10G Capable router with SFP+ WAN or WAN/LAN port, Switch and VQ XGS-PON ONU Stick

[xiaofan]

Start this thread to talk about routers with SFP+ ports, as well network switch with SFP+ port to be used with the router.

10G capable routers without SFP+ ports are not the topics in this thread.
Examples with dual 10G copper ports:
Asus ROG GT-BE98, ZenWiFi BQ16, GT-AXE16000;
TP-Link Archer BE805, TP-Link HB810 (for Singtel), TP-Link China TL-7TR13090;
Netgear Nighthawk RS700S, Netgear Orbi 970;
eero Max 7;
QNAP QHora-301W with WiFi 6, QNAP QHora-322 without WiFi but 3 x 10GBe ports;
etc.

Please go to the other thread to talk about 5G/10G capable router and switch without SFP+ ports.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...and-switch-rj45-version-no-sfp-ports.7072646/

It will be good for people who use the new VQ issued Huawei OptiXstar S800E XGS-PON ONU stick to report the success or failure of using a router or switch with the Huawei ONU stick.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...-simba-and-vq.6930337/page-184#post-153087706

Thanks bro. For doing this call on behalf of all HBP bro like me lol

2nd day of launch. So I assume they didn’t do a lot of pre-training or Q&A scripts.

To be fair, sfp+ Optical Transceiver hands off is not a common ISP consumer offering. So it’s not wrong to assume a modem is required.

I see that as a progression of our internet broadband offering and the price point for this offering is certainly very exciting for power users. I remember quite a few members here were asking for sfp+ optical hands off option after SI consumer broadband was sold to VQ. Glad VQ manage to commoditize it at such price point.

@xiaofan , time to create a new thread on SFP+ option router

Earlier discussions:
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/replace-ont-modem-into-router-with-sfp.6987096/

VQ is now providing the option to use an XGS-PON ONU stick (no need an ONT/ONR) for their XGS-PON based 3Gbps/5Gbps/10Gbps plan.
https://viewqwest.com/sg/residential/faq/about-sfp/

Q: What is SFP+ and the model provided by ViewQwest?
A: SFP+ is a compact, hot-pluggable transceiver designed for telecommunications and data communications. It supports high-speed data rates of up to 10Gbps.

ViewQwest provide the Huawei OptiXstar S800E - S800EXGS01, a miniature Optical Network Unit (ONU). This unit can be inserted into the SFP+ port of routers or network devices to enable 10-Gigabit-capable Symmetric Passive Optical Network (XGS-PON) access, suitable for high-definition video transmission or high-performance networking applications.

Q: Can I use the Huawei OptiXstar S800E with any router or network equipment?
A: The Huawei OptiXstar S800E is compatible with many routers and network devices that support GPON or XGSPON technology. However, it's essential to verify compatibility with your specific equipment.

Q: What devices provided by ViewQwest are compatible with the Huawei OptiXstar S800E?
A: The devices offered by ViewQwest that support the Huawei OptiXstar S800E include the Ubiquiti Dream Machine SE and the ASUS RT-AX89X.

BTW, this is also applicable for those who use GPON Stick to replace ISP's ONT/ONR for 1Gbps/2Gbps/2.5Gbps plan.

XGS-PON Stick is usually quite expensive so nobody has done the replacement of XGS-PON ONT/ONR with their own XGS-PON Stick previously. But now VQ is the first one to provide this option for power users. Not so sure if any other ISPs will follow (unlikely).

More about ONT/ONR replacement using GPON stick.ONU.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...nd-onr-bridging.6938685/page-3#post-152058800

 

[xiaofan]

Related threads:
1) 10Gbe and 5Gbe Network adapter and SFP+ modules (10G RJ45 modules and 10G optic modules).
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/1gbe-and-beyond-ethernet-adapters.7068236

2) WiFi 7 router (some of them are 10G capable, many of them are 2.5G capable)
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...-7-routers-without-6ghz-band-support.6905228/

3) Network and WiFi configuration for 5Gbps/6Gbps/10Gbps plans
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...urations-for-5gbps-6gbps-10gbps-plan.7073159/

4) Home Lab and 10G Home Network
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...projects-include-10g-network-upgrade.6341518/

 

[xiaofan]

Consumer routers: (to be confirmed: whether they will work with VQ XGS-PON ONU Stick or not)
All of the following have one more 10GBASE-T along with the SFP+ port (some routers have SFP+/RJ45 combo port)

1) TP-Link Archer BE900, quad band BE24000
• 1× 10 Gbps WAN/LAN
• 1× 10 Gbps SFP+/RJ45 WAN/LAN Internet Port
• 4× 2.5 Gbps LAN
• 1× 1 Gbps LAN

2) TP-Link Archer BE800, triband BE19000
• 1× 10 Gbps WAN/LAN
• 1× 10 Gbps SFP+/RJ45 Combo WAN/LAN
• 4× 2.5 Gbps LAN

3) TP-Link EB810v (locked to Starhub for FW updates), triband BE22000
1× 10GE/SFP+ Combo WAN port
1× 10GE LAN port
3× 2.5GE LAN ports

4) TP-LInk Deco BE85, triband BE22000 [Deco BE95 quadband BE33000 not available in Singapore]
• 1× 10 Gbps
• 1× 10 Gbps SFP+/RJ45 Combo
• 2× 2.5 Gbps
Supports WAN/LAN auto-sensing

5) Asus RT-BE88U, dual band BE7200, no 6GHz band [as of now only available from China]
1 x 10Gbps for WAN/LAN
1 x 10Gbps SFP+ for WAN
1 x 2.5Gbps for WAN/LAN,
3 x 2.5 Gbps for LAN,
4 x RJ45 10/100/1000Mbps for WAN/LAN

6) Xiaomi BE10000, triband BE10000, no 6GHz band, [as of now only available from China]
4×10/100/1000/2500M WAN/LAN
1×10/100/1000/2500/5000/10000M WAN/LAN
1×1000M/2500M/10000M SFP+ WAN/LAN

7) Asus RT-AX89X
RJ45 for 10Gbps BaseT for WAN/LAN x 1,
RJ45 for 1Gbps BaseT for LAN x 8,
RJ45 for 1Gbps BaseT for WAN x 1
SFP+ x 1 for WAN/LAN

8) TP-Link Archer AXE300
• 1× 10 Gbps RJ45/SFP+ Combo WAN/LAN Port
• 1× 10 Gbps WAN/LAN Port,
• 1× 2.5 Gbps WAN/LAN Port
• 4× 1 Gbps LAN Ports

9) TP-Link Archer GE800, triband BE19000
• 1× 10 Gbps WAN/LAN
• 1× 10 Gbps SFP+/RJ45 Combo WAN
• 2× 2.5 Gbps LAN
• 4× 1 Gbps LAN

 

[xiaofan]

Small business routers: (to be confirmed: whether they will work with VQ XGS-PON ONU Stick or not)

1. Ubiquiti UDM SE and UDM Pro, UDM Pro Max and EFG

a) UDM Pro
(1) 10G SFP+*, (8) GbE RJ45 LAN ports
(1) 10G SFP+*, (1) GbE RJ45 WAN ports
3.5+ Gbps routing with IDS/IPS

b) UDM SE

(1) 10G SFP+*, (8) GbE RJ45 LAN ports including (2) PoE+, and (6) PoE
(1) 10G SFP+*, (1) 2.5 GbE RJ45 WAN ports
3.5+ Gbps routing with IDS/IPS

UDM SE is also offerd by VQ as one of the options for VQ10Gbps plan with router bundle.

c) Unifi Dream Wall (WiFi 6 integrated) is also an option.
(1) 10G SFP+*, (17) GbE RJ45 LAN ports including (4) PoE++, (4) PoE+, and (4) PoE ports
(1) 10G SFP+*, (1) 2.5 GbE RJ45 WAN ports
3.5+ Gbps routing with IDS/IPS

d) UDM Pro Max
(1) 10G SFP+*, (8) GbE RJ45 LAN ports
(1) 10G SFP+*, (1) 2.5 GbE RJ45 WAN port
5 Gbps routing with IDS/IPS

e) EFG (high end, 25G capable)

(2) 25G SFP28**, (2) 10G SFP+**
and (2) 2.5 GbE RJ45 ports (two interfaces remappable to WAN)
12.5 Gbps routing with IDS/IPS

Please refer to the Unifi thread.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/new-ubiquiti-setup-still-a-work-in-progress.5680023/

f) Unifi Cloud Gateway Fiber (UCG-Fiber), new
Default WAN Ports
(1) 10G SFP+
(1) 10 GbE RJ45

LAN Ports
(1) 10G SFP+
(4) 2.5 GbE RJ45

IDS/IPS Throughput
5 Gbps

g) Unifi Dream Router 7 (UDR7), only one 10G port, more suitable for 2.5Gbps/3Gbos/5Gbps/6Gbps Fibre internet.

Default WAN Ports
(1) 10G SFP+
(1) 2.5 GbE RJ45

LAN Ports
(3) 2.5 GbE RJ45 including (1) PoE

IDS/IPS Throughput
2.3 Gbps

h) UniFi Express 7 (UX7), only one 10G WAN port and one 2.5G LAN port, more suitable for 2.5Gbps/3Gbos Fibre internet.
Default WAN Ports
(1) 10 GbE RJ45

LAN Ports
(1) 2.5 GbE RJ45

IDS/IPS Throughput
2.3 Gbps

2. MikroTik
1) CCR2004-16G-2S+ and CCR2004-16G-2S+PC
Two SFP+ ports and 16 x 1G ports

2) CCR2004-1G-12S+2XS
12 x 10G SFP+ ports and 2 x 25G SFP28 ports.

3) CCR2116-12G-4S+
4 x SFP+ ports and 13 x 1G ports

Discussion about the limitation of MikroTik CCR2004 series to be used with 10Gbps plan.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...s-include-10g-network-upgrade.6341518/page-12

3. TP-Link Omada
1) ER8411
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/business-networking/omada-router-wired-router/er8411/
• 2× 10GE SFP+ Ports (1 WAN, 1 WAN/LAN)
• 1× 1GE SFP WAN/LAN Ports
• 8× 1GE RJ45 WAN/LAN Ports
• 1× RJ45 Console Ports
• 2× USB Ports (Connecting 4G/3G Modem as WAN Backup)

4. Netgate appliances
Netgate 6100, 8200 and 8300

5. TP-Link China 10G (Small) Enterprise Router
TL-ER2260T (512MB RAM only)
TL-ER5120T (512MB RAM only)
TL-ER6220T (1GB RAM)
TL-ER7520T (2GB RAM)

6. ARM development boards
Banana Pi BPI-R4

 

[xiaofan]

PC based solution to run pfSense/OPNsense/OpenWRT (to be confirmed: whether they will work with VQ XGS-PON ONU Stick or not)

1. Desktop PC -- adding a 10G NIC with dual or quad SFP+ ports

More discussions on the 10G NICs to be used.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...projects-include-10g-network-upgrade.6341518/

2. Mini PC with dual or more SFP+ ports:
1) Gowin R86S N (Intel N100/N305 based)
R86S N305B -- dual SFP+ ports based on Intel 82599ES chipset
R86S N305C -- dual NVIDIA Mellanox ConnectX-4 25Gbps

2) Gowin R86S G4 (Intel N6005 CPU)
Dual NVIDIA Mellanox ConnectX-3

3) Minroute R1 N100/N305, or R1 Pro with N150/N355
Dual SFP+ ports based on Intel 82599ES chipset
https://www.miniroute.cn/product.html?id=35

4) Minisforum MS-01 (Intel Core i5-12600H, Core i9-12900H, Core i9-13900H)
https://store.minisforum.com/products/minisforum-ms-01
Dual SFP+ ports based on Intel X710 chipset

Or Minisforum MS-A2 (AMD Ryzen 9 7945H or Ryzen 9 9955HX)
https://www.minisforum.com/products/minisforum-ms-a2
Dual SFP+ ports based on Intel X710 chipset

5) Other mini PCs with U300E/12th/13th gen CPU and dual SFP+ ports
Example from CWWK:
https://cwwk.net/products/13th-gen-...ata-firewall-appliance-mini-pc-proxmox-server

6) Atom C3758R based mini PC or Firewall appliances (usually 4 SFP+ ports)
Example:
https://www.qotom.net/product/RouterPC_Q20331G91U.html
https://www.qotom.net/product/RouterPC_Q20331G9S10.html

 

[xiaofan]

1. Low cost 10G SFP+ RJ45 modules
1) 10Gtek --> 10Gtek Taobao shop lists Asus (and Xiaomi) in the list of compatible brands

10Gtek is a good shop to check out, at RMB198. They have the ability to check compatibility with different brand, including TP-Link China or Global version.

【淘宝】大促价保 http://e.tb.cn/h.TaLf65sJjvRHMKM?tk=SNmP3qOryRN CZ3456 「万兆SFP+电口光模块RJ45光转电转换10G光口转电口模块自适应兼容5/2.5/1.25G锐捷思科华为H3C小米10Gbase-T」
点击链接直接打开 或者 淘宝搜索直接打开

They have English website as well.
https://www.10gtek.com/transceiver

2) You can also try the following Taobao shop mentioned earlier in this page. The shop offers low temperature module. You can check with them about the compatibility with RT-BE88U.

Sharing a good SFP 10gbE adapter. Found something that has only 1.35W output. Haven't tested on full load but this runs pretty cool on my UDM-PRO at only 40 degrees. Able to achieve 10gbE link on a 30m CAT6A cable. EDIT: meant to say my PCIe PC adapter is using AQC113 chipset.

(Select the 1.35W version).
【淘宝】7天无理由退货 http://e.tb.cn/h.gyXmiIXX8QFHVn7?tk=YXRp3M6VE9m HU9196 「万兆光转电10G光电转换兼容intel华为电口模块SFP转RJ45 Mikrotik」
点击链接直接打开 或者 淘宝搜索直接打开

3) Asus China also recommends some brands of SFP+ 10G RJ45 modules if you ask their Taobao shop. One users mentioned about the recommended SFP+ RJ45 modules for Asus RT-BE88U by Asus China. He has also posted the recommended 10G SFP+ RJ45 module for Xiaomi BE10000 by Xiaomi China.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/simba-fibre-broadband.6883466/page-144#post-154277796

On a separate note:

Xiaomi China recommends these two SFP+ to 10G RJ45 modules for Xiaomi BE10000:

1. Zhong Ke Optoelectronics 中科光电 ZK-10G-TX (10G) with support for auto-negotiation (1G, 2.5G, 5G, 10G)
2. ADOP SFP-10G-T-AQR (10G) with support for auto-negotiation (1G, 2.5G, 5G, 10G)

ASUS China recommends this SFP+ to 10G RJ45 adaptor for ASUS RT-BE88U:

1. TP-Link TL-SM510U with support for auto-negotiation (1G, 2.5G, 10G)

Hope this helps!

2. XGS-PON ONU Stick vs normal XGS-PON ONT/ONR

1)Typical connection with XGS-PON ONU Stick:
FTP -- Fibre cable -- Router with SFP+ port with XGS-PON ONU stick as main router

If the router has two SFP+ port, the other SFP+ port can be used as LAN port and connect to a switch with SFP+ using DAC cable or Fibre cable.
Router SFP+ LAN port -- DAC cable or Fibre cable -- Switch (2.5G switch or 10G switch) with SFP+ uplink

2) Normal connections with XGS-PON ONT/ONR
FTP -- XGS-PON ONT or budged ONR -- Router with SFP+ WAN Port (need to add SFP+ 10G copper module)

For nomal connections, if the router has SFP+ LAN port, it can be connected to a switch with SFP+ using DAC cable or Fibre cable.
Router SFP+ LAN port -- DAC cable or Fibre cable -- Switch (2.5G switch or 10G switch) with SFP+ uplink

Since we are taking about powerful router here, I tend to think it does not make too much sense to use unbridged ONR and live with Double NAT.

3) There is a successful story to use 3rd party XGS-PON ONU Stick to replace ISP's ONT.

 

[xiaofan]

1. Pure 10G SFP+ switches

TP-Link China TL-ST1008F, unmanaged switch
TP-Link China TL-ST5008F, layer 3 managed switch

Hasivo F1100W-8SX-SE, lightly managed switch

XikeStor SKS8300-8X Layer 3 managed switch

Siri-vision SR-ST1808F unamaned
Sir-vision SR-ST3808F managed

TP-Link JetStream TL-SX3008F

MikroTik CRS305-1G-4S+IN, 4x SFP+ managed switch with one extea 1GbE (PoE input)
MikroTik CRS309-1G-8S+IN, 8x SFP+ managed switch

Ubiquiti USW-Aggregation

2. Mixed 10G SFP+ and 10G RJ45 switches

Hasivo F1100W-4SX-4XGT, quad 10G SFP+ ports, quad 10G RJ45 ports, managed
Hasivo F1100WP-4SX-4XGT, quad 10G SFP+ ports, quad 10G RJ45 ports, managed PoE

XikeStor SKS7300-4X4T, quad 10G SFP+ ports, quad 10G RJ45 ports.

Siri-vision SR-ST1408F, quad 10G SFP+ ports, quad 10G RJ45 ports, unmanaged
Siri-vision SR-ST3408F, quad 10G SFP+ ports, quad 10G RJ45 ports. managed

3. Pure 10G RJ45 switches --> please refer to the other thread talking about router/switch with 10G RJ45 ports (Post #4). They are usually more expensive than the corresponding switches in the above two categories.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...and-switch-rj45-version-no-sfp-ports.7072646/

 

[Xherion]

Do you have experience with AX89X? Good value Wifi6 router with 10Gbe WAN/LAN and SFP+, plus 8 Gbe ports

 

[xiaofan]

Do you have experience with AX89X? Good value Wifi6 router with 10Gbe WAN/LAN and SFP+, plus 8 Gbe ports

I put a question mark with Asus RT-AX89X because if it not very clear to me whether the SFP+ can be uased as WAN port. I think it is a decent option with 10Gbps plans.

 

[leeivan86]

Deco be95 and deco be85 can support this onu stick right? These 2 mesh have a sfp and rj45 combo port. Amazon US has a sweet prime day deal for 3 pack be85 for 899usd now.

 

[xiaofan]

Deco be95 and deco be85 can support this onu stick right? These 2 mesh have a sfp and rj45 combo port. Amazon US has a sweet prime day deal for 3 pack be85 for 899usd now.

As of now, only UDM SE and TP-Link Archer GE900 are mentioned to be working. Better wait a while to get more info to see the compatibility of the XGS-PON ONU.

BTW, Deco BE95 may not work in Singapore (quad band with dual 6GHz band). It has been listed as "Coming Soon" for very long by TP-Link Singapore.
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/home-networking/deco/deco-be95/

 

[leeivan86]

The prime day deal only last for 2 days only and the pricing compared to local prices is worlds apart

 

[leeivan86]

As of now, only UDM SE and TP-Link Archer GE900 are mentioned to be working. Better wait a while to get more info to see the compatibility of the XGS-PON ONU.

BTW, Deco BE95 may not work in Singapore (quad band with dual 6GHz band). It has been listed as "Coming Soon" for very long by TP-Link Singapore.
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/home-networking/deco/deco-be95/

This will be interesting also to see which variant of Asus bq 16 that we get. The pro or non pro versions. Pro version has dual band 6ghz

 

[kukathe]

TP-LINK TL-ER2260T (2 * SFP+) should work with ONU stick

 

[xiaofan]

This will be interesting also to see which variant of Asus bq 16 that we get. The pro or non pro versions. Pro version has dual band 6ghz

That has been confirmed, no Asus ZenWiFi BQ16 Pro for Singapore, only BQ16 (S$899, available for quite a while already).

 

[yosemi]

PC based solution to run pfSense/OPNsense/OpenWRT (to be confirmed: whether they will work with VQ XGS-PON ONU Stick or not)

1. Desktop PC -- add a single/dual 10G NIC with SFP+ ports

2. Mini PC:
1) R86S N (N305 based)
2) R86S G
3) Minroute
4) Minisforum MS-01

if option 1 work, this will be game changer man...

 

[xiaofan]

if option 1 work, this will be game changer man...

Option 1 and 2 are the same in reality, just different form factor, normal desktop PC and mini desktop PC.

I tend to believe both will work.

You will need to install pfSense/OPNsense/OpenWRT/MikroTik RouteOS/etc, either bare metal, or as a virtual machine on top of virtualization platform (eg: PVE, ESXi, xcp-ng, unraid, etc).

 

[GlassDoor]

can consider bpi-r4 as well... filogic 880.. so reasonably speedy
but more for diyers willing to get hand dirty. but plus side is cheap and highly adaptable.

edit 1:
forget to add .. very cool running and passive cooling works well. also very power efficient.

edit 2:
bpi-r4 does not work with huawei s800e directly. the module does not power up properly.
however you can use get one of those cheapo realtek switches with 4X 2.5Gbe and 2Xsfp+ and use it like a "media" changer.

 

[gundamkitten]

Based on what I can find and from reports in these forums:

Asus RT-BE88U

• Asus RT-BE88U is available via China ecommerce
• available via Amazon Germany, but marked as cannot ship to Singapore
• will be available in USA, based on BHPhotoVideo listing.
• dunno about Singapore local availability

 

[LiLAsN]

Based on what I can find and from reports in these forums:

Asus RT-BE88U

• Asus RT-BE88U is available via China ecommerce
• available via Amazon Germany, but marked as cannot ship to Singapore
• will be available in USA, based on BHPhotoVideo listing.
• dunno about Singapore local availability

It's available to import from China on Shopee too.

From 2 stores so far. So that's a way to get it imported if you guys really need it.