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jesterkoh

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Hi kenwongyl, I'm just curious on how you trade.

Which session do you trade in? With maximum 12 pip stop loss how do u handle illiquid market environments where market maker can just easily fill your stop loss order by sweeping zones.

Also, which broker do you use? How much leverage u use on average and how long have u been trading using this system/method?

Just curious, thanks.
 

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Hey guys,

Have been going through a few forums to do some due diligence on sixcapital and I thought that I might contribute some of my thoughts on it. Please dun bother flaming me as I dun really care but I am going to make a few assumptions and pointers and anybody who has gone through the sixcapital course is more then welcome to correct me.

First things first, $3500 may seem quite steep but I do have to say it does consist of 4 months of training and mentorship. There are quite a few online courses out there that goes for $2k or more and all you get is a few dvds and a manual.

But then again, I believe prop firms should never charge their trainees a fee to train them. I do not buy the idea of paying $3500 for the the chance to trade live for them after the course. Sixcapital should have confidence in their ability to turn all their trainees into good traders and not ask for $3500 as collateral.

My next point and question I want to bring up is that when you go live while still in the course, do you have to fund your own account on top of the $3500 course fees? If that is the case, how much must you put in to open a live account? This makes the actual cost of the whole course potentially much more than $3500.

My final and most important point I like to bring up is with Sixcapital's broker Dukascopy. They are reputable and I use them as they are ECN, but one thing so far no one has brought up is the introducing agent program. You can read about it here:
http://www.dukascopy.com/swiss/english/ia/classicIA/

Under that scheme, dukascopy will give back 50% of commissions back to the introducing agent as rebates for each trade so long as the trader nominates them as an introducing agent. Most introducing agents would then pass back 90-98% of the rebates back to the trader and keep 2-10% of it for themselves. Hence the question. Does Sixcapital give back any of the rebates to the trainee? I am pretty sure that Sixcapital is definitely involved in the introducing agent scheme but do not know how much they give back to the traders.

So lets break it down. Dukascopy charges $48 per 1 million traded although it gets less if volume increases. So by requiring to do 14 trades a day at 100000 or 1 lot per trade, everyday the minimum trade size is 2.8 million (14 round trips) which equates to around $135 in commissions. If Sixcapital gets half of it back as rebates, every month (assuming 20 working days) would net them $1350 in rebates per trader. Not too shabby imo. Not to mention sixcapital would also get rebates for all the self-funded trading accounts the trainees would potentially have to open during the course. Even if you go live and are officially invited to trade Sixcapital's money, they will probably fund your acount with your $3500 as well as those who did not manage to qualify.

Hence it is a win-win situation for sixcapital imo. If you make money, they take a cut of it. If you lose money, it is your own money anyway or someone elses and sixcapital would probably fire u once u reach a certain drawdown. And all the while they are collecting rebates so if u break even, you take home nothing and sixcapital still wins. There are a few prop firms out there that make money via rebates and somehow I think sixcapital might be another one.

Thus to conclude, unless you have conviction that you are going to succeed or have too much spare cash to spend, then do join them as there is no limit to how much top traders can make. Otherwise, you are better off learning yourself or taking those professional courses with SGX academy. Those courses are run by professional traders who are well-known in the local trading scene and if you make an effort to learn and to get to know the trainers well, they might invite you to trade for them or refer and recommend you to other prop firms which belong to someone they know. A lot of these trading jobs dun get advertised as it is all kept within the circle which is why you need to make contacts to get in.

Anyway that is my 2 cents worth. I might be wrong on the rebates thing so anyone from sixcapital who knows otherwise is more than welcome to correct me.

Cheers
 
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Having been in the FX trading business for 5 yrs+ and still going, one thing for sure is that FX as mentioned by other members here is no easy task. Looking back at the 5 years spent on FX (part-time while in NS cause I stayed out, full-time for the other 3 yrs whilst I was studying part-time), I asked myself one simple question. What have I achieved? Frankly, I can announce to everyone, one broke account after the other (I think something like over 5 accounts as of now?). The reason why I'm still in this is simple, I got to find something to do, because I can't find a darn proper employment yet.

This topic interested me because I too, had applied for the position of the "Prop Trader" at Sixth Capital, but after going through the many forums, I presume, ta-da.. No employment for me.

Reading the previous posts were pretty much interesting to me, especially the fact that I had tried both scalping, intraday and positional trading. And of course, scalping, is totally BS. I mean, why bother doing it when you could get your autobot to do it. And yes, I've got an autobot running for my scalps. Works wonders cause it gives me 10 consecutive wins and 1 loss to wipe out all wins and there I am back to square one. Hence, I'm pretty much amazed at how one of the members here actually could sustain scalping with approx <15pips of stop loss? I salute him for his effort.

Another member has mentioned positional trading/intraday trading, and showed his trading account. That's what I would truly call respect. Given that amount of pips (before questioning his account size) is pretty remarkable. I've to agree that intraday trading/positional trading is very much the way to go. Looking at the pips he makes, makes absolute sense. That's what trading is all about, little time invested in actually clicking on the mouse but absolutely good returns. By that, I do not mean little time spent on your charts because it takes less than 10 seconds to execute your trade and another 10 seconds to set your SLs and ***. I mean, the actual time involvement in ensuring your direction is correct, all it takes is one correct bias and that absolutely makes your whole trade work.

Right now I'm already semi-auto trading, meaning I've got my bots running and doing manually trading myself still. But hell, markets are breaking loose nowadays. And it's completely mad. So I tend to review my bias every 2 to 3 days.

Sixth Capital had kinda gotten back to me on the "career briefing" and I guess even after all these things I read online, I know its not real but heck I'm unemployed so I've got lots of time in the world. But anyone heard of the other prop firm Jaycee Capital? Seems like the real deal. Not very sure so yes, any advice is deeply appreciated!
 

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Was curious and went down for the briefing yesterday. Did my due diligence and all I can find is negativity.

Anyway, just wanted to share this from jobstreet.


SIX CAPITAL™ is a proprietary forex trading firm headquartered in Singapore.

We are looking for a highly motivated candidate with over 4 years sales experience to join our Sales team.

Singaporeans/Foreigners are eligible (EP will be provided).

Senior Sales Manager
(Singapore)

Responsibilities:
  • To market our flagship Trainee Dealers Programme and Forex Workshops to individuals who attend our previews.
  • To build partnerships & alliances with training institutions.
  • Passion and ability to lead a sales team
Requirements:
  • The opportunity to join an exponentially growing company and to work with a very ambitious team in one of the most exciting and fastest growing industries in the world.
They're selling the course isn't it?
 

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Came across this job ad in jobstreet

Traders (Forex and Financial Futures)
(Singapore - Central)



Responsibilities:


Are you passionate, vibrant, highly motivated individual who is committed towards performance excellence? We are able to offer you the opportunities to meet your career aspirations. We are seeking individuals to trade our client firm's capital in a dynamic trading environment, new traders without experience are welcome.

You will be part of the trading team, performing analysis of financial markets to support the management of our clients’ capital. Your key responsibility is to develop investment strategies based on economy, industry and company analysis, in particular the ability to identifying trends. In addition, you will be involved in monitoring and rebalancing of clients’ portfolios, portfolio attribution analysis, preparation of reports and ad-hoc projects.

Requirements:

Able to work independently and in a team
Has self-discipline
Self-motivated
Very ambitious
Able to tolerate mental stress
Have interests in the financial markets
Fresh graduates/Entry level applicants are encouraged to apply



I applied online using jobstreet, and was invited down to interview , but the interview is a few days later.

Wonder if anybody knows of this type of job


did u get the job in the end?
 

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Dont understand why you must pay to get trained in order to get a job. Isnt it the responsibility of the company to groom its own talent?
 

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Jaycee Capital is a proper prop firm.

They are not hiring at the moment though.
 

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My next point and question I want to bring up is that when you go live while still in the course, do you have to fund your own account on top of the $3500 course fees? If that is the case, how much must you put in to open a live account? This makes the actual cost

They said you will trade with a demo acct initially, after that you must fund a USD 1000 live account with Dukascopy. I don't know what happens if you lose the USD 1000.
 

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no i did not. i guess i was not experience enough so i was rejected, i am still reading up on forex, and hope to trade demo in a few months time

hi, care to share the compensation package they were offering?
is this agency trading or proprietary? i noticed tht the ad mention something regarding client's portfolio
 

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Hey guys,

Have been going through a few forums to do some due diligence on sixcapital and I thought that I might contribute some of my thoughts on it. Please dun bother flaming me as I dun really care but I am going to make a few assumptions and pointers and anybody who has gone through the sixcapital course is more then welcome to correct me.

First things first, $3500 may seem quite steep but I do have to say it does consist of 4 months of training and mentorship. There are quite a few online courses out there that goes for $2k or more and all you get is a few dvds and a manual.

But then again, I believe prop firms should never charge their trainees a fee to train them. I do not buy the idea of paying $3500 for the the chance to trade live for them after the course. Sixcapital should have confidence in their ability to turn all their trainees into good traders and not ask for $3500 as collateral.

My next point and question I want to bring up is that when you go live while still in the course, do you have to fund your own account on top of the $3500 course fees? If that is the case, how much must you put in to open a live account? This makes the actual cost of the whole course potentially much more than $3500.

My final and most important point I like to bring up is with Sixcapital's broker Dukascopy. They are reputable and I use them as they are ECN, but one thing so far no one has brought up is the introducing agent program. You can read about it here:
http://www.dukascopy.com/swiss/english/ia/classicIA/

Under that scheme, dukascopy will give back 50% of commissions back to the introducing agent as rebates for each trade so long as the trader nominates them as an introducing agent. Most introducing agents would then pass back 90-98% of the rebates back to the trader and keep 2-10% of it for themselves. Hence the question. Does Sixcapital give back any of the rebates to the trainee? I am pretty sure that Sixcapital is definitely involved in the introducing agent scheme but do not know how much they give back to the traders.

So lets break it down. Dukascopy charges $48 per 1 million traded although it gets less if volume increases. So by requiring to do 14 trades a day at 100000 or 1 lot per trade, everyday the minimum trade size is 2.8 million (14 round trips) which equates to around $135 in commissions. If Sixcapital gets half of it back as rebates, every month (assuming 20 working days) would net them $1350 in rebates per trader. Not too shabby imo. Not to mention sixcapital would also get rebates for all the self-funded trading accounts the trainees would potentially have to open during the course. Even if you go live and are officially invited to trade Sixcapital's money, they will probably fund your acount with your $3500 as well as those who did not manage to qualify.

Hence it is a win-win situation for sixcapital imo. If you make money, they take a cut of it. If you lose money, it is your own money anyway or someone elses and sixcapital would probably fire u once u reach a certain drawdown. And all the while they are collecting rebates so if u break even, you take home nothing and sixcapital still wins. There are a few prop firms out there that make money via rebates and somehow I think sixcapital might be another one.

Thus to conclude, unless you have conviction that you are going to succeed or have too much spare cash to spend, then do join them as there is no limit to how much top traders can make. Otherwise, you are better off learning yourself or taking those professional courses with SGX academy. Those courses are run by professional traders who are well-known in the local trading scene and if you make an effort to learn and to get to know the trainers well, they might invite you to trade for them or refer and recommend you to other prop firms which belong to someone they know. A lot of these trading jobs dun get advertised as it is all kept within the circle which is why you need to make contacts to get in.

Anyway that is my 2 cents worth. I might be wrong on the rebates thing so anyone from sixcapital who knows otherwise is more than welcome to correct me.

Cheers


Thanks for the info.. very useful
 

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dodgy stuff la....if its as good as it seems..they wouldnt need to keep advertising...
 

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Feel like visiting them. Anyone interested?

I agree with what Wolfnet and it is very factual.

Cheers
InvTraKS
 
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Just signed up for their Free Forex Education Seminar. Join me :)

Just Just signed up for their Free Forex Education Seminar via their homepage. My main objective is to check the team behind and what they offer. Keep you guy posted soon :)

Cheers
InvtraKS
 
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With the know how is one thing. Able to do what you know is another thing.

How many times have you kick yourself for not doing what you know?
 
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