought he'd be gone by Christmas, but by Christ he should have been.
We were told to give him time, but why? United don't have time, ever. But no-one at the club seemed to realise this. They must win now, not in the future. The next coach will have no time. No honeymoon. Just win and win now. That's why you're paid £2.6million a year and this is what the job is. Be good immediately. There's no growing into the United job. The guff about legacy and six years to build was the dumbest pile of garbage I've ever heard in football.
That is not the modern world of football nor of business. There is no proof beyond Sir Alex Ferguson that a long tenure brings more success. Many of us have pointed this out for ten years at least, but hey what do we know, we just write on the internet. Gary Neville's epic phrase about United 'standing against the immediacy of the modern world' could have been crafted by George Orwell, but it always was utter drivel. They don't. They're just a big club and when big clubs lose a lot, they sack their manager. End of story. This is not hard to understand.
There should be no sympathy for Moyes because in no other walk of life could he ever have been so handsomely rewarded for such abject failure. You or I could have done as poorly for half the money. Had United had no manager for this season, they would not have been worse. In fact, I'd wager they'd have been better because Moyes isn't just poor, he's a dead weight, dragging the club into the mire. The fact Everton look so liberated from the yoke of his management at Goodison only rubbed salt into a wound viciously slashed open last summer. United have been bleeding ever since.
The real villains in this are two-fold. First and fore-most, the board for being craven to Ferguson. He's just an old bloke who was very good at managing a football team, not a god. His judgement is self-evidently not infallible.
Secondly, the fans who stuck with Moyes. They might like to think of themselves as loyal and noble but they were nothing of the sort. It was they who dragged this out for many months longer than was needed. There's no point in radically damaging your club - and make no mistake that is what has happened - for the sake of giving someone who is no good a chance. The fans should have known better. Tribal club loyalty was blinding too many people, as it so often does.
The most remarkable thing about Moyes' appointment was that, in a sport of such variables, the outcome was so very predictable. As I said last summer, United must appoint a big man for this big job. But honestly after this debacle, can they be trusted to do that? Who next, Sir Alex? Billy Davies is available. What a truly pathetic shambles this has been.
The sack. At last. Thank god.
It's been coming since last July. The truth is Moyes should never have been appointed as the manager of one of earth's biggest football clubs. You didn't need to be 'a football man' to know that. You didn't need to be an ABU to know that. This isn't 20/20 hindsight. All you needed was to look at his record. It told us everything about what he was like, who he was and why he wasn't suitable. That's why so many of us called it out from day one as a stupid decision to appoint him. We were not hugely perceptive. It was so easy to see.
Football likes to think of itself as big business, but it isn't really - not compared to proper big businesses turning over billions. But if any club is big business, it's Manchester United. A global empire dedicated to selling poly-cotton duvets to people in Thailand as well as winning football matches needs a big man with a big personality and a big vision at the helm. Moyes was none of these things, self-evidently. From the start he looked like a little boy on his first day at the big school.
In awe of the post he had acquired (but surely knew he didn't deserve), from the get-go Moyes betrayed a terrible naivety and it just got worse and worse. In fact, with the exception of playing Adnan Januzaj, which could be assigned as much to good fortune as intelligence (woefully painted as some sort of genius by those desperate for United not to be as rubbish as they plainly were), Moyes did nothing, absolutely nothing right during his tenure. Nothing at all.
Tactics: awful.
Substitutions: terrible.
Post and pre-game interviews: embarrassing.
Training regime: hated.
Transfers: inept.
Inspiration: non-existent.
Body language: beaten.
Demeanour: absolutely terrified.
I've watched football since 1966 and I have never, ever seen a top flight manager as inept and downright frightened of the job as Moyes has been. How has it been allowed to go on so long? It's been so obvious he was short of the mark by a country mile.
He sacked his inherited backroom staff - staff who had won the league - and replaced them with men who hadn't. The sight of Phil Neville on the bench advising Moyes was laughable and entirely symbolic of the parochial, small mind that Moyes was allowed to bring to the job.
Throughout this inglorious period, until very recently, Moyes enjoyed a blanket, blinkered support from almost everyone in the media. They criticised the players but not the manager. Indeed, no matter how awful the results and performances, Moyes was given a free pass, almost being written out of events as though he wasn't there at all. It started to seem odd; as though a memo had gone out instructing everyone to toe the same line. At one point, United's press team put out a story about how he had a 'high-tech bunker' (a bunker!) with whiteboards and a computer and proffered this as evidence of Moyes' modernity. Presumably those responsible had not heard of the concept of parody.
Even on Monday night, BBC 5lives' Mike Ingham was asserting that 'everyone' thought he was the right man for the job. This is an extraordinary version of events and is simply, categorically and provably untrue. This fiction about Moyes has been relentlessly pushed at us for 11 months and kept him in a job.
I know people who know Moyes and they tell me he is a lovely guy. I don't doubt it. This may well be why he was so unsuited to such a big role. When his appointment was announced I wrote it would 'crush him to ginger powder' and man, he looks like he's aged nine years in nine months. I got it wrong though. I thought he'd be gone by Christmas, but by Christ he should have been.
We were told to give him time, but why? United don't have time, ever. But no-one at the club seemed to realise this. They must win now, not in the future. The next coach will have no time. No honeymoon. Just win and win now. That's why you're paid £2.6million a year and this is what the job is. Be good immediately. There's no growing into the United job. The guff about legacy and six years to build was the dumbest pile of garbage I've ever heard in football.
That is not the modern world of football nor of business. There is no proof beyond Sir Alex Ferguson that a long tenure brings more success. Many of us have pointed this out for ten years at least, but hey what do we know, we just write on the internet. Gary Neville's epic phrase about United 'standing against the immediacy of the modern world' could have been crafted by George Orwell, but it always was utter drivel. They don't. They're just a big club and when big clubs lose a lot, they sack their manager. End of story. This is not hard to understand.
There should be no sympathy for Moyes because in no other walk of life could he ever have been so handsomely rewarded for such abject failure. You or I could have done as poorly for half the money. Had United had no manager for this season, they would not have been worse. In fact, I'd wager they'd have been better because Moyes isn't just poor, he's a dead weight, dragging the club into the mire. The fact Everton look so liberated from the yoke of his management at Goodison only rubbed salt into a wound viciously slashed open last summer. United have been bleeding ever since.
The real villains in this are two-fold. First and fore-most, the board for being craven to Ferguson. He's just an old bloke who was very good at managing a football team, not a god. His judgement is self-evidently not infallible.
Secondly, the fans who stuck with Moyes. They might like to think of themselves as loyal and noble but they were nothing of the sort. It was they who dragged this out for many months longer than was needed. There's no point in radically damaging your club - and make no mistake that is what has happened - for the sake of giving someone who is no good a chance. The fans should have known better. Tribal club loyalty was blinding too many people, as it so often does.
The most remarkable thing about Moyes' appointment was that, in a sport of such variables, the outcome was so very predictable. As I said last summer, United must appoint a big man for this big job. But honestly after this debacle, can they be trusted to do that? Who next, Sir Alex? Billy Davies is available. What a truly pathetic shambles this has been.
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Manchester United’s share price rose dramatically after David Moyes’ sacking as investors rushed to buy stocks in the 2013 Premier League champions.
Wall Street reacted to news of Moyes’ departure on Tuesday morning as the United share price went up by more than $1, and by over 7 percent, in the space of three hours.
It took United’s share price, which was $17.72 before trading opened, to $19.00 by 17.55 BST (12.55 ET) in a sign that there is greater financial confidence in the club’s future without manager Moyes.
The United share price reached its highest level since the announcement of Sir Alex Ferguson’s retirement last May and had not been at $19 for 11 months.
The highest price shares have reached in the last year was $19.18 last May, after United had won the 2013 Premier League title and while Ferguson was still in charge.
The Glazers, the club's American owners, likely would have been concerned that next season's exile from Europe's top club competition may have dragged on for years at a time when player costs are high and interest payments on the club's debts are a real burden. Big United sponsors, such as Nike, may have become restless, according to The Associated Press.
"Clearly Nike and other sponsors are paying for one of the best and most recognized football brands in the world -- not one that cannot even make the Champions League," said Louise Cooper, an independent financial analyst in London. "The financials ensured that Moyes was not given the time to perform."
Ten percent of United’s shares were floated on the New York Stock Exchange in August 2012 in a partial Initial Public Offering (IPO).
The other 90 percent of the shares remain owned by the Glazer family, who bought the club in 2005.
At a share price of $19.00, United are valued at around $3.3 billion.
United’s share price was at its lowest level in Moyes’ nine-month reign in February, when it bottomed out at $14.26.
Manchester United shares rise after David Moyes departs - ESPN FC
Wall Street reacted to news of Moyes’ departure on Tuesday morning as the United share price went up by more than $1, and by over 7 percent, in the space of three hours.
It took United’s share price, which was $17.72 before trading opened, to $19.00 by 17.55 BST (12.55 ET) in a sign that there is greater financial confidence in the club’s future without manager Moyes.
The United share price reached its highest level since the announcement of Sir Alex Ferguson’s retirement last May and had not been at $19 for 11 months.
The highest price shares have reached in the last year was $19.18 last May, after United had won the 2013 Premier League title and while Ferguson was still in charge.
The Glazers, the club's American owners, likely would have been concerned that next season's exile from Europe's top club competition may have dragged on for years at a time when player costs are high and interest payments on the club's debts are a real burden. Big United sponsors, such as Nike, may have become restless, according to The Associated Press.
"Clearly Nike and other sponsors are paying for one of the best and most recognized football brands in the world -- not one that cannot even make the Champions League," said Louise Cooper, an independent financial analyst in London. "The financials ensured that Moyes was not given the time to perform."
Ten percent of United’s shares were floated on the New York Stock Exchange in August 2012 in a partial Initial Public Offering (IPO).
The other 90 percent of the shares remain owned by the Glazer family, who bought the club in 2005.
At a share price of $19.00, United are valued at around $3.3 billion.
United’s share price was at its lowest level in Moyes’ nine-month reign in February, when it bottomed out at $14.26.
Manchester United shares rise after David Moyes departs - ESPN FC
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i watched 1st half and a bit of 2nd half. pretty boring. then went back to sleep
hope madrid vs bayern munich is much much more exciting.
This reminds me of a situational leadership training technique.. if the delta (gap) between your staffs (ability and readiness) and the leadership style deployed is more than 2, it goes into a disaster.
For example, for high performing and high willing staff, if you employ a teaching leadership = conflict will arise.
Class of 92 to helpout.. Maybe we can see Scholes, Butt, P. Neville, Rio
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Ask Mikey and Rene to return?
If LVG get the job - also good.. Total Football? RvP will be happy with LVG I think.
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I am miffed that people can get so cock-a-hoop especially since these people never regarded him as a Manchester United manager. I can let it be when u get personal and call him names but to go into "la la land" when it happened is kinda taking it too personal. The ones who want Jose in the hotseat will continue asking for him, if the next man is not Jose they will start again.
the 2nd part is also a concern, I am not sure if the United job becomes a "1 bad game and you look over your shoulder" job is a good thing. You can no longer be confident that the club will give the new man time.
being expected to come in and start flying immediately is not something I like in club management.
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hmm i guess some bros really are a bit too celebratory that moyes has gone, but i would say maybe the negative emotions over e past few months may have gotten to them and his sacking is like popping an over-shaken bottle of bubbly..i think that the club did the right thing, but i aint celebrating it like we won e league though.. to each his own i guess.. the way u respond really makes it seem that u wanted moyes to stay there, thats why i asked what has moyes done, besides ur worry about giving future managers more time, that makes u think like that..
i think e club will still give e new manager time.. i think we gave moyes a hell lotta time to try to sort things out in e first place. if we were any other club, moyes would have been gone in Dec.. just look at spurs
This is a sin. Allowed a 51 points swing by Liverpool.
David Moyes allowed Man United to be knocked off their perch by Liverpool... for the Reds have enjoyed a 51-point swing as they head for the Premier League title | Mail Online
David Moyes allowed Man United to be knocked off their perch by Liverpool... for the Reds have enjoyed a 51-point swing as they head for the Premier League title | Mail Online
Yes.. Moyes had been given extra time already... considering modern day football and US management style.
Once you failed all KPIs, it is a sack.
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I agreed, club has given Moyes enough time to restore some pride, but things looks getting worse, even himself look clueless what to do next. Some say give him 24 months, but we don't want to end up waiting 24 years to win back the title.
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