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I'm a homemaker and would appreciate advice on what are my options.

I currently have only $65k in my SA, transferred everything out of my OA. Using a compound interest calculator at 4% interest rate, I will only have around $135k at 55. This falls short of the FRS of $176k. I read that I have the option to top up cash:

- Top up cash of $130k to get ERS
- Top up cash of $42k to get FRS

Q1: When is the best time to do this? Is it one lump sum top up at 55?

Q2: And I also read that I cant get the top up cash back, what are the implications of that?

Q3: Is it a bad idea to top up $130k cash to get ERS, or is it better to keep the cash available for use?

Q4: Of course best if hubby can transfer his cpf in excess of FRS/ERS to mine, is there a formula to estimate how much my hubby's CPF will have at 55 (based on currently salary)?

Appreciate all advice, thank you in advance :)
 

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I'm a homemaker and would appreciate advice on what are my options.

I currently have only $65k in my SA, transferred everything out of my OA. Using a compound interest calculator at 4% interest rate, I will only have around $135k at 55. This falls short of the FRS of $176k. I read that I have the option to top up cash:

- Top up cash of $130k to get ERS
- Top up cash of $42k to get FRS

Q1: When is the best time to do this? Is it one lump sum top up at 55?

Q2: And I also read that I cant get the top up cash back, what are the implications of that?

Q3: Is it a bad idea to top up $130k cash to get ERS, or is it better to keep the cash available for use?

Q4: Of course best if hubby can transfer his cpf in excess of FRS/ERS to mine, is there a formula to estimate how much my hubby's CPF will have at 55 (based on currently salary)?

Appreciate all advice, thank you in advance :)

Ask your hubby to top up now 7k per year.
 

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Do note that the FRS amount goes up every year. By the time you're 55, it would be over 200k easily

Would be good if your husband could top up your account with cash and also get tax relief for himself
 

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I'm a homemaker and would appreciate advice on what are my options.

I currently have only $65k in my SA, transferred everything out of my OA. Using a compound interest calculator at 4% interest rate, I will only have around $135k at 55. This falls short of the FRS of $176k. I read that I have the option to top up cash:

- Top up cash of $130k to get ERS
- Top up cash of $42k to get FRS

Q1: When is the best time to do this? Is it one lump sum top up at 55?

Q2: And I also read that I cant get the top up cash back, what are the implications of that?

Q3: Is it a bad idea to top up $130k cash to get ERS, or is it better to keep the cash available for use?

Q4: Of course best if hubby can transfer his cpf in excess of FRS/ERS to mine, is there a formula to estimate how much my hubby's CPF will have at 55 (based on currently salary)?

Appreciate all advice, thank you in advance :)

65k compounded almost 20 years to 135k. By that time FRS would have escalated from 176k to god knows that number :s13:


Top up whatever you can to 176k (FRS - ERS applicable from age 55) and whatever goes in kiss it good bye till age 65 the earliest.

If top up to prevailing FRS of 176k, it will quite certainly grow faster than the annual increase in FRS and by the time you are 55, amount in excess of the then FRS can be withdraw, if needed.

Top ups cannot be used for property charge to withdraw amount in excess of BRS.

Best if hubby can transfer as much of his OA (earning 2.5%) to your SA (earning 4%), if his OA is never going to be used.
 

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Q1: When is the best time to do this? Is it one lump sum top up at 55?
Now would be excellent, and it can be up to the Full Retirement Sum. I agree that it'd be best if your spouse can get some tax relief in the process.

Q2: And I also read that I cant get the top up cash back, what are the implications of that?
Oh you'll get the top up(s) back, with attractive interest accrued along the way, in the form of higher CPF LIFE payouts that can begin as early as age 65. This is all about boosting your age 65+ income for the rest of your life.

Q3: Is it a bad idea to top up $130k cash to get ERS, or is it better to keep the cash available for use?
First of all, you (and others) can only top up your SA to the current Full Retirement Sum. When your Retirement Account (RA) is created on your 55th birthday, you (and others) can then top up the RA to the then current Enhanced Retirement Sum.

To answer your question, we need to ask a question in reply: how do you plan to invest your cash in the alternative, if not this way?

Q4: Of course best if hubby can transfer his cpf in excess of FRS/ERS to mine, is there a formula to estimate how much my hubby's CPF will have at 55 (based on currently salary)?
Actually, the best is if your spouse can make a cash top up and win some tax relief.

Top up whatever you can to 176k (FRS - ERS applicable from age 55) and whatever goes in kiss it good bye till age 65 the earliest.
Except for the part you're about to describe below, plus there's already a balance from compulsory funding (presumably), or at least there's the minimum age 55+ withdrawal option.

If top up to prevailing FRS of 176k, it will quite certainly grow faster than the annual increase in FRS and by the time you are 55, amount in excess of the then FRS can be withdraw, if needed.
Right.

Best if hubby can transfer as much of his OA (earning 2.5%) to your SA (earning 4%), if his OA is never going to be used.
That particular option may be available if this husband is under age 55. A $7,000 cash top up with tax relief could be more attractive (higher priority), though.
 

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Thank you all so much for your advice. Really appreciate it

Topping up a cash sum of $110k (shortfall to reach FRS) is possible but rather scary to do that, instead of having more emergency cash on hand.

If i understand correctly, the next best option would be for hubby to top up 7k cash yearly? Is that likely to cover future increases in FRS?

I'm confused on the difference between topping up cash versus transferring OA to SA...

Currently, hubby's OA is paying off our HDB loan, which leads to another question: Would the OA be better utilised paying off the HDB loan earlier, or to top up my SA starting now?
 

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Thank you all so much for your advice. Really appreciate it

Topping up a cash sum of $110k (shortfall to reach FRS) is possible but rather scary to do that, instead of having more emergency cash on hand.

If i understand correctly, the next best option would be for hubby to top up 7k cash yearly? Is that likely to cover future increases in FRS?

I'm confused on the difference between topping up cash versus transferring OA to SA...

You can certainly calculate how much your SA of 65k will grow with annual top up of $7k (by hubby) and whether it will catch up with FRS by the time you are 55. You can assume present FRS of 176k grows by 3% annually, assuming you have no working CPF contribution.

Your hubby can top up your SA by cash or by transferring his OA to your SA, if he has already met prevailing FRS in his SA. Cash top up will get tax relief of 7k whereas transfer of OA is not entitled to tax relief.
 

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If i understand correctly, the next best option would be for hubby to top up 7k cash yearly? Is that likely to cover future increases in FRS?

....Currently, hubby's OA is paying off our HDB loan, which leads to another question: Would the OA be better utilised paying off the HDB loan earlier, or to top up my SA starting now?

You can certainly calculate how much your SA of 65k will grow with annual top up of $7k (by hubby) and whether it will catch up with FRS by the time you are 55. You can assume present FRS of 176k grows by 3% annually, assuming you have no working CPF contribution.

Your hubby can top up your SA by cash or by transferring his OA to your SA, if he has already met prevailing FRS in his SA. Cash top up will get tax relief of 7k whereas transfer of OA is not entitled to tax relief.
So let’s boil this down a bit. Here’s what seems like a great approach:

1. Your husband tops up your SA by $7,000 with cash, now, to enjoy tax relief.

2. If you and he feel comfortable adding some more cash now — especially cash that would otherwise be earning less than 2.5% interest (the OA interest rate) — then do that. Yes, you can and should be sensitive to how much emergency reserve you feel you need, but remember that your spouse’s OA is paying the mortgage, so that OA balance counts as emergency reserve for the mortgage.

3. Then look at whether your husband should transfer some OA dollars to your SA, and Henry explained when that’s allowed. Specifically, we’re assuming that your husband’s SA has reached the FRS. If it hasn’t, let us know. ;)

4. Then you look at whether it makes sense to pay down the mortgage faster than scheduled. Answer: Probably not, not in today’s low interest rate world. For example, if you have a bank mortgage, it’s probably ~2% interest, and even your husband’s OA is beating that (2.5%).

Does that sequence seem reasonable as a start? It’s good that you’re digging into these issues. I think it’s quite important for both spouses/partners to have baseline financial security in retirement, and that’s what we do in our household, too — we work and have fun together while being our own selves. CPF balances don’t have to be exactly equal at every moment, but I think they should be reasonably funded for both. So kudos to you both for thinking ahead.
 

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Corrrect me if i am wrong but one will be able to meet the requirement whenever the date once they have met the FRS sum as of TODAY based on the estimated increase of 3% per year right? I cannot imagine the min sum being 300k or more in 20 years. Will be better to migrate and draw out everything.

65k compounded almost 20 years to 135k. By that time FRS would have escalated from 176k to god knows that number :s13:


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Corrrect me if i am wrong but one will be able to meet the requirement whenever the date once they have met the FRS sum as of TODAY based on the estimated increase of 3% per year right? I cannot imagine the min sum being 300k or more in 20 years. Will be better to migrate and draw out everything.

As long as the estimated increase every year stays at less than 4%, then yes, you will stay ahead of whatever the future FRS amount is if you have already achieved it today
 

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Corrrect me if i am wrong but one will be able to meet the requirement whenever the date once they have met the FRS sum as of TODAY based on the estimated increase of 3% per year right? I cannot imagine the min sum being 300k or more in 20 years. Will be better to migrate and draw out everything.
I agree with Aries89, but I want to respond to your last sentence: no, it wouldn’t. On balance, it’d be terrific if the government jacked up the FRS/ERS. (BRS, maybe some objection if it’s jacked up “too high.”) There’s absolutely no obligation to deposit cash to hit the FRS, as any homemaker who has a zero SA/RA balance can tell you. This is not a bill the government sends you, demanding payment to yourself if you “fall short.” It’s just a participation limit in an assured lifetime retirement income program, and many people would appreciate the option to participate at some higher level than allowed.

And I can easily imagine a FRS of $300,000 in 20 years. Today’s (2019) is $176,000. In 20 years with a little less than 2.8%/year increases you get to $300,000. That’s just math.
 
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So let’s boil this down a bit. Here’s what seems like a great approach:

1. Your husband tops up your SA by $7,000 with cash, now, to enjoy tax relief.

2. If you and he feel comfortable adding some more cash now — especially cash that would otherwise be earning less than 2.5% interest (the OA interest rate) — then do that. Yes, you can and should be sensitive to how much emergency reserve you feel you need, but remember that your spouse’s OA is paying the mortgage, so that OA balance counts as emergency reserve for the mortgage.

3. Then look at whether your husband should transfer some OA dollars to your SA, and Henry explained when that’s allowed. Specifically, we’re assuming that your husband’s SA has reached the FRS. If it hasn’t, let us know. ;)

4. Then you look at whether it makes sense to pay down the mortgage faster than scheduled. Answer: Probably not, not in today’s low interest rate world. For example, if you have a bank mortgage, it’s probably ~2% interest, and even your husband’s OA is beating that (2.5%).

Does that sequence seem reasonable as a start? It’s good that you’re digging into these issues. I think it’s quite important for both spouses/partners to have baseline financial security in retirement, and that’s what we do in our household, too — we work and have fun together while being our own selves. CPF balances don’t have to be exactly equal at every moment, but I think they should be reasonably funded for both. So kudos to you both for thinking ahead.

Agree with you, we strive for that in our household too. :) Thank you all so much for breaking the issues down for me. It seems like a good approach.

1. I read on a finance blog that we don't need to meet the FRS "tier" amount in order to get the monthly payouts, and that the payout is prorated based on what you have even if it's in between the BRS and FRS, as in my case. Is this true? I would still probably go for the 7k top ups for more financial security with the lifelong payouts.

2. My hubby's SA hasn't reached FRS, so now I know that transferring some of his OA to mine is not an option. We have a HDB loan at 2.6%, which was why I previously planned on doing partial capital repayment with his OA monies exceeding 20k. But we also talked about whether we should transfer to his SA for that compounding effect, or pay off the loan a bit earlier, or do neither. Any thoughts on that is appreciated. :)

I know we need to consider whether we would be using the OA for future home purchase and I can't say with 100% certainty that we will not be needing the OA in future. On the surface, it seems to make sense to do partial capital repayment for OA monies above 20k since the interest rate is 2.5%. On the other hand, the difference is only 1%.

3. I am also confused on 2 other things I read on CPF's website. About the CPF Life Basic Plan, CPF's website says that "you will experience a gradual decrease in your monthly payouts due to the reduction in extra interest paid to your RA when these balances fall below $60,000. Hence, Basic Plan payouts are not level throughout." What is the exact amount it decreases to?

4. For the cash top ups, you guys mentioned that it can't be used during property pledge in future. I tried reading CPF's website on this but I still don't understand what this part means exactly?
 

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1. I read on a finance blog that we don't need to meet the FRS "tier" amount in order to get the monthly payouts, and that the payout is prorated based on what you have even if it's in between the BRS and FRS, as in my case. Is this true?
That's true. Less money in your eventual Retirement Account means a lower monthly retirement payout. More means a bigger payout.

2. My hubby's SA hasn't reached FRS, so now I know that transferring some of his OA to mine is not an option. We have a HDB loan at 2.6%, which was why I previously planned on doing partial capital repayment with his OA monies exceeding 20k. But we also talked about whether we should transfer to his SA for that compounding effect, or pay off the loan a bit earlier, or do neither. Any thoughts on that is appreciated. :)
Accelerating repayment on a HDB loan means you get a 2.6% return on your money, and then that money is parked as (variable) equity in the leasehold. Transferring OA dollars to SA mean those dollars earn 4% interest, and then they boost your (your husband's) future retirement income for life and/or provide more funds that can be withdrawn from age 55 onward.

I think the 4% is the much better deal in this comparison. It's still prudent to maintain enough emergency reserve, including in OA, to service the HDB loan during (for example) an extended bout of unemployment. Amounts above that probably ought to be transferred to SA.

I know we need to consider whether we would be using the OA for future home purchase and I can't say with 100% certainty that we will not be needing the OA in future.
That's a consideration, but there's a cost: 1.5 percentage points of interest. Also, as your husband continues to work, his and his employer's compulsory contributions continue to stream into CPF, including into OA. It's a cup that gets refilled at least at some pace. So take that into account, too.

On the surface, it seems to make sense to do partial capital repayment for OA monies above 20k since the interest rate is 2.5%. On the other hand, the difference is only 1%.
I think you mean OA to SA transfers, and that's "only" 1.5 percentage points. Which is a huge difference, actually, when you compound the extra interest annually out to age 55 and beyond.

3. I am also confused on 2 other things I read on CPF's website. About the CPF Life Basic Plan, CPF's website says that "you will experience a gradual decrease in your monthly payouts due to the reduction in extra interest paid to your RA when these balances fall below $60,000. Hence, Basic Plan payouts are not level throughout." What is the exact amount it decreases to?
I wouldn't worry too much about payout plan selection since you won't actually make that decision until circa age 64.9 at the earliest. That's many, many years into the future, and by then CPF might have one or a couple new payout plans to choose from. Who knows.

However, to answer your question, yes, the CPF Basic Plan is a little weird. The monthly payouts are relatively flat (in nominal dollars, meaning the purchasing power of those level dollars erodes over time with inflation), but there's a very slight, one-time dip of a couple percentage points several years into the payout stream.

4. For the cash top ups, you guys mentioned that it can't be used during property pledge in future. I tried reading CPF's website on this but I still don't understand what this part means exactly?
This characteristic only ever matters if you decide to choose a monthly retirement payout that's less than Full Retirement Sum level. Meaning, basically, that you're running short of money somewhere between age 55 and age 65, and you need to sacrifice some of your future retirement income in exchange for an immediate withdrawal within that particular decade. Obviously you should hope you don't end up in that situation because a FRS-level monthly payout is certainly not living with fine caviar and champagne -- far from it -- but that's the situation.

OK, with that background, SA/RA top ups, plus accrued interest on those top ups, must be paid out as monthly retirement benefits. So that portion you're not allowed to pull out as immediate cash at age 55+. But $5,000 in cash is practically always available as a withdrawal option from age 55+, and more if you have non-top up funding. For example, if your husband transfers some OA dollars to his SA, those dollars don't fall under this particular rule.

Anyway, if you're aiming for FRS-level monthly payouts or higher, it absolutely doesn't matter. If you're aiming for below FRS-level payouts, it might (depending on how big your top ups are relative to other contributions), but you'll have some number of dollars you can withdraw at age 55+ if you need to.
 

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Accelerating repayment on a HDB loan means you get a 2.6% return on your money, and then that money is parked as (variable) equity in the leasehold. Transferring OA dollars to SA mean those dollars earn 4% interest, and then they boost your (your husband's) future retirement income for life and/or provide more funds that can be withdrawn from age 55 onward.

I think the 4% is the much better deal in this comparison. It's still prudent to maintain enough emergency reserve, including in OA, to service the HDB loan during (for example) an extended bout of unemployment. Amounts above that probably ought to be transferred to SA.

That's a consideration, but there's a cost: 1.5 percentage points of interest. Also, as your husband continues to work, his and his employer's compulsory contributions continue to stream into CPF, including into OA. It's a cup that gets refilled at least at some pace. So take that into account, too.

Makes sense to me, thank you for raising those points :)

OK, with that background, SA/RA top ups, plus accrued interest on those top ups, must be paid out as monthly retirement benefits. So that portion you're not allowed to pull out as immediate cash at age 55+. But $5,000 in cash is practically always available as a withdrawal option from age 55+, and more if you have non-top up funding. For example, if your husband transfers some OA dollars to his SA, those dollars don't fall under this particular rule.

Q1: To confirm my understanding of this, the following can't be withdrawn even if RA/SA exceeds FRS ?

- 7k yearly cash tops up by hubby into my SA from now until im 55
- Compounded interest from the above

Q2: My current SA compounded til 55 will be $134k. As this doesnt meet FRS and the cash top ups don't count, this means I can only withdraw $5k at 55?

Q3: Whatever amount that will be in my RA at 55 will go towards CPF Life and then at 64.9, I don't get to choose the payout amount? I thought I saw some CPF graphic that illustrated we can choose between BRS, FRS, ERS..

Q4: Can the cash top ups in excess of FRS be withdrawn at any other age?

Q5: Hubby's transfers from OA to SA don't fall under this rule (phew). What about transfers from his OA to my SA (after his SA exceeds FRS in the future)?
 

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A1. at 55 when RA is created with FRS, any balance in SA and OA can be withdrawn at anytime in any amount.

A2. yes. Can only withdraw $5k anytime therefrom. At 65 can again withdraw 20% lump of RA, inclusive of the $5k, anytime.

A3. your remaining RA will go towards CPF Life and you decide on the plan and when you want life payout to commence, anytime from 65 to 70.

A4. see A1.

A5. hubby transfers his OA (if eligible) to your SA. Your SA will go into RA at 55 and any balance can be withdrawn as in A1.
 

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Oh, one is able to withdraw again at 65 20% of RA even if he took out the balance OA/SA after RA was created?

A1. at 55 when RA is created with FRS, any balance in SA and OA can be withdrawn at anytime in any amount.

A2. yes. Can only withdraw $5k anytime therefrom. At 65 can again withdraw 20% lump of RA, inclusive of the $5k, anytime.

A3. your remaining RA will go towards CPF Life and you decide on the plan and when you want life payout to commence, anytime from 65 to 70.

A4. see A1.

A5. hubby transfers his OA (if eligible) to your SA. Your SA will go into RA at 55 and any balance can be withdrawn as in A1.
 

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Here are the age 55+ and age 65+ withdrawal rules in summary form. Quoting CPF:

CPF said:
From 55 years old:

You can withdraw your Special Account (SA) and Ordinary Account (OA) savings after setting aside your Full Retirement Sum (FRS) in your Retirement Account (RA). The FRS can be set aside fully with cash, or with cash (i.e. at least the Basic Retirement Sum) and property.

*If you have not set aside your FRS or BRS with property, you can still withdraw up to $5,000. For members born before 1958, the rules applicable to you may be found here in our FAQ.

*You may also withdraw your RA savings (excluding top-up monies, government grants, and interest earned) above your BRS if you own a property. To find out about withdrawal from RA if you own a property, please refer to our FAQ....

From payout eligibility age (65 years old):

For members who turned 55 from 2013 (i.e. born in 1958 or after), you also have the option to withdraw a lump sum of up to 20% of the savings in your Retirement Account as at your 65th birthday. This includes the first $5,000 you can withdraw at 55.

For members who turned 55 in 2012 (i.e. born in 1957), you can already withdraw up to 10% of your Special Account and Ordinary Account savings since you turned 55. Hence, you will have the option to withdraw a lump sum of up to 10% of the savings in your Retirement Account as at your 65th birthday....
I would add that the age 55+ and age 65+ withdrawal choices are options, not obligations. You should try to prepare and plan NOT to exercise these options, via other savings and prudent investing. The primary reason I say that is that CPF becomes a weirdly high yielding “piggybank” from age 55 onward, still with very attractive and reliable interest. Hopefully it’s not the first place you’re looking, soonest, to raise funds to pay the electric bill, put food on the table, etc. The logical, sensible thing to do ahead of CPF withdrawals is to draw down other assets that are less attractive from an investment point of view.

Let’s pick an easy example. Let’s suppose you have accumulated $15,000 in SSBs that pay about 2% interest per year and $15,000 of CPF savings that would be withdrawn at age 55. You need $600 immediately because the washing machine has broken down, you need a new one, and you’re flat broke otherwise. Should you tap your SSBs or your CPF savings for your washing machine? The correct answer is your SSBs. (And we’re going to assume here you charge the washing machine to a credit card, you request a SSB redemption which adds some funds to your bank account fairly quickly, and you pay off the credit card bill in full when it comes, as you always do — highly preferably via automatic GIRO.) They’re earning a much lower rate of interest than your CPF savings. There’s a “withdrawal hierarchy,” and CPF assets probably should be among the last assets that you draw down.

So that’s why I say you ought to aspire to be at least reasonably financially secure enough such that you’re very unlikely to make any CPF withdrawals, because it’s just such an attractive, high interest, on demand savings account from age 55 onward. And when there’s a great deal running like that, you want to let it run longer than any other deals that are less great.

Said another way, if you’re withdrawing CPF savings at age 55 you might be in some degree of financial trouble. Sometimes that happens, and then thank goodness for CPF. But don’t plan and don’t aspire to be in financial trouble. CPF should not be your sole pool of savings as you’re gasping for financial air while blowing out your 55th birthday cake’s candles — that’s not what you should be aiming for, if you can help it. Aim to do better.
 
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Thank you henrylbh and BBCWatcher, you guys have amazing knowledge :)

BBCWatcher, I am fully with you on the importance of having other savings and not relying on CPF withdrawals alone (maybe for high income earners they can). To be honest, the current payout on the Basic/Standard plan, $1300-1400 is hardly reassuring. It is worrying, especially if the other spouse passes on and then we are left with $1400~ instead of a combined $2800~ (assuming both took Standard plan). I'm also thinking of the hospitalization & surgical plan premiums which in old age will be in the thousands. And if we are less mobile, we will need to hire a helper so $1400 for the surviving spouse is grossly insufficient. Which is my I'm saving hard to make sure that we will have sufficient savings to supplement CPF.

If hubby's RA is not able to meet the ERS in about 20 years (ERS about $477k then, i used a 3% compound interest calculator, pls tell me if it is wrong). One of the options I'm considering is to top up cash for the shortfall needed. It will depend on how much is the shortfall then and how comfortable we are with our other savings.

But how does the cash top up work? Is it that at 55, I have the option to top up cash to meet ERS, and then the ERS sum is "locked in" and can't be withdrawn in lump sum anymore?
 
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But how does the cash top up work? Is it that at 55, I have the option to top up cash to meet ERS, and then the ERS sum is "locked in" and can't be withdrawn in lump sum anymore?
It's a little unclear, and it's really a question for CPF about how much of that ERS-level Retirement Account at age 55 can be withdrawn later. It appears the answer is about a third of principal (a third of the age 55 amount), with a property pledge, can be withdrawn later. But it's not a scenario CPF illustrates, so I'd ask when the time comes.

It's important for spouses/partners to make cross-CPF nominations, now. That is, your husband nominates you as the recipient of his CPF assets upon his demise, and vice versa. One little trick is that both of you can do something like this:

99.98%: to my spouse
0.01%: to my child #1
0.01%: to my child #2
Total = 100%

The reason you'd do that is that you don't actually have to revise your CPF nomination after your spouse dies. It also handles the exceedingly rare event if both of you were to die simultaneously.

Here's where I should ask this sort of question: how comfortable do you and your husband feel with long-term investing aside from CPF, in having a portion of savings in a broad, diverse collection of stocks, accumulated then drawn down over some decades?
 

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To be honest, the current payout on the Basic/Standard plan, $1300-1400 is hardly reassuring. It is worrying, especially if the other spouse passes on and then we are left with $1400~ instead of a combined $2800~ (assuming both took Standard plan). I'm also thinking of the hospitalization & surgical plan premiums which in old age will be in the thousands. And if we are less mobile, we will need to hire a helper so $1400 for the surviving spouse is grossly insufficient. Which is my I'm saving hard to make sure that we will have sufficient savings to supplement CPF.

By the time when one party passes on, how would the survivor be affected even if left with $1400? Unless there is no bequest or savings/insurance.
 
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