$6k Investment ideas.

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Hi All,

I have $6k of spare cash to play around with and thought of investing it to to enhance my returns. After reading/browsing through the numerous threads/guides on investing in this Forum, I came to a conclusion that most of the Gurus here recommend STI ETFs & Blue Chip stocks (Telcos etc) for the Dividends where you will re-invest it to build your portfolio.

So for a $6k initial start-up, I thought of getting 1 lot of Singtel and using the leftover cash to buy STI ETFs at the SCB online trading account. I already have set aside emergency funds as I understand the risks involved.

What are you Gurus' views on this plan? All opinions/ideas are welcomed! :s12:
 

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better just put all into etf rather than 1 lot singtel. STI etf has singtel inside it. Or if u insist on getting blue chips seperately, maybe can wait till next year, when the lot size is reduced to 100. Can get more blue chips.
 

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better just put all into etf rather than 1 lot singtel. STI etf has singtel inside it. Or if u insist on getting blue chips seperately, maybe can wait till next year, when the lot size is reduced to 100. Can get more blue chips.

Hi,

Thanks for the advice! I will look into that as an alternative. Actually I'm thinking of starting my investment at next year Jan while I do more research on the alternatives I can have. So maybe I can wait till the lot size being reduced before going into the market.
 

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So for a $6k initial start-up, I thought of getting 1 lot of Singtel and using the leftover cash to buy STI ETFs at the SCB online trading account. I already have set aside emergency funds as I understand the risks involved.

What are you Gurus' views on this plan? All opinions/ideas are welcomed! :s12:

Numbers is right: skip the Singtel, because the STI ETF already has a big slug of Singtel inside it.

Also, to the person saying "don't catch a falling knife" - that's exactly the wrong way around. The STI's, what, 3% off its highs? Normally people buy more of something when it's cheaper - and if you're investing for the long-term, instead of trading short-term moves, then this is a nice opportunity to pick up some good stocks on the cheap.
 

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cheap, cheaper, cheapest, its your choice, haha. Even smart investors like Adam Khoo knows when to enter or exit the market, do u know when is the right time to enter? If u buy now, do u have the bullets to average down when it gets lower and lower, cheaper and cheaper?

Look at HSI, at first it was 1k points down from the top, then 2k down, tomorrow will it be 3k down?

Good luck to u!
 

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cheap, cheaper, cheapest, its your choice, haha. Even smart investors like Adam Khoo knows when to enter or exit the market, do u know when is the right time to enter? If u buy now, do u have the bullets to average down when it gets lower and lower, cheaper and cheaper?

Look at HSI, at first it was 1k points down from the top, then 2k down, tomorrow will it be 3k down?

Good luck to u!

Adam Khoo is a smart businessman and sales man, but I don't consider him a smart investor.
 

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Hi, I'm also just starting out and have around $15K to invest after setting aside emergency funds. So far, I have bought 1 lot of STE and 1 lot of ABF Bond ETF and queuing for STI ETF now. Intending to buy a telco (StarHub perhaps?) and also looking at SATS. Is this a good allocation? Any advice? Thanks!!
 

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unless u know how to hunt for low risk high return opportunities, dont buy now lah. wait till after crash then buy. U will get burnt if you buy now.

Most people get burnt

dont believe me? check this out, most people lose money.

and by the way, i am top!!!!
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unless u know how to hunt for low risk high return opportunities, dont buy now lah. wait till after crash then buy. U will get burnt if you buy now.

Most people get burnt

dont believe me? check this out, most people lose money.

and by the way, i am top!!!!

lol stock challenge...

unless u know how to show your low risk high return opportunities with your real portfolio, dont post now lah. wait till after you huat real $$ then post. U will get ignored if you post now.
 

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lol stock challenge...

unless u know how to show your low risk high return opportunities with your real portfolio, dont post now lah. wait till after you huat real $$ then post. U will get ignored if you post now.
ya loh. its only fake money. Not my real portfolio.
wished its real money :(
 

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Hi, I'm also just starting out and have around $15K to invest after setting aside emergency funds. So far, I have bought 1 lot of STE and 1 lot of ABF Bond ETF and queuing for STI ETF now. Intending to buy a telco (StarHub perhaps?) and also looking at SATS. Is this a good allocation? Any advice? Thanks!!

I'd give you the same advice I gave the OP - just buy the STI ETF instead of a bunch of single stocks. The ETF owns every stock in the Straits Times index, so you don't need to waste a bunch of time farting around with individual stocks ("oh, which one do I buy, when do I take profit, when do I stop out, when will I have time to read all these annual reports"); you can just buy and hold and not have to think about it.
 

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I'd give you the same advice I gave the OP - just buy the STI ETF instead of a bunch of single stocks. The ETF owns every stock in the Straits Times index, so you don't need to waste a bunch of time farting around with individual stocks ("oh, which one do I buy, when do I take profit, when do I stop out, when will I have time to read all these annual reports"); you can just buy and hold and not have to think about it.
for me, i will advise wait for after crash then buy:o
 

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I'd give you the same advice I gave the OP - just buy the STI ETF instead of a bunch of single stocks. The ETF owns every stock in the Straits Times index, so you don't need to waste a bunch of time farting around with individual stocks ("oh, which one do I buy, when do I take profit, when do I stop out, when will I have time to read all these annual reports"); you can just buy and hold and not have to think about it.

Thanks for the advice Shiny. Indeed would like to just buy and hold and not think about it. So, my next question now is, since I'm vested with STE and ABF, what do I do with them? Especially STE which I bought at 3.7X. Thanks
 

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Thanks for the advice Shiny. Indeed would like to just buy and hold and not think about it. So, my next question now is, since I'm vested with STE and ABF, what do I do with them? Especially STE which I bought at 3.7X. Thanks

Sit on it. Go to the pub. Play with your kids. Get on with your life.

Your time horizon if you're buying-and-holding this stuff should be anywhere from 5 to 50 years.
 

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for me, i will advise wait for after crash then buy:o

I have two problems with people who say this:

#1: What if the crash never comes?

Look at the Dow in the 90s. In that decade, the index quadrupled and there was never a single pullback greater than 15%.

Imagine you're in 1988. The crash of '87 is in the rear view mirror, but the market's ticking higher already, and you're saying "oh I'll wait for the next crash, there'll inevitably be another". You'd have been sitting in cash for the next ten years and you'd have missed one of the greatest stock runs of all time.

It's totally OK - in fact it's smart - to keep some bullets in your bandolier so you can buy more stocks if there's a crash. That's the whole point of the "110-minus-your-age" portfolio and of rebalancing - if stocks crash, you rebalance and you buy them. But you don't want to be all in cash waiting for a crash that may never come.

And this leads me to my second point:

#2: When the crash comes, will you be able to buy?

Buying the dips is hard. It feels so wrong. You've probably seen this already. Whenever we have a pullback and I hop on here to say "if you were saying 'I'm gonna buy the dip': here's the dip, buy it", I get a torrent of replies saying "oh no this is the crash, you should go short here, everything is French-Connection-U-K-ed".

People have a thing called "recency bias" - whatever's happened most recently, we expect to happen again. Nobody remembers the 90s equity boomtime - they only remember the nonstop string of busts from the 00s and they think stocks will never go anywhere. Nobody remembers gold flatlining for two decades - they remember it screaming higher and they think it's going to go up again. That's why we hate buying the dip, and we look for any excuse to avoid it.

That's part of why automated rebalancing is such a good strategy - because it takes your emotions out of the equation. It forces you to buy low and sell high, rather than letting you follow your instincts (which, left unchecked, will make you buy high and sell low and end up bankrupt).

But, getting back to my original point - when the crash comes, most normal people will not be buying it. They'll be panicking and selling. And unless you are a robot, it's pretty likely you'll think "oh no it's just crashed, I'll wait a bit for it to bounce back" and by the time you actually say "oh it's bounced back I'll buy some now" it'll already be above where it was when you crashed.

And don't say to me "no I'm special I'll be able to control my emotions and buy the dip". Most people can't do this. I probably couldn't do it.

Here's an example: VEA and VWO have just come off 10% in my face. They've cost me tens of thousands. If I didn't have a rebalancing strategy telling me "right, you buy these now", I'd be sorely tempted to sell them and cut my losses... but that would be exactly the wrong thing to do.

So... buying the dip is the right thing to do, but it's hard. Very hard. And sitting 100% in cash saying "I'll wait for the crash, then I'll buy" is basically impossible.
 
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the other thing about crash is it is very difficult to predict the bottom
 
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