Liverpool Forum (Anfield) - Part 13

[silent_espy]

Barca also need time to bed Suarez in?

actually, tbh, few players can come into any squad w/o upsetting the play set up.

Pool is also in the process, not helped by their only star player in the roster who has been injured for 2 mths..

Coutinho and sterling should be counted as star players too.

Balo could have also been a star.

Marko Suso Can Manquillo and Moreno could be future stars.

And we have the star of stars Lovren.

 

[LifeIsSuch]

Too many new players to integrate along with change of tactics forced by Luis's departure . injuries played a big part.

these seem to be legitimate reasons. but if you look at arsenal, their injury list is even longer than ours. injury is a time for the fringe players to shine. sadly, players like borini, markovic etc did not exactly do their chances any favour.


and talking about new players, soton has half their squade rip apart. yet they are sitting 2nd in the table. even west ham with loads of new players and a 19th century tactician is playing better football.

 

[AceyourMaths]

Coutinho and sterling should be counted as star players too.

Balo could have also been a star.

Marko Suso Can Manquillo and Moreno could be future stars.

And we have the star of stars Lovren.

Balo already a star.

Gerrard is star captain. Henderson is future star captain. Lallana is former star captain.

Mignolet is star GK.

The rest are already stars themselves or future potential stars!

 

[fooblack]

Coutinho and sterling should be counted as star players too.

Balo could have also been a star.

Marko Suso Can Manquillo and Moreno could be future stars.

And we have the star of stars Lovren.

i like your sacrastic tone lol

 

[bwaysaibi]

im not even asking for them to work their socks off.
they just need to be themselves for bloody sake.

it's like the entire team are celebrity/star impostors
cos the real team is still on holiday somewhere else.

 

[Takechan]

Balo already a star.

Gerrard is star captain. Henderson is future star captain. Lallana is former star captain.

Mignolet is star GK.

The rest are already stars themselves or future potential stars!

Dont add more salt to our misery can

 

[silent_espy]

do u tell ibrahimovich to do defending ???

good strikers do not track back

Torres and Suarez used to track back when they played for us.

 

[silent_espy]

i like your sacrastic tone lol

I am actually serious about the rest bar Lovren haha

 

[cwcyenk]

Barca also need time to bed Suarez in?

actually, tbh, few players can come into any squad w/o upsetting the play set up.

Pool is also in the process, not helped by their only star player in the roster who has been injured for 2 mths..

One word....Southampton

 

[Eraval]

i like your sacrastic tone lol

I think he only sarcastic about Lovren la lol


The rest of the stars I agree leh



Need everyone to buck up liao, last night Man Utd's Rooney had more fight in him then the whole Liverpool team against Newcastle

I really hoping RM will tok us gao gao, let BR wake up, his transition period is nonsense, we signed alot players yes, but the core is actually the same players he had what, add in Moreno, Lovren and Balo nia, and opponents have had so much time to counter our tactics from last season liao, need to come up with new ideas

I would like to see more flexible approaches, not a 1 top with clueless midfield passes

 

[cheapoffer]

This is my 2cts opinion on why Liverpool is not comparable to last season.

Last year Liverpool is not in Europe action, play 1 game per week and with a workhorse Suarez who was banned many games starting of the season. Not forgetting Sturridge form when Suarez was not around.

This year Liverpool playing in Europe, still in the last eight of Capital One Cup. Injury to Sturridge and the burn out of Sterling after World Cup and the new players need time to gel plus the fact of buying Balo who is not the type of player who can press (seems like Carroll to me).

If you had watched the Capital One Cup it's a better performance than playing against QPR, Hull City. So makes me wonder why BR don't use the same 11 against Newcastle?

With Sterling rested for few games together with Gerrard, maybe that will keep them fresh and not playing them week in week out. Balo is more suitable as a sub and Borini should be given a chance to start who is a player that is pressing more than Balo.

The worst part is Liverpool got most players in England squad for Euro 2016 qualification and international friendlies. But looking at the current table Liverpool is 3 points from 4th place and better than a team who is playing only 1 game per week yet cannot do what West Ham and Newcastle did

 

[odyas]

Southampton up there now remind me of hull city promoted few season back. Whack all the team left right centre and was in top 2 for almost 10 games or so before slipping down as down and down.

The key thing most big clubs differentiate themselves from the minimows is how zai they can be for the entire season. So we'll see end of season where is Southampton and where is pool. My guts feeling tells me we will 've in top 6 with sturridge back, top 4 if we buy spot on players coming Jan.

 

[Carnage]

Soto won't last long at the top. Statistically speaking, only Everton managed to sneak into top 6. Their squad just not talented enough.

Over the years, it is not uncommon to have a small squad to have an explosive start to the season. The question is how long can their stellar form be sustained? Don't forget we are 2 months away from Christmas which is only the mid point of the season. Anything can happen from then till May.

That said, I don't see us reversing our fortunes anytime soon. We need Sturridge back, and we need new signings. Obviously the money spent over the summer is almost as good as flushed down the toilet. I've already written off Lovren and Balotelli as misfits, they aren't performing at all in the red shirt.

Alot of us will enjoy watching us in Europe, but I have my doubts about the squad and Rodgers in this regard. He has little experience in Europe and I doubt we can last long in that competition. Better to fall out early than persevere with a pipe dream. Not every year is 2005.

 

[fooblack]

Southampton up there now remind me of hull city promoted few season back. Whack all the team left right centre and was in top 2 for almost 10 games or so before slipping down as down and down.

The key thing most big clubs differentiate themselves from the minimows is how zai they can be for the entire season. So we'll see end of season where is Southampton and where is pool. My guts feeling tells me we will 've in top 6 with sturridge back, top 4 if we buy spot on players coming Jan.

still early days in the season. let's see where they are in the next 10 games. if they are still up there in the top 4, then I think they are serious contenders... right now, they are just early pace-setters in my view...

 

[Carnage]

Too many new players to integrate along with change of tactics forced by Luis's departure . injuries played a big part.

Barca also need time to bed Suarez in?

actually, tbh, few players can come into any squad w/o upsetting the play set up.

Pool is also in the process, not helped by their only star player in the roster who has been injured for 2 mths..

Frankly, even if we start with all the players from last season we would still leak goals and have problems scoring.

A centreback pairing of Skrtel and Toure isn't going to be the airtight defense that is Skrtel and Agger. Enrique is as prone to mistakes as Glen Johnson.

Our midfield is mostly unchanged, Lallana isn't a destabilizing factor as well.

Upfront is where the changes are the most. Our SAS is missing, Borini is our only forward and he didn't even played for us last season. Between him, Balotelli and Lambert it's a no brainer who Rodgers will choose for every game.

The question is, is the formation correct. We saw how Rodgers could be tactically flexible last season, switching formations in mid game, going with the diamond for some games or a back 3 defense for others. I wonder why is he persisting with 4-3-3 for so long when quite obviously it isn't paying off.

 

[Grandturismo]

Frankly, even if we start with all the players from last season we would still leak goals and have problems scoring.

A centreback pairing of Skrtel and Toure isn't going to be the airtight defense that is Skrtel and Agger. Enrique is as prone to mistakes as Glen Johnson.

Our midfield is mostly unchanged, Lallana isn't a destabilizing factor as well.

Upfront is where the changes are the most. Our SAS is missing, Borini is our only forward and he didn't even played for us last season. Between him, Balotelli and Lambert it's a no brainer who Rodgers will choose for every game.

The question is, is the formation correct. We saw how Rodgers could be tactically flexible last season, switching formations in mid game, going with the diamond for some games or a back 3 defense for others. I wonder why is he persisting with 4-3-3 for so long when quite obviously it isn't paying off.

Is BR seeing something that we failed to see for the past games that he insisted on the 4-3-3?

 

[s7460597]

Is BR seeing something that we failed to see for the past games that he insisted on the 4-3-3?

he could feel that it only need a little more time for it to work or only minor tweaks needed.

 

[fullguard]

Just made a simple table showing the stats for the past 10 years. average for 4th position should be 70 points. Currently Southampton are 10 games in with 22 points. So 28 games more to go to get 48 points. Looking at their fixtures:

Leicester (H)
Villa (A)
Man City (H)
Arsenal (A)
Man Utd (H)
Burnley (A)
Everton (H)
Crystal Palace (A)
Chelsea (H)
Arsenal (H)
Man Utd (A)
Newcastle (A)
Swansea (H)
QPR (A)
West Ham (H)
Liverpool (H)
West Brom (A)
Crystal palace (H)
Chelsea (A)
Burnley (H)
Everton (A)
Hull (H)
Stoke (A)
Tottenham (H)
Sunderland (A)
Leicester (A)
Villa (H)
City (A)

28 games - 48 points. They need about say 13 wins, 9 draws, 6 losses? I wouldn't say that would be too difficult. However they have 6 very big matches from 31 Nov to 31 Jan. This could be the point in which their form starts to deteriorate and their season turns for the worse.

For us, 28 games - 56 points.

Thats of course assuming that the average for the past 10 years would be anywhere near this season's top 4 points. Seems like the gap is starting to widen between the top teams and bottom teams.

 

[econsmagic]

Just made a simple table showing the stats for the past 10 years. average for 4th position should be 70 points. Currently Southampton are 10 games in with 22 points. So 28 games more to go to get 48 points. Looking at their fixtures:

Leicester (H)
Villa (A)
Man City (H)
Arsenal (A)
Man Utd (H)
Burnley (A)
Everton (H)
Crystal Palace (A)
Chelsea (H)
Arsenal (H)
Man Utd (A)
Newcastle (A)
Swansea (H)
QPR (A)
West Ham (H)
Liverpool (H)
West Brom (A)
Crystal palace (H)
Chelsea (A)
Burnley (H)
Everton (A)
Hull (H)
Stoke (A)
Tottenham (H)
Sunderland (A)
Leicester (A)
Villa (H)
City (A)

28 games - 48 points. They need about say 13 wins, 9 draws, 6 losses? I wouldn't say that would be too difficult. However they have 6 very big matches from 31 Nov to 31 Jan. This could be the point in which their form starts to deteriorate and their season turns for the worse.

For us, 28 games - 56 points.

Thats of course assuming that the average for the past 10 years would be anywhere near this season's top 4 points. Seems like the gap is starting to widen between the top teams and bottom teams.

I do believe cl will be around 72- 75 points. In order to qualify for cl, we need to go on a good run or either win cl or europa league

 

[cybertech]

Southampton so far their features rather kind to them - Only played against
Liverpool and Spurs and lost both for the top half teams at the table.
Their real test will be the upcoming features against Chelsea, Manc, Arsenal, Everton, Manu.