960 evo nvme vs sata ssd

[jnashville]

Hi everyone. I changed from using a sata 512gb Samsung 850 pro to a 500gb Samsung 960 evo.

Sequential speeds tested on the 960 evo was good giving me 3000mb read and about 1700mb writes as advertised.

The only problem I realised is the windows 10 boot Up time. My 850 pro seems to be faster.

When I power on, first page I see is a black screen showing geforce4 gtx 1080ti, next up is the American megatrends page( I went bios and removed logo page to start). After that the windows logo, with the circular dots spinning. At this juncture, for my 850 pro, it probably onky takes 2 or 3 seconds and it will launch the login page. Now on the 960 evo? It takes about 8 to 10 seconds before it goes to the login page.

Though it is still fast, wondering why it slower in boot times as compared to my previous 850 pro.

I tried things like disabling fast boot, disabling cms in bios, disabling my sata ports. Realise after installing my win 10, the volume is set to MBR. So I change it to GPT. Still no diff.

It's a clean win 10 installation as I also changed my whole rig.

Any ideas?

 

[tmfwy]

NVME prone to overheating
Please ensure you have heatsinks on them

I'm getting 5-8s boot from power on to WIndows on my WD Blacks

 

[jnashville]

NVME prone to overheating
Please ensure you have heatsinks on them

I'm getting 5-8s boot from power on to WIndows on my WD Blacks

Temps are fine plus it's initial boot up. Not like it's overheated upon initial boot ma.

 

[jtjt00]

Have you disable all except the NVME SSD as boot drive?

 

[wwenze]

Maybe because it has more drivers to load

 

[jnashville]

Have you disable all except the NVME SSD as boot drive?

Yea disabled my sata controller.

 

[Rashkae]

NVME prone to overheating
Please ensure you have heatsinks on them

No leh. Mine all no heat problems

 

[Encrypted11]

Only 2TB hot for the controller.

Too many dies in the flash packages.
Temps ok for the packages. Others sizes controller don't really overheat.

 

[Crooni]

nvme is faster on paper, but depends a lot on actual implementation like bios, windows initialization, resource allocation.

check bios version, check pcie lanes/slot config, those "shared lane" fineprint, check nvme drivers.

anyway boot time is affected by random read rather than sequential, actual difference is maybe 0-20% at best.

 

[commach]

Which M.2 slot are you using for the EVO 960 NVMe?

The M.2 slot near the last x16 slot supports only PCI-E/NVMe drives and shares all of its bandwidth with the last x16 slot. If the BIOS allowed, disable the last PCIe x16 slot.

 

[jnashville]

Which M.2 slot are you using for the EVO 960 NVMe?

The M.2 slot near the last x16 slot supports only PCI-E/NVMe drives and shares all of its bandwidth with the last x16 slot. If the BIOS allowed, disable the last PCIe x16 slot.

My motherboard is Gigabyte z370xp sli. Using the top m.2 slot. Both also pcie gen 3 x4

 

[Jamesky]

I am assuming the nvme drivers are installed instead of the ahci? Did you use UEFI instead of legacy BIOS?

I have been using this for more than a year now.. using Z170-N Gaming 5 mobo.. Boot time is fast.. Although the speed (as per the rating when doing benchmark) will drop over time..

 

[jnashville]

I am assuming the nvme drivers are installed instead of the ahci? Did you use UEFI instead of legacy BIOS?

I have been using this for more than a year now.. using Z170-N Gaming 5 mobo.. Boot time is fast.. Although the speed (as per the rating when doing benchmark) will drop over time..

By default I didn't have to install nvme drivers as upon installing windows, already have nvme drivers in the z370 board. But anyway I downloaded the Samsung nvme drivers again while in windows. But seems no improvement.

 

[watzup_ken]

nvme is faster on paper, but depends a lot on actual implementation like bios, windows initialization, resource allocation.

check bios version, check pcie lanes/slot config, those "shared lane" fineprint, check nvme drivers.

anyway boot time is affected by random read rather than sequential, actual difference is maybe 0-20% at best.

I think it has been mentioned/ discussed time and again, there is no significant difference between a SATA vs NVME SSD. The NVMC appears faster seq read/ write speed and you will noticed that it is faster when transferring some big files. When it comes to responsiveness, user is not going to experience any improvements, including boot up speeds.

Also, what you installed on the old vs new SSD will cause boot up time to change. What you installed includes the driver for your components and applications. It is not an apple to apple comparison.

 

[jnashville]

I definitely know that nvme and sata ssd in real world performance got not much difference.

That's not the question today. The question today is why the 960 evo during the windows boot logo takes 8 to 10 seconds while my Samsung 850 pro takes only 2 to 3 seconds.it shouldn't be.

 

[xonix]

I definitely know that nvme and sata ssd in real world performance got not much difference.

That's not the question today. The question today is why the 960 evo during the windows boot logo takes 8 to 10 seconds while my Samsung 850 pro takes only 2 to 3 seconds.it shouldn't be.

Fast boot enabled/disabled ?

 

[Jamesky]

Run msconfig... go to boot.. change default timeout (30) to 5.. or 0 if you wish.. save changes.

 

[jnashville]

Fast boot enabled/disabled ?

Tried enabled and disabled. No diff.

 

[jnashville]

Run msconfig... go to boot.. change default timeout (30) to 5.. or 0 if you wish.. save changes.

That's something new. Will try and update

 

[watzup_ken]

Are you using Window's default NVME driver or the one from Samsung? I am not sure if the below fix still applies, but just looking up in Google gave quite a lot of results on this issue.

go into the uefi, make sure csm is set to disabled*
then secure boot to uefi.
To fresh install on win 10 i had to disable csm and turn secure boot to other os then after the installation, before windows configures, go back into the bios and changed secure boot to windows uefi,*
*
then i downloaded samsungs nvme driver.