3i/Atlas Update!

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HUGE 3I/ATLAS Updates Reveal Newest Anomaly!

๐Ÿ“š Sources:
John C. Forbes and Harvey Butler paper arXiv 2512.18341 "The size of 3I/ATLAS from non-gravitational acceleration" December 20 2025

Richard Cloete Avi Loeb and Peter Veres paper arXiv 2509.21408 "Upper Limit on the Non-Gravitational Acceleration and Lower Limits on the Nucleus Mass and Diameter of 3I/ATLAS" September 24 2025

Marshall Eubanks et al non-gravitational acceleration time lag model
NASA JPL Horizons non-gravitational acceleration database

Webb Space Telescope JWST NIRSpec observations August 6 2025 Martin Cordiner et al

James Webb Telescope Observations: mass loss rate 150 kilograms per second
arXiv: 3I/ATLAS Non-gravitational acceleration

Wikipedia 3I/ATLAS article December 2025

What We Cover:
๐Ÿ”ญ One kilometer diameter measurement from October 2025 Forbes paper analysis
๐Ÿ“Š 260 billion kilogram mass calculation from diameter and density
โš ๏ธ Five kilometer minimum size from May September detection limits
๐Ÿ’ฅ 33 trillion kilogram minimum mass creating 120 times contradiction
๐Ÿงฎ How scientists use non-gravitational acceleration to measure comet size
๐Ÿš€ Gas ejection speed 1600 kilometers per hour from Webb telescope data
๐Ÿ”ฌ Mass loss rate 150 kilograms per second breaking the physics
๐Ÿ“‰ NASA downward revisions changing acceleration values multiple times
๐ŸŒก๏ธ Temperature differences causing potential mass changes over time
๐Ÿ”„ Asymmetric jet orientations complicating measurements
โš›๏ธ Density assumption variations affecting all calculations
๐ŸŽฏ Measurement uncertainty ranges that might resolve contradiction
 

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The Disappointing End of 3I/ATLAS​



New 3I/ATLAS Updates reveal it's losing its mass. ๐Ÿ“š Sources: Avi Loeb Medium article "3I/ATLAS Sheds Particles that Are Much Bigger Than Common Sunlight-Scattering Dust" December 25 2025

David Jewitt and Jane Luu Nordic Optical Telescope observations November 2025

Hubble Space Telescope imaging July 21 2025 and November 30 2025

James Webb Space Telescope NIRSpec composition data August 6 2025

Martin Cordiner et al JWST observations carbon dioxide to water ratio 7.6 to 1

John C. Forbes and Harvey Butler paper arXiv 2512.18341 one kilometer size estimate December 2025

Richard Cloete Avi Loeb Peter Veres paper arXiv 2509.21408 five kilometer minimum September 2025

What We Cover:
๐Ÿ”ฌ 100 micrometer dust particles one million times heavier than normal comet dust
๐Ÿ’จ Particle ejection speeds 2 meters per second versus 500 meters per second for gas
๐ŸŒŸ Anti-tail extending 400,000 kilometers toward the Sun defying physics
โš–๏ธ One kilometer versus five kilometer size contradiction explained
๐ŸงŠ Water ice fragments driven by carbon dioxide sublimation never seen before
๐Ÿ“Š Non-gravitational acceleration physics momentum depends on velocity not just mass ๐Ÿ”ญ How slow heavy particles create less acceleration than fast light gas
โ„๏ธ Carbon dioxide ice 87 percent composition versus 4 percent water flipped ratio
๐Ÿš€ Ice fragment theory by Loeb and Keto first documented anti-tail mechanism
โš›๏ธ David Jewitt conservative natural explanation large rocky dust alternative

Key Topics:
3I/ATLAS releasing 100 micrometer radius dust particles December 2025 discovery confirmed independently by Avi Loeb Harvard and David Jewitt UCLA. Particles are 100 times bigger and one million times more massive than typical 0.5 micrometer comet dust. Anti-tail structure extends 400,000 kilometers sunward equal to Earth Moon distance. Solar radiation pressure physics requires large particles to resist push and travel observed distances. Gas drag ejection limits create narrow physics window 1 to 100 micrometers for liftable particle sizes.

Size contradiction between one kilometer Forbes Butler estimate excluding dust momentum and five kilometer Cloete Loeb Veres minimum from zero acceleration detection. Large slow particles 2 meters per second create minimal acceleration compared to fast gas 500 meters per second explaining measurement discrepancy.

Ice fragment theory proposes water ice particles ejected by carbon dioxide gas sublimation creating unprecedented anti-tail mechanism. JWST measured 87 percent carbon dioxide mass composition versus 4 percent water reversed from normal solar system comets. Carbon dioxide sublimates colder temperatures driving initial ejection then water ice survives longer creating extended sunward structure. Loeb Keto MNRAS paper models ice fragments 100 micrometers surviving observed distances before complete sublimation. First ever documented ice-based anti-tail versus traditional rocky dust anti-tails from viewing geometry.

December 19 2025 closest Earth approach 269 million kilometers enables detailed spectroscopy determining ice versus dust composition resolving scientific debate
 

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I thought they said it's an alien spaceship and can see lights inside? Now no more but just a piece of flying stone?

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If 3I/ATLAS is a Comet, Why Would the CIA โ€œNeither Deny, Nor Confirmโ€ the Existence of Records on It?

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An image of 3I/ATLAS at 3:34 UTC on December 30, 2025 from nine 120-second exposures, taken with the Virtual Telescope Project facility in Manciano, Italy. A prominent anti-tail jet is clearly observed in the direction of the Sun, towards the lower left. (Image credit: Virtual Telescope)

So far, 3I/ATLAS displayed a number of unexplained features relative to familiar comets โ€” as I listed here. One could have hoped that these puzzles would trigger a healthy scientific debate about the nature of 3I/ATLAS. Instead, the case was officially closed by NASA officials without any discussion on the puzzling nature of these anomalies.

The anomalous features include the existence of a prominent anti-tail jet directed at the Sun both before and after perihelion, the geometric alignment to within 8 degrees between the rotation axis of 3I/ATLAS at large distances and the sunward direction, the alignment to within 5 degrees of the orbital plane of 3I/ATLAS with the ecliptic plane, as well as the prominence of nickel relative to iron in the gas that 3I/ATLAS sheds โ€” reminiscent of industrially-produced nickel alloys.

On December 31, 2025, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) replied to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) inquiry by John Greenewald Jr., that it can โ€œneither deny nor confirm the existence or nonexistence of recordsโ€ related to 3I/ATLAS. The response was tweeted here.

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That this information is treated as sensitive enough to be classified by the CIA is surprising, given that NASA officials stated decisively at a press conference on November 19, 2025 (posted here), that 3I/ATLAS is definitely a comet of natural origin. If this conclusion was clear all along to everyone within government and academia โ€” as NASA officials presented the case, then why would the CIA treat the possible existence of records dealing with a natural comet as sensitive enough to be classified?

The simplest interpretation of the CIA response to the FOIA request is that some government officials wished to verify that 3I/ATLAS is not a black swan event, posing a potential threat to society even as comet experts regard such a possibility as highly unlikely. By multiplying a small probability for the existence of a threat with its high impact factor on society, the sober conclusion is that such events must be taken seriously and monitored.

This lesson, akin to Pascalโ€™s Wager, was learned the hard way by the residents of the City of Troy after they welcomed the Trojan Horse, as well as by intelligence agencies like the CIA after their miscalculations in gauging the risk from the events that unfolded on September 11, 2001 and October 7, 2023.

Under such circumstances, NASA officials were encouraged to deliver the likely scientific interpretation, while at the same time โ€” the serious consideration of a black swan event by the CIA was hidden from public view in order to prevent panic from taking hold for no good reason.

This is a wise policy for mitigating societal unrest or instability of financial markets at a time when the reality of a black swan event is still regarded as highly unlikely. In order to maintain the publicโ€™s trust, the CIA would prefer not to raise a false alarm โ€” like the shepherd who repeatedly shouted โ€œWolf!โ€ โ€” so when a real wolf came, no one believed him. The โ€œneither deny nor confirmโ€ is the best way to keep the investigation of black swan events hidden from view.

If the above interpretation is correct, 3I/ATLAS represents the first case of an astronomical object for which the โ€œneither deny nor confirmโ€ response was adopted purposely by the intelligence agencies.

During the summer months of 2025, I proposed the โ€œLoeb Classification Scaleโ€ for the threat level of interstellar objects as alien tech. The scale was quantified in three peer-reviewed papers that I co-authored with Omer Eldadi, Gershon Tennenbaum and Oem Trivedi, which were first posted here, here and here. During the same time, I alerted policy makers to the possibility that 3I/ATLAS might be a black swan event, as mentioned here. Perhaps someone was listening to my request.

Today, several reporters asked me for comments on the latest report (accessible here) on limits of technological radio transmission by 3I/ATLAS, based on data from the Green Bank Telescope.

I clarified to the reporters that I encouraged the research team of the Breakthrough Listen Initiative to check for radio signals from 3I/ATLAS, because the arrival direction of 3I/ATLAS into the solar system aligned with the direction of the โ€œWow! Signalโ€ from 1977 to within 9 degrees โ€” with a chance probability of 0.6% as discussed here. The new data rules out a technological signal in the radio frequency band of 1โ€“12 GHz towards Earth over a period of 5 hours between 04:15โ€“09:15 UTC on December 18, 2025.

It is unclear whether one should expect a technological object to transmit radio signals to its senders. Such signals would take several tens of thousands of years to cross the Milky-Way galaxy, whereas the time that 3I/ATLAS spends inside the solar system โ€” all the way from and to the outer edge of the Oort Cloud, is only 16,000 years. Interstellar objects are unlikely to continuously transmit to their senders, because they do not have enough time to benefit from a two-way dialog.

Given that their journey takes billions of years, the chance of a transmission on any particular 5-hour interval is miniscule. Moreover, such a signal may not be transmitted in the direction of Earth or at the frequency band that was monitored. To save energy, an efficient signaling would be beamed and compressed into a short burst with a small duty cycle. A proper observing program would have monitored 3I/ATLAS from many directions for a long period of time and not just over a 5-hour window.

The data collection on 3I/ATLAS will not be over until it passes near the Hill radius of Jupiter. Hopefully, the curious community of government officials will be swayed by the dogmatic community of comet experts so as to check whether 3I/ATLAS deploys any small probes as new satellites of Jupiter. Unless we check, we might never know if this swan is white or black.
 

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Harvard Expert Claims 3I/ATLAS Jets Are Too Symmetric to Be a Natural Phenomenon​

Avi Loeb: 3I/ATLAS mini-jets may signal active technology on interstellar visitor​

By Briane Nebria
Published 20 January 2026, 12:38 PM GMT

Interstellar Object 3I/ATLAS: Why Hubbleโ€™s New 'Double Jet' Discovery Baffles

Images of 3I/ATLAS through 170 second exposures by the WFC3 UVIS (F350LP) camera of the Hubble Space Telescope, processed through the Larson-Sekanina rotation gradient filter, show a double jet structure. Hubble Space Telescope/NASA

When the interstellar object 3I/ATLAS first flew into our solar system in July 2025, scientists were both curious and amazed. It was only the third confirmed visitor from the vastness of interstellar space, a cosmic nomad moving at an incredible 58 kilometers per second. But when the object passed its perihelion on Oct. 29, 2025, the story changed from standard cometary science to something much more interesting.

Avi Loeb, an astrophysicist at Harvard who is no stranger to controversial cosmic theories, has dropped a new bombshell. New analysis of images captured by the Hubble Space Telescope suggests that 3I/ATLAS is not merely tumbling through the void, but may be sporting a geometric arrangement of 'mini-jets' so precise they challenge our understanding of natural formation. Loeb has even gone so far as to describe the object as 'potentially hostile', currently giving it a ranking of 4 on his self-devised 10-point 'Loeb Scale'.

3I/ATLAS Shock: ESA XMM-Newton Telescope Detects Mysterious X-Ray Glow From

A photo of 3I/ATLAS taken by ESA's XMM-Newton. European Space Agency

The Mathematical Perfection of 3I/ATLAS Mini-Jets​

The Larson-Sekanina Rotational Gradient filter is a complicated imaging technique that made the discovery possible. Researchers have found a surprising structure by removing the circularly symmetric glowing halo that usually hides the nucleus of a comet. Three separate mini-jets stick out from the center of 3I/ATLAS and reach 25,000 kilometers into space.

Their symmetry is what has really gotten the scientific community excited. These jets are exactly 120 degrees apart in the sky, making a perfect geometric triangle. This trio is accompanied by a fourth 'anti-tail' jet that stretches ten times farther, pointing directly toward the sun โ€” a direction that consistently defies the standard 'wind-blown' appearance of natural cometary tails.

Notably, this anti-tail has been observed extending out to at least 400,000 kilometres, which Loeb argues is an outlier never reported before for solar system comets.

In a new paper co-authored with Toni Scarmato, Loeb demonstrates that this jet structure is not static. It wobbles periodically by roughly 20 degrees every 7.1 hours, a motion likely tied to the object's rotation.

Perhaps most curiously, the rotation axis itself is oriented within a mere 10 to 20 degrees of the sunward direction, an alignment Loeb previously noted as statistically improbable for a random rock from the stars.

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Avi Loeb A.R.~hewiki, CC BY-SA 4.0 , via Wikimedia Commons

Active Technology or Cosmic Coincidence for 3I/ATLAS?​

The precision of these features has led Loeb's colleague, Dr. Frank Laukien, to pose a question that many in the field have been hesitant to voice: could this be a technological signature?

Laukien points out that a 120-degree angular spacing is an 'astounding' find in a macroscopic natural object. He suggests that such a configuration could represent the 'minimum viable' setup for a propulsion system designed to re-orient an object in three-dimensional space.

While human satellites typically use pairs of opposing thrusters, the (3+1) arrangement seen on 3I/ATLAS might be sufficient for attitude adjustments if the object is rotating around its major axis. If these jets are indeed thrusters rather than natural outgassing, the object's status on the 'Loeb Scale' โ€” a classification system for interstellar significance โ€” would skyrocket.

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3I/ATLAS Toni Scarmato

Currently, 3I/ATLAS sits at a Level 4, reserved for objects meeting potential technosignature criteria, but confirmed activity could push it toward the elusive Level 6: 'Suspected Active Technology'. This debate gained new intensity recently after the CIA issued a 'Glomar' response to records requests regarding the object, stating they could 'neither deny nor confirm' the existence of classified records on 3I/ATLAS.

The mystery may find a resolution sooner than expected. On Jan. 22, 2026, a rare alignment will occur. 3I/ATLAS will reach near-opposition, with the Earth positioned almost directly between the object and the sun.

During this window, which will maintain an alignment within 2 degrees for approximately one week, the rotating mini-jets may trace a perfect circle in the sky, offering astronomers a high-fidelity look at their true nature.

Following this, the object is scheduled to travel past Jupiter on March 16, 2026. As Loeb himself notes, scientific progress requires patience, but the pursuit of symmetry in the stars remains the most invigorating hunt of all.
 

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Are the Three Mini-Jets, Coming Out of 3I/ATLAS at 120 Degree Separation, a Technological Signature?​


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Brightness maps of the projected jet structure within a distance of 25,000 kilometers from 3I/ATLAS, observed on November 30, December 4, 12, 27 and January 7, 14, 2026 by the Hubble Space Telescope.

The image was processed through a Larson-Sekanina Rotational Gradient filter, which removes the circularly symmetric glow around the nucleus. On all these dates, 3I/ATLAS displayed a rotating system of three mini-jets which are equally separated by an angle of 120 degrees from each other. The bottom panel shows the 3 mini-jets along with the 10-times longer anti-tail jet in the sunward direction, as observed on January 14, 2026. (Image credit: Toni Scarmato, based on data released by NASA/ESA/STScI here)
 
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