Upcoming R2R DAC: Schitt Yggdrasil

[Murcielago]

At the present moment it is already exceeding what master7 can deliver interms of resolution, spatial information, macro and micro dynamics.

However it's still abit tad bright sizzling, it grabbing your ears attention all the time with its lifelike immediate sound.

When everything is more settled, do try the Yggy with an external usb to spdif converter. In my experience, it adds a bit more body and smoothens the sound a bit.

 

[dqwong]

When everything is more settled, do try the Yggy with an external usb to spdif converter. In my experience, it adds a bit more body and smoothens the sound a bit.

Have tried with my Audio-byte Hydra X+ but via RCA Coax.

Still trying to find a good 0.5m AES/EBU 110ohm Digital cable.

 

[dqwong]

Listening to Michael Jackson's Smooth Criminal(1987)

I felt spooked out. Michael Jackson voice is shifting between infront of me and whispering right next to my ear.


Michael Jackson's Billie Jean:

The Shaker sound is omnipresent, moving back and forth through out the entire music. No other music element will mask the sound of the shaker.

Eagles's Hotel California:

Cymbals. I can hear an extended shimmering vibration going on and on forever to the very last bit of vibration. The cymbal sound seem to extend behind my ear.

 

[dqwong]

Really amazing USB latency performance:
192Khz: ASIO 6ms
88Khz: ASIO 4ms
44Khz: ASIO 2ms

 

[Murcielago]

Massive Attack's "Angel" is a glorious experience with the Yggy. That part where the electric guitar kicks in at 2:23

 

[Emerpus]

You can consider the MB Gungnir? It should be about 90% of what yggdrasil is capable of, for almost half the price?

I'll be cancelling my Yggy order and switching to a GMB/M2 Stack with a little change to spare

 

[dqwong]

Massive Attack's "Angel" is a glorious experience with the Yggy. That part where the electric guitar kicks in at 2:23

Although my Ygg is still burning in, the bass from that song is already causing me a headache.

Frankly the peak transient dynamics of this Ygg is already exceeding what I felt from ES9018S.

 

[dqwong]

I'll be cancelling my Yggy order and switching to a GMB/M2 Stack with a little change to spare

Get a schiit wyrd with the spare change!

Ygg vs Gumby:
http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,2737.0.html

 

[Guan22]

Yggdrasil: Getting Real Surround sound out of your Stereo PCM files without any DSP effects processing or Multi-channel Speakers.

Practically Binaural Sound coming from your speakers without using headphones or special recording.

That's really a very subjective claim, ain't it?

 

[rickysio]

Isn't that called a proper set up? Shame some have to spend megabucks to achieve that.

 

[dqwong]

haters gonna hate.

 

[Guan22]

haters gonna hate.

I dunch like sour grapes. I prefer Cat Mountain King.

In any case, nothing to be sour about, since I dunch rate Schiit products very highly. Nothing personal, just my preference.
As such, not a hater.

Thank.

 

[dqwong]

Hwzers, be the judge yourself.

Originally Posted by US Blues View Post

@mikiphile- I run Yggy with a speaker set-up, Yggy with speakers is certainly 3D in it's presentation of music. Iggy will fit quite nicely into the system you describe, Yggy goes away and leaves music, this is what we desire from a system.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/766347/schiit-yggdrasil-impressions-thread/270#post_11697570

Originally Posted by llkmi View Post

Same here - I run Yggy on speakers only and detail and uncanny 3d image & realism are Yggy's strong points.(Although I am not sure I could identify any low points - but those elements are the ones that really stick with you.)

http://www.head-fi.org/t/766347/schiit-yggdrasil-impressions-thread/270#post_11698042

Merv

I've auditioned Vega, Invicta, and Lampy 4, 5, and Big 5. Don't know how much more you need to know. Will keep it short. Vega is bright with robotic timbre and leanish bass; Invicta has body and tactility to hide SABREness, but is still slightly strident and gets quite congested in bass; Lampy has good tube implementation (good slam, clear, not distorted warm fuzzy ****), but this tube implementation shows poor DAC implementation - very digital with sibilance, stridency issues. Yggy is more resolving than any of those in terms of microdetail, and has best combination of slam/articulation.

Yggy is the most "3D" with depth and most precise imaging DAC that I have ever heard period. Some others are as good in terms of space (PWD2, Vega, M1, SFD-1) but not precision. This is via speakers using EC tube or Rag as amp. I have not heard TotalDAC. If TotalDAC has more depth, than awesome.

You may also want to check out HF. A few Yggy guys on HF have owned Vega, M7, PWD2, M1, M51, and all sorts of other DACs. You basically have to sort out the posts and see who is who, check their profiles, or just know the guys in question. Both Changstar and HF (DAC focused people) are kind of a smaller subset where a lot of info is communicated via PM.

http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,2047.msg68503.html#msg68503

 

[rickysio]

You're the ONLY one claiming you need Yggy to get REAL SURROUND SOUND.

I'm sorry for your prior purchases, because clearly they were never used appropriately.

 

[Guan22]

Hwzers, be the judge yourself.

Quote:
Originally Posted by US Blues View Post

@mikiphile- I run Yggy with a speaker set-up, Yggy with speakers is certainly 3D in it's presentation of music. Iggy will fit quite nicely into the system you describe, Yggy goes away and leaves music, this is what we desire from a system.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/766347/schi...#post_11697570
Quote:
Originally Posted by llkmi View Post

Same here - I run Yggy on speakers only and detail and uncanny 3d image & realism are Yggy's strong points.(Although I am not sure I could identify any low points - but those elements are the ones that really stick with you.)

http://www.head-fi.org/t/766347/schi...#post_11698042

Quote:
Merv

I've auditioned Vega, Invicta, and Lampy 4, 5, and Big 5. Don't know how much more you need to know. Will keep it short. Vega is bright with robotic timbre and leanish bass; Invicta has body and tactility to hide SABREness, but is still slightly strident and gets quite congested in bass; Lampy has good tube implementation (good slam, clear, not distorted warm fuzzy ****), but this tube implementation shows poor DAC implementation - very digital with sibilance, stridency issues. Yggy is more resolving than any of those in terms of microdetail, and has best combination of slam/articulation.

Yggy is the most "3D" with depth and most precise imaging DAC that I have ever heard period. Some others are as good in terms of space (PWD2, Vega, M1, SFD-1) but not precision. This is via speakers using EC tube or Rag as amp. I have not heard TotalDAC. If TotalDAC has more depth, than awesome.

You may also want to check out HF. A few Yggy guys on HF have owned Vega, M7, PWD2, M1, M51, and all sorts of other DACs. You basically have to sort out the posts and see who is who, check their profiles, or just know the guys in question. Both Changstar and HF (DAC focused people) are kind of a smaller subset where a lot of info is communicated via PM.

http://www.changstar.com/index.php/t....html#msg68503

No offence, but have it strike you that you might be trying too hard to justify your own buy or being too defensive?

 

[dqwong]

It's my money what you gonna do about it? I don't have to "defend" or "justify" my purchases anyway. Who are you anyway? My Wife? Do I have to answer my finances to you?

It seems like you misunderstood what I have said. Question is: How do you get real surround sound out of Stereo PCM files? I never said you "need" the yggdrasil. Sour grapes and full of it.

Ignore list added.

 

[Guan22]

It's my money what you gonna do about it? I don't have to "defend" or "justify" my purchases anyway. Who are you anyway? My Wife? Do I have to answer my finances to you?

It seems like you misunderstood what I have said. Question is: How do you get real surround sound out of Stereo PCM files? I never said you "need" the yggdrasil. Sour grapes and full of it.

Ignore list added.

We are not eight years olds fighting in a playground. It's your money and no one have any business lecturing you on how you spend it, least of all me.

Neither am I teaching your father how to f*ck your mother. I am in no position to lecture you on "how to get real surround sound out of Stereo PCM files".

Feel free to add me on your ignore list coz it doesn't affect me in any way; I won't suffer nor will I lose any sleep coz of it. In fact, I encourage you to add me onto your ignore list so that I don't have to see "not very bright" posts, so that my friends and I will have less laugh over it.

Have a good evening and enjoy the rest of your day. Tata.

 

[Mach3.2]

We are not eight years olds fighting in a playground. It's your money and no one have any business lecturing you on how you spend it, least of all me.

Neither am I teaching your father how to f*ck your mother. I am in no position to lecture you on "how to get real surround sound out of Stereo PCM files".

Feel free to add me on your ignore list coz it doesn't affect me in any way; I won't suffer nor will I lose any sleep coz of it. In fact, I encourage you to add me onto your ignore list so that I don't have to see "not very bright" posts, so that my friends and I will have less laugh over it.

Have a good evening and enjoy the rest of your day. Tata.

 

[dqwong]

ELI5 FAQ:

Are you saying that I NEED to buy this expensive 2channel Yggdrasil DAC to get REAL^ surround sound out of Stereo files/sources?:

Answer: NO.

There's 101 ways to do something. Please don't go buy Yggdrasil just because you want "real surround".

You can get surround sound with a dedicated 4/5.1/6.1/7.1 surround setup. Or you can use special dsp effects to get virtual surround sound from 2 Channel/headphones.

The Yggdrasil is a stereo dac that has the added ability* to get really real#^ and good sounding surround sound(aka 3D sound) out of 2.0 stereo files without using DSP effects. Not many other dacs that I know of(maybe except MB Gungnir) can do this as well at the price point. And of course, Yggdrasil is not the only dac that can do this, surely there are others out there as well.

*provided you are using speakers, your other gears in the chain are good^ enough and your ears/brain are capable of resolving/hearing surround. And of course your music source files must be well recorded(microphone placement/mixing etc) to begin with.

#Real as compared to 2ch virtual surround, Virtual surround is unreliable and doesn't always sound good/real^ enough in certain music. Yggdrasil's "Surround" works in ALL well recorded music.

^Good, Real or fake is in the ear of the beholder

This is wrong, you are wasting money, you are lying, you don't know what you are talking about, you are stupid etc etc:
Go F*ck youself. I don't buy stereo dac to try and do "real surround".

 

[rickysio]

ELI5 FAQ:

Are you saying that I NEED to buy this expensive 2channel Yggdrasil DAC to get REAL^ surround sound out of Stereo files/sources?:

Answer: NO.

There's 101 ways to do something. Please don't go buy Yggdrasil just because you want "real surround".

You can get surround sound with a dedicated 4/5.1/6.1/7.1 surround setup. Or you can use special dsp effects to get virtual surround sound from 2 Channel/headphones.

The Yggdrasil is a stereo dac that has the added ability* to get really real#^ and good sounding surround sound(aka 3D sound) out of 2.0 stereo files without using DSP effects. Not many other dacs that I know of(maybe except MB Gungnir) can do this as well at the price point. And of course, Yggdrasil is not the only dac that can do this, surely there are others out there as well.

*provided you are using speakers, your other gears in the chain are good^ enough and your ears/brain are capable of resolving/hearing surround. And of course your music source files must be well recorded(microphone placement/mixing etc) to begin with.

#Real as compared to 2ch virtual surround, Virtual surround is unreliable and doesn't always sound good/real^ enough in certain music. Yggdrasil's "Surround" works in ALL well recorded music.

^Good, Real or fake is in the ear of the beholder

This is wrong, you are wasting money, you are lying, you don't know what you are talking about, you are stupid etc etc:
Go F*ck youself. I don't buy stereo dac to try and do "real surround".

Please seek help if you need it.