2 questions regarding building a new rig

[transparos]

1) with the graphics card set to have a price drop in the next few months and assuming we can see readily available stocks in physical stores sim lim by year end Dec, would it be better for those people who are still using their current old rig(assuming if old rig can last till that time) to wait for new releases in 2022, with speculation that alder lake, rtx 4000s GPUs and RX7000s will be out?


2) when choosing a new case for your new rig, do you take into account how long the casing has been on the market? assuming the air flow all this are ok but you like the design.

For example, i am looking at Lian Li 011 Dynamic for my new rig but realised that this case is launched in 2018. i think in terms of air flow all this still ok but i like the design.

or most gamers would go for new launched cases with good air flow like Lian Li Lan cool 2 mesh performance?

asking this is because, example for graphic cards and processors, you would want to go for the latest launched products instead of the previous generation unless the new launched products are so bad.

 

[Apparatus]

I'm still in a dilemma between starting a high-end new build or wait for the new arrivals next year as well

Lian Li has some new upcoming cases (maybe this October). They are the O11D Evo and the LanCool III

For next year the new arrivals will be

AMD Raphael Zen 4 architecture on 5nm
Supports only DDR5 RAM
Supports AM5 platform with LGA1718 socket
Gen 4 PCIe

All these imply changes will be made to the

Mobo
CPU
GPU
DDR RAM

 

[watzup_ken]

1) with the graphics card set to have a price drop in the next few months and assuming we can see readily available stocks in physical stores sim lim by year end Dec, would it be better for those people who are still using their current old rig(assuming if old rig can last till that time) to wait for new releases in 2022, with speculation that alder lake, rtx 4000s GPUs and RX7000s will be out?


2) when choosing a new case for your new rig, do you take into account how long the casing has been on the market? assuming the air flow all this are ok but you like the design.

For example, i am looking at Lian Li 011 Dynamic for my new rig but realised that this case is launched in 2018. i think in terms of air flow all this still ok but i like the design.

or most gamers would go for new launched cases with good air flow like Lian Li Lan cool 2 mesh performance?

asking this is because, example for graphic cards and processors, you would want to go for the latest launched products instead of the previous generation unless the new launched products are so bad.

My opinions are,
1. If you are not in a hurry to get a new PC, then might as well wait for next year and see. If you are not interested in the new products for example, at least there is a chance you may be able to buy current gen hardware cheaper since they are no more new.

2. Casing wise, it rarely gets out of style. Only thing that may change is the ports on the front panel where older case may not have say USB Type C USB 3.2, etc... But if that is not a concern, then I see no harm getting an older casing as long as the airflow is good.

 

[NightRaven49]

1) with the graphics card set to have a price drop in the next few months and assuming we can see readily available stocks in physical stores sim lim by year end Dec, would it be better for those people who are still using their current old rig(assuming if old rig can last till that time) to wait for new releases in 2022, with speculation that alder lake, rtx 4000s GPUs and RX7000s will be out?

if u are talking about dec when we assume that supply and demand are stably met, i believe that the next generation should be the better choice provided that manufacturers continue to try hitting traditional price points. usually by the end of the year, the major tech releases should have been launched or at the very least announced, which should offer some performance benefits over current gen parts. so if prices for current gen parts fall back to msrp by the time new products are available (at the same msrp), then it makes little sense to go for current gen. hopefully this means that current gen prices go down even faster once those new parts come out (assuming they stay in stock near msrp) as they would have become obsolete and people would be less incentivised to buy them.

2) when choosing a new case for your new rig, do you take into account how long the casing has been on the market? assuming the air flow all this are ok but you like the design.

For example, i am looking at Lian Li 011 Dynamic for my new rig but realised that this case is launched in 2018. i think in terms of air flow all this still ok but i like the design.

or most gamers would go for new launched cases with good air flow like Lian Li Lan cool 2 mesh performance?

asking this is because, example for graphic cards and processors, you would want to go for the latest launched products instead of the previous generation unless the new launched products are so bad.

from my point of view, most people are usually more worried about at least 1 of these 3 aspects of a case: performance (airflow), appearance (including volume) and cost. time on the market doesnt really mean much as it isnt a meaningful metric for any practical aspect of the case, except if it remains popular many years after its release which can stand as a testament to it excelling in some of the 3 aspects i mentioned earlier. sure, new cases have been evolving to meet demands better so there is a case to be made by going for newer cases, but from what i see most people dont really care about whether a case has existed in the market for 1 or 5 or more years. o11 is a good case though and is fairly popular: the pcmr subreddit gets o11 build pics so frequently that some members complain about seeing it too often

 

[transparos]

I'm still in a dilemma between starting a high-end new build or wait for the new arrivals next year as well

Lian Li has some new upcoming cases (maybe this October). They are the O11D Evo and the LanCool III

For next year the new arrivals will be

AMD Raphael Zen 4 architecture on 5nm
Supports only DDR5 RAM
Supports AM5 platform with LGA1718 socket
Gen 4 PCIe

All these imply changes will be made to the

Mobo
CPU
GPU
DDR RAM

looks like we are in same situation haha.

good to know there are new cases coming out soon, hopefully it's good

 

[transparos]

My opinions are,
1. If you are not in a hurry to get a new PC, then might as well wait for next year and see. If you are not interested in the new products for example, at least there is a chance you may be able to buy current gen hardware cheaper since they are no more new.

2. Casing wise, it rarely gets out of style. Only thing that may change is the ports on the front panel where older case may not have say USB Type C USB 3.2, etc... But if that is not a concern, then I see no harm getting an older casing as long as the airflow is good.

1) yea, guess have to play by ear and monitor.. if in a hurry, that time GPU price sky rocket will also buy already. cause current rig still ok to use and not playing that graphic intensive games at the moment.

2) i was thinking about this point too though regarding the USB, but not a concern as i don't transfer files that much. but since the post above you mention about new cases from Lian Li launching soon which replace the current O11 dynamic, will see how's the new case like.

 

[transparos]

if u are talking about dec when we assume that supply and demand are stably met, i believe that the next generation should be the better choice provided that manufacturers continue to try hitting traditional price points. usually by the end of the year, the major tech releases should have been launched or at the very least announced, which should offer some performance benefits over current gen parts. so if prices for current gen parts fall back to msrp by the time new products are available (at the same msrp), then it makes little sense to go for current gen. hopefully this means that current gen prices go down even faster once those new parts come out (assuming they stay in stock near msrp) as they would have become obsolete and people would be less incentivised to buy them.

from my point of view, most people are usually more worried about at least 1 of these 3 aspects of a case: performance (airflow), appearance (including volume) and cost. time on the market doesnt really mean much as it isnt a meaningful metric for any practical aspect of the case, except if it remains popular many years after its release which can stand as a testament to it excelling in some of the 3 aspects i mentioned earlier. sure, new cases have been evolving to meet demands better so there is a case to be made by going for newer cases, but from what i see most people dont really care about whether a case has existed in the market for 1 or 5 or more years. o11 is a good case though and is fairly popular: the pcmr subreddit gets o11 build pics so frequently that some members complain about seeing it too often

1) agree..esp on the GPU's RT and DLSS i guess will have a significant improvement i guess.

 

[ragnarok95]

Ryzen 5000 and Intel 11000 series are end of the road liao. Next yr new ryzen and new intel with DDR5 won't be cheap and consider that this is the first time they introduce DDR5 then they will be teething issue involve.

If you plan to use your rig for the next 4-5 yrs, then getting it now or new yr doesn't really affect you much.

 

[transparos]

Ryzen 5000 and Intel 11000 series are end of the road liao. Next yr new ryzen and new intel with DDR5 won't be cheap and consider that this is the first time they introduce DDR5 then they will be teething issue involve.

If you plan to use your rig for the next 4-5 yrs, then getting it now or new yr doesn't really affect you much.

yup understand, but of cos if considering long term maybe buy the new architecture will be better? maybe in terms of performance wise is much better than current ones. maybe to wait till end of year and see if any news update i guess

 

[Rapt0r]

Intel 12 gen coming end of year to early 2022, AMD will be late 2022. GPU once price stabilize can consider buying already. You can see its a never ending wait, nowadays around 1 year +/- new tech coming out.

 

[kenzi87]

Intel discreet graphic out next year too, it more of your wallet talking

 

[wtfh4x]

1) with the graphics card set to have a price drop in the next few months and assuming we can see readily available stocks in physical stores sim lim by year end Dec, would it be better for those people who are still using their current old rig(assuming if old rig can last till that time) to wait for new releases in 2022, with speculation that alder lake, rtx 4000s GPUs and RX7000s will be out.

2) when choosing a new case for your new rig, do you take into account how long the casing has been on the market? assuming the air flow all this are ok but you like the design.

For example, i am looking at Lian Li 011 Dynamic for my new rig but realised that this case is launched in 2018. i think in terms of air flow all this still ok but i like the design.

or most gamers would go for new launched cases with good air flow like Lian Li Lan cool 2 mesh performance?

asking this is because, example for graphic cards and processors, you would want to go for the latest launched products instead of the previous generation unless the new launched products are so bad.

If you can afford and you need it, just buy. The difference between generations of CPUs is not like it was 10 years ago with that huge leap from Core 2 Duo to Sandy Bridge. For my last few PCs I've actually bought one generation older once the new gen appears because there are significant savings to be reaped after making sure there are no significant differences in core count and IPC. i5 and motherboard in the low $300s compared to $400+ for the new generation.

If I were buying a case I'd want something with a USB-C port so I won't have to use extensions from the back panel in the future, other than that just buy whatever you like. It's just a box in the end, as long as its not stupidly designed with a tempered glass blocking all the intake fans I couldn't be bothered. Even if case trends change who cares, not like you're carrying it around to show it off.

 

[watzup_ken]

To expand on my response earlier on point 1, I think when thinking of buying a rig, you can't really think long term. Rather, think about whether you need an upgrade now or not. If not, then end of story and don't keep looking out because it will just bother you more.

If yes, then just get what is within your means/ budget and move on. The exception here is really when you know something better or new is coming out in the following month, then may be worth waiting to see if, (1) if the new product better suit your usage, and/or, (2) will it cause the prices of current gen hardware to drop. If it is 6 months, 1 year down the road, I don't see the point of considering those if you need a PC now. Technology will always get better over time, so no point deferring your purchase for something that is too far away now if you need a PC or upgrade today.

 

[transparos]

Honestly, you will need a prophet to answer this question. While rumors have it that the price will drop, will it really drop and how fast will it drop are the real questions here. Anyone could have answered this accurately, well, I bet they are multi millionaires.


This is a difficult question you are asking. I think it come down to one very important question, how long are you gonna use the casing? 10 years? 20 years? 30 years? Only by asking yourself this question, you can then ask yourself how many times will you upgrade the components during this period and likely for what purposes? Then from there you can gauge the size of the computer and the requirements to satisfy running such computers.

To give an example, if you looking for a casing to run for decades to come, until it literally wear itself out or phase out existence due to revolutionary breakthrough in computing technology then it has to be

• Anti rust materials
• A big casing, something like a full tower though some mid tower is almost comparable to a full tower
  • Primary purpose to ensure enough space for decades needs
• At least two front 140mm fans
• Good filtrations
  • Including easy removal filters for fans intake
  • Including limited tiny openings where stray airs aka dust could bypass the filtrations
• Good to have is replaceable and thus upgradable front port panels (usb / thunderbolt / etcs)
  • Because these get better every now and then

Not necessary, because some casing do have their upgradable parts (usb / thunderbolt / etc) which of course separately ordered from their manufacturers.

yea the 1st question is just some speculation, whether or not the price drop will be adjusted in sg remains to be seen. so is only my assumption price will drop by dec is a optimistic one though.

for 2nd question, i am those type who build new rig to last maybe around 5 years? my current rig is build in late 2016 or early 2017 and still in good working condition till now. casing still the same as first bought so i thought of asking this second question to consider for my new rig.

 

[watzup_ken]

For casing, I feel the general purpose is really just to house the various components. So it depends on whether you are fine with the look and also the connectivity offered. I recently reused a Fractal Design Arc Mini that was quite old as well, but it works well for me. One thing that you may have to also consider which I missed out is the airflow. Depending on the setup, you may need to change the casing with better airflow such that the components don't get too hot. Otherwise, I generally don't like to change casing because they tend to take up space and difficult to sell.

 

[Apparatus]

looks like we are in same situation haha.

good to know there are new cases coming out soon, hopefully it's good

There are some Youtube videos on the Lian Li new cases. Check them out

 

[SkyShroud]

yea the 1st question is just some speculation, whether or not the price drop will be adjusted in sg remains to be seen. so is only my assumption price will drop by dec is a optimistic one though.

for 2nd question, i am those type who build new rig to last maybe around 5 years? my current rig is build in late 2016 or early 2017 and still in good working condition till now. casing still the same as first bought so i thought of asking this second question to consider for my new rig.

What is your current casing?
What is the rig you gonna upgrade to?

 

[transparos]

What is your current casing?
What is the rig you gonna upgrade to?

current case from 2016, tecware F3... next rig thinking of using lian li dynamic o11, i like the design. but as i mention earlier, seems like lian li just release the lan cool 2 performance which is much newer and good in air cooling but design is just common to me..