A query on getting tax reduction by donation

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Isn't donation makes you "spend" more? If you don't donate and just pay the taxes accordingly, it may be lesser ultimately. Correct me if I'm wrong. Am I missing something here?
 

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Income tax come in tier. You pay more on higher tier as the jump in percentage is not linear. So on higher tier for some donation can reduce the total amount earned to be calculated for taxation. SRS is a scheme similar.

So for me I see I am in which tier. The bottom tier donation to less taxation see nothing. But if on higher tier depend your donation amount can save a bit.
 

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Not sure I understand this at all. Isn't the donation being made from the same finite pool of money, more precisely a particular year's income? All reasonable assumptions in place, donations are a type of spending.
 

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Income tax come in tier. You pay more on higher tier as the jump in percentage is not linear. So on higher tier for some donation can reduce the total amount earned to be calculated for taxation. SRS is a scheme similar.

So for me I see I am in which tier. The bottom tier donation to less taxation see nothing. But if on higher tier depend your donation amount can save a bit.
This is an illogical reason. You go calculate and think properly. Even if you are on the 20% tier, it still won't make sense.
 

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This is an illogical reason. You go calculate and think properly. Even if you are on the 20% tier, it still won't make sense.
Ok then tell me about the SRS why it exist? Here I assume the donation can be used to offset from your annual income earned before start the tax calculation
 

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Not sure I understand this at all. Isn't the donation being made from the same finite pool of money, more precisely a particular year's income? All reasonable assumptions in place, donations are a type of spending.
Maybe you can check why SRS exist. Is the donation you are mentioning able to be minus off from your yearly income before the tax calculation starts?
 

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Ok then tell me about the SRS why it exist? Here I assume the donation can be used to offset from your annual income earned before start the tax calculation
Let's say you are in the 20% tier bracket and you donate $1000. The deduction at 2.5X will be $2500 lesser amount to be taxed at 20%. This translates to $500 saved in taxes. 1) If you don't donate, your net savings is $500. 2) If you donate, you save $500 in taxes paid, but net output is $1000 to charity, so you are still in a state of loss at $500. Get it now?

SRS is different. SRS is merely putting money aside for your future self. It is still YOUR money that you can use when you hit the age to withdraw. Its also an account which you can use for investment to grow it.
 

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Let's say you are in the 20% tier bracket and you donate $1000. The deduction at 2.5X will be $2500 lesser amount to be taxed at 20%. This translates to $500 saved in taxes. 1) If you don't donate, your net savings is $500. 2) If you donate, you save $500 in taxes paid, but net output is $1000 to charity, so you are still in a state of loss at $500. Get it now?

SRS is different. SRS is merely putting money aside for your future self. It is still YOUR money that you can use when you hit the age to withdraw. Its also an account which you can use for investment to grow it.
I will not debate with how you count the donation but for SRS you are wrong it is for tax relief

https://www.iras.gov.sg/taxes/indiv...viduals/special-tax-schemes/srs-contributions
 

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I will not debate with how you count the donation but for SRS you are wrong it is for tax relief

https://www.iras.gov.sg/taxes/indiv...viduals/special-tax-schemes/srs-contributions
Yah, SRS is for tax relief, but its NOT a spending, unlike donation. Like I said, you are still setting aside money for yourself. The money in your SRS account doesn't disappear. Its the same as topping up your CPF SA. Look, have you even practised any of these or are you just trying to write here with theories?
 

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Let's say you are in the 20% tier bracket and you donate $1000. The deduction at 2.5X will be $2500 lesser amount to be taxed at 20%. This translates to $500 saved in taxes. 1) If you don't donate, your net savings is $500. 2) If you donate, you save $500 in taxes paid, but net output is $1000 to charity, so you are still in a state of loss at $500. Get it now?

SRS is different. SRS is merely putting money aside for your future self. It is still YOUR money that you can use when you hit the age to withdraw. Its also an account which you can use for investment to grow it.
Ok you assume at same tier but if say you are at their at tier 11.5%. If you donate you drop tier to 7 %. So your tax calculation is based on 7 not 11.5 and the amount will be different
 

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Ok you assume at same tier but if say you are at their at tier 11.5%. If you donate you drop tier to 7 %. So your tax calculation is based on 7 not 11.5 and the amount will be different
No, the amount you save will still not be more than what you donated. Go do the math pls.
 

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No, the amount you save will still not be more than what you donated. Go do the math pls.
Ooh you are correct. TS ctan84 is correct so please don't donate as it is not helping. I have never donated and now I do my own maths it is indeed rugi. But maybe you gain some compassion not in monetary terms.

Sorry for earlier wrong example pls follow ctan84 calculation.
 

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When you donate, the tax savings is merely a secondary benefit. You donate only if there's truly a cause you want to help lah.
 

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Yah, SRS is for tax relief, but its NOT a spending, unlike donation. Like I said, you are still setting aside money for yourself. The money in your SRS account doesn't disappear. Its the same as topping up your CPF SA. Look, have you even practised any of these or are you just trying to write here with theories?
I acknowledge my wrong example. As for topping up and SRS never participated as I want to invest my own live monies since my CPF are essentially dead monies.

I am strongly against transforming live monies into dead monies give govt go take invest and pay measly interest rate back to us using our monies. Medical ok but not OA,SA they should give higher since they hold our monies so long
 

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Isn't donation makes you "spend" more? If you don't donate and just pay the taxes accordingly, it may be lesser ultimately. Correct me if I'm wrong. Am I missing something here?
If donate can spend less, who would want to pay income tax?
No tax money, how will govt spend?
 

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Some employers also offer matching gift programs, so when you donate you get tax relief, the charity gets your donation (less card processing costs if you used a debit or credit card), and your employer doubles (for example) your donation. You don't do this because you care only about yourself. You do this to support charitable causes you care about, hopefully to make the world a better place.

Yes, I made charitable donations in 2021. You still have a very little bit of time as I write this to make charitable donations in 2021 if you want tax relief that affects your 2022 Year of Assessment (i.e. reduces your income tax payments in 2022). If you are eligible for tax relief then really what you should do is increase your donation since you're getting some of that money back in the form of a lower income tax bill.
 

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To TS's question, I think you should have the charitable mindset even if it does not come with tax relief. It is its own reward. There are behavioural economics studies showing that spending money on others results in more happiness than spending on oneself.

Ahh, thank you. This is what I wanted to see. Maybe I should rephrase my query as like this, "Why are ppl donating if you can't save more than the amount you donate"?
 

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Maybe I should rephrase my query as like this, "Why are ppl donating if you can't save more than the amount you donate"?
Simple: Because they want to be philanthropic. They want to support charitable causes they care about, and they want those less fortunate to be better off -- and the world to be a better place. It gives them joy to spread happiness/reduce suffering. Maybe, occasionally, they boost their reputations in society and see the benefit in that -- their names engraved on the donor registry, or whatever.

At the end of the day wealth just sitting somewhere is just an electronic number in a database. Many people experience no greater joy in getting another iPhone, or whatever.(*) So why not use surplus wealth to make other people happier? And if the government is kicking in some dollars in the form of tax relief (a partial return of my donation in the form of a lower tax bill), great, all the better.

(*) There are actually some good studies attempting to answer this "satiation" question: "How much wealth/income is enough to reach peak obtainable happiness?" And the answer is roughly speaking "upper middle class U.S. standards." (The Princeton study looked at the U.S.) Past that point you might be able to buy more for yourself, and you might do that, but you won't be any happier. You'll just have more stuff. People vary of course, but that's the typical experience if these studies are correct.
 

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To TS's question, I think you should have the charitable mindset even if it does not come with tax relief. It is its own reward. There are behavioural economics studies showing that spending money on others results in more happiness than spending on oneself.
its a fact the cash outflow will be higher vs not donating, however i donate not to save on 20% tax, but really to help on a charitable clause. if one donate just for taxation reasons, then it defeat the purpose of a charitable mindset
 
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