200mm fans without LED

[blockynosey]

Guys,

I'm planning to get the thermaltake core X2 once its available. 200mm fans would be part of my cooling system. Anyone knows where to get 200mm fans without LED? most shops in SLS seem to only carry LED fans for that dimension.

Regards,
Joshua

 

[Alphas]

Cut the led or find the ledless on eBay

 

[Mythmaker]

Mounting holes for 200mm fans are not standardized. Even if u get another, there's a big chance it wont fit.

 

[blockynosey]

Mounting holes for 200mm fans are not standardized. Even if u get another, there's a big chance it wont fit.

Bro, can quote me examples where 200mm fans and case-mounts doesn't fit? I seriously thought 200mm = 200mm between screw fits, would not have issues

 

[xtreme84]

From Amazon maybe?

http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Series-Cooling-CL-F015-PL20BL-A-Black/dp/B00J0NZFIA

 

[xtreme84]

Bro, can quote me examples where 200mm fans and case-mounts doesn't fit? I seriously thing 200mm = 200mm between screw fits.

Not for 200mm bro. Apparently different manufacturers have different standards.

 

[Phelan]

[Build Log] "Little Gene" - Thermaltake Core V21 Micro - Asus z97 Micro "ROG" - i7 4790k - H20 Cooled

You're welcome

 

[EienShouko]

200mm fans are terrible.
They have literally zero pressure and are bad.
Go with dual 120mm if your case allows it.

 

[blockynosey]

200mm fans are terrible.
They have literally zero pressure and are bad.
Go with dual 120mm if your case allows it.

Is static pressure important even without radiator? I thought 200mm bring good CFM for significantly lower cost.

In any case, this is the case I'm talking about:
Thermaltake Core X2

Its a monster of a case with multiple fan configurations. The idea of good airflow, close ambient temps excites me.

For example, in the front intake, I could affix (1x 200mm + 1x 120mm), or [3x 120mm]. I'm ditching the 2x 140 (comparatively poor CFMs). Since I'm concerned with noise, I would prefer quality 120 fans, like Noctua or Corsair quiet editions.

For fair comparison, I also included a pair of same manufacturers models with different dimensions, namely Bitfenix Spectre Pro. (Cybermind pricelist)

Statistics​

Airflow (max CFM ↓ with ↑ no. of parallel fans, expect lower):

-200mm fans
247 CFM for 2x (Thermaltake Thunderblade 20 Plus)
206 CFM for 2x (NXZT 200mm LED)
297 CFM for 2x (Bitfenix Spectre Pro)

-120mm fans
239 CFM for 6x (Corsair AF120 Quiet Edition High Airflow)
326 CFM for 6x (Noctua NF-P12)
337 CFM for 6x (Bitfenix Spectre Pro)


Pressure (pressure does not stack in parallel config):

-200mm fans
0.92 mmH2O (Thermaltake Thunderblade 20 Plus, 800rpm, 30.3dBA)
0.83 mmH2O (NXZT 200mm LED, 700rpm, 20 dBA)
1.26 mmH2O (Bitfenix Spectre Pro, 900rpm, 27.5 dBA)

-120mm fans
0.50 mmH20 (Corsair AF120 Quiet Edition High Airflow, 1100rpm, 21 dBA)
1.68 mmH2O (Noctua NF-P12, 1300rpm, 19.8 dBA)
1.24 mmH2O (Bitfenix Spectre Pro, 1200rpm, 18.9 dBA)


In addition, the benefits of high static pressure fans to exhaust hot air (high pressure) into the ambient (lower pressure) is negligible, relegating the advantage of high pressure fans to the intakes only.

Statistically, 120mm fans edge out but realistically its way too expensive.
Noctua NF-P12 sells at $33, and the case can accommodate a total of 9 fans in areas where 200mm is an option. $297 vs $90 (200mm bitfenix). Also ↑ no. of fans = ↑ in acoustics.

Noise calculator:
http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-spl.htm

So this is my two cents input, purely my take on the situation, please share if you have alternative opinions.

Regards.

 

[EienShouko]

All of them are terrible fans. Refer to the following: OCN Dave's Air Cooling Guide - Updated

It makes many good points that I agree with mostly, except for the parts about going with extremely high speed fans. Go with GT AP14/15 or EK Vardas.
If price is a huge concern, I would recommend populating your case over time, instead of all at once. A single 120mm pushes way more air after taking into account the pressure drop from HDD cages and filters.

 

[Piezoq]

Is static pressure important even without radiator? I thought 200mm bring good CFM for significantly lower cost.

In any case, this is the case I'm talking about:
Thermaltake Core X2

...

Regards.

Just a comment on such cases in general.

They are a bloody dust problem mere weeks down the road. Unless you're in a 24/7 air con env. or keep the room immaculate with the window/s closed, they're goners.

Woe betide any ports/slots that're unoccupied.

I much rather a less open case like the Fractal R5. Preserves the ears too.

 

[Mythmaker]

Bro, can quote me examples where 200mm fans and case-mounts doesn't fit? I seriously thought 200mm = 200mm between screw fits, would not have issues

For instance, the Antec Big Boy, Coolermaster Megaflow 200, NZXT FZ 200mm all have completely different mounting holes position. That's all I have tested some 3-5 years ago.

I'm still using the Antec Big Boy for my HAF932 (the big boy is surprisingly durable!), but I'm only able to mount 1 hole (and at an angle) and cable tie another end.

Just a note, it's actually very hard to find decent 200mm fans. They post big CFM numbers, but in practice it won't take you more than a minute to realise it's due to the sheer size of the fan (think: cubic feet/minute literally, like a windmill). They don't really push any air at all. The Antec Big Boy is the only one I tested that's actually pushing air.

 

[blockynosey]

All of them are terrible fans. Refer to the following: OCN Dave's Air Cooling Guide - Updated

It makes many good points that I agree with mostly, except for the parts about going with extremely high speed fans. Go with GT AP14/15 or EK Vardas.
If price is a huge concern, I would recommend populating your case over time, instead of all at once. A single 120mm pushes way more air after taking into account the pressure drop from HDD cages and filters.

From their web, the gentle typhoons are discontinued, any idea where to get them? To take advantage of the CFM and Pressure, I would have to choose the high speed variants, but it would be incredibly loud, not my ideal setup. So dBA levels would be my main concern when choosing 120mm fans, followed by CFM and Pressure. Inadvertently rpm, CFM, Pressure, and noise levels shares a linear relationship; my sweet spot would be 1000-13000rpm, 20-22dBA. Coupled with multiple fans I guess airflow would still be decently good even if they are relatively low rpm fans.

Lastly, the guide is interesting, but it has a weakness, it lacks empirical data to back his explanations, but of course that is my uneducated pick at his helpful guide.

Thanks for your input, appreciated! I would consider 120mm as intakes now. Btw, which fans do you use?

Just a comment on such cases in general.

They are a bloody dust problem mere weeks down the road. Unless you're in a 24/7 air con env. or keep the room immaculate with the window/s closed, they're goners.

Woe betide any ports/slots that're unoccupied.

I much rather a less open case like the Fractal R5. Preserves the ears too.

Yes, I was weighing the Fractal R5 too, but I guess low temps edge out over dust as I clean my cases very often. A sacrifice I have to make for good airflow and temps.

I was worried about the noise levels too, trying to select fans below 1300rpms in bid to cap noise levels around 20-22 dBA. (at this logarithm level, an icrease of 2-3 dBA may be experienced as doubled in loudness) Thanks for you input anyway!

For instance, the Antec Big Boy, Coolermaster Megaflow 200, NZXT FZ 200mm all have completely different mounting holes position. That's all I have tested some 3-5 years ago.

I'm still using the Antec Big Boy for my HAF932 (the big boy is surprisingly durable!), but I'm only able to mount 1 hole (and at an angle) and cable tie another end.

Just a note, it's actually very hard to find decent 200mm fans. They post big CFM numbers, but in practice it won't take you more than a minute to realise it's due to the sheer size of the fan (think: cubic feet/minute literally, like a windmill). They don't really push any air at all. The Antec Big Boy is the only one I tested that's actually pushing air.

Wow, this is a concern now, thanks. I would definitely ask the store helper for some measurements before getting the 200mm fans.

I understand that big surface area = CFM/volume, and many users has advised me on the weak static pressure issues associated with 200mm fans. So where did you get the Antec big boy? Are they long? Thanks for your practical input.

Thanks for sharing guys, I sincerely appreciate the inputs

 

[xtreme84]

From their web, the gentle typhoons are discontinued, any idea where to get them?

Found some here.

I'm using 4 of them in my casing together with another 3 Noctuas. Still relatively silent and temperatures are good.

 

[blockynosey]

Found some here.

I'm using 4 of them in my casing together with another 3 Noctuas. Still relatively silent and temperatures are good.

Thanks bro, which rpm variant of Scythe GT did you get? 1150, 1450,1850. In comparison to Noctua, how is the acoustic levels? I keep my pc on my desk, 30cm away from my nearest ear.

 

[Phelan]

Rather than the elusive GTs, look at EK Vardars instead. They come in as many flavours as the GTs, yet are PWM-enabled at the same time. Buying a set of eight from the EK webstore will run you about SGD200 with shipping for the 3000rpm model and about SGD160 for the rest of line.

http://www.xtremerigs.net/2014/12/03/first-look-testing-ekwb-vardar-fans/

This review compares the Vardar 2200RPM model against the AP45, a 2150rpm GT. The Vardar comes off as quieter than the AP45 at most fan speeds.

 

[EienShouko]

From their web, the gentle typhoons are discontinued, any idea where to get them? To take advantage of the CFM and Pressure, I would have to choose the high speed variants, but it would be incredibly loud, not my ideal setup. So dBA levels would be my main concern when choosing 120mm fans, followed by CFM and Pressure. Inadvertently rpm, CFM, Pressure, and noise levels shares a linear relationship; my sweet spot would be 1000-13000rpm, 20-22dBA. Coupled with multiple fans I guess airflow would still be decently good even if they are relatively low rpm fans.

Lastly, the guide is interesting, but it has a weakness, it lacks empirical data to back his explanations, but of course that is my uneducated pick at his helpful guide.
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He does indeed not back his guide up with data to prove his facts, but anyone who's played with case fans can attest to his findings, myself included.
Sound wise, 120mms would give you a better airflow over noise ratio provided you get quality fans, like the Gentle Typhoons. AP14s are especially good at that, and I highly suggest them.

Thanks bro, which rpm variant of Scythe GT did you get? 1150, 1450,1850. In comparison to Noctua, how is the acoustic levels? I keep my pc on my desk, 30cm away from my nearest ear.

The Gentle Typhoons utterly destroy Noctua. The Gentle Typhoons are industrial fans, only comparable against the San Ace / Delta / eLoops. Noctuas just get crushed.
Here's a great graph: http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/1977/ra7sstreamhvvsall.png

 

[mrgoodDeal]

Still interested in the 200mm?

I got one stock from cm690iii case. I replaced it with a led one. Stock no led.

Pm me!

 

[xtreme84]

Thanks bro, which rpm variant of Scythe GT did you get? 1150, 1450,1850. In comparison to Noctua, how is the acoustic levels? I keep my pc on my desk, 30cm away from my nearest ear.

I got the 1850. My PC is on my desk just next to me also, and I find the sound level acceptable. Of course, that's really up to the individual. I don't think anyone would find them noisy though.

I've not done any comparison on the two brands but I'm happy with both of them. I'd still go for either brands if I had to choose again.

 

[Mythmaker]

Wow, this is a concern now, thanks. I would definitely ask the store helper for some measurements before getting the 200mm fans.

I understand that big surface area = CFM/volume, and many users has advised me on the weak static pressure issues associated with 200mm fans. So where did you get the Antec big boy? Are they long? Thanks for your practical input.

Thanks for sharing guys, I sincerely appreciate the inputs

I dont think the store helper will know what to do. Personally, I bought all of them and tried at home.

If you are using a 200mm fan, I probably wont concern myself with static pressure. They are normally used for just moving fresh air along into the chassis, so static pressure is a low priority unless you are pushing through a HDD cage. Leave the heavy duty area and air channeling to the 120mm. If you are just looking at injecting fresh air input, nothing beats a 200mm in perf/noise.

Never trust CFM rating, every manufacturer have their own way of measuring CFM. Look for reviews and shootouts instead.

I have no idea where I bought the Antec Big Boy, it's been so long. Probably PerformancePC or FrozenCPU or Aquatuning... local definitely doesn't sell it. Amazon sells it nowadays for around S$37. Not sure what you meant by "long".

If you are using 120mm fans, noise should be the least of your concern. Instead, look for the best performance/noise ratio. Then just get a fan controller; you will save alot more hair that way and your choices of fan will open up immensely.

On another note, the Big Boy is insanely strong at full speed. But also extremely noisy. I think I ran it at medium speed and further finetuned it with a fan controller.