Advise needed for CPF usage (HDB, OA, SA)

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Hi experts, need your advice on my CPF. I'm in my early 30s, sole bread winner. Have a HDB that is 250K, took a HDB loan 160K. Paid 70K in 5 years, with monthly 900 repayment and did a few lump sum payment using CPF when I accumulated.

I have about 1200 in ordinary account, 900 to service HDB loan every month.

As I'm left with only 90K HDB loan, I wonder what are the steps I should take?
1. Clear my HDB loan ASAP, then transfer OA to SA for retirement
2. Slowly pay my HDB loan, transfer OA to SA, or invest in stocks using OA

Please advice. Thanks
 

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Hi experts, need your advice on my CPF. I'm in my early 30s, sole bread winner. Have a HDB that is 250K, took a HDB loan 160K. Paid 70K in 5 years, with monthly 900 repayment and did a few lump sum payment using CPF when I accumulated.

I have about 1200 in ordinary account, 900 to service HDB loan every month.

As I'm left with only 90K HDB loan, I wonder what are the steps I should take?
1. Clear my HDB loan ASAP, then transfer OA to SA for retirement
2. Slowly pay my HDB loan, transfer OA to SA, or invest in stocks using OA

Please advice. Thanks

The most important fact is the one bolded.

Hence i would recommend that you do any OA-> SA transfers AFTER your loan is cleared ie path 1)...
 

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I guess logically If u are able to generate returns greater than the interest rate then it would make sense to do investments. But to play on the safe side it is less risky to just pay off the loan and only invest with money after u laid the bills
 

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Here's what I'd do....

(a) Make sure your household is appropriately insured, in a cost efficient way, against potential calamities. That usually means the "big 3": simple term life insurance, a decent Integrated Shield medical insurance policy (an "as charged" B1 ward policy is the economic choice), and disability income insurance.

(b) Retire any high cost debt, such as credit card debt. (Your HDB loan at 2.6% is not high cost debt.)

(c) Accumulate an emergency reserve fund that will sustain the household for at least 6 months, preferably 12, if your income from work were to cease. Cash in the form of your ordinary bank deposit (~2 months) plus a Singapore Savings Bond (~4+ months) is the preferred formula since cash can be used for anything, although your CPF Ordinary Account is a second best choice for the portion that would service your HDB loan.

(d) After taking care of the first three imperatives, to save for retirement I'd put your first 14,000 cash dollars into CPF Special Account top-ups: $7,000 into your SA, and $7,000 into your non-working spouse's SA. I'm assuming that would mean you qualify for $14,000 of tax relief, and this tax relief is why you should use cash for your top-ups, first. If you can only afford $3,000 per spouse ($6,000 total), OK, do that. (Although probably just put $6,000 into your spouse's SA in that case. Prioritize contributions to the CPF SA of the spouse that still qualifies for bonus interest, which is probably your non-working spouse's SA.)

Read the tax rules carefully to make sure you understand whether you qualify for tax relief, but take maximum advantage of the tax relief if you can.

(e) OA to SA conversions can then optionally come after satisfying the above steps.

(f) If you still want/can save more, then you can explore dollar cost averaging into a low cost, well diversified index fund. I do not recommend using OA or SA for this purpose since the CPF Investment Scheme choices are not attractive.
 
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I guess logically If u are able to generate returns greater than the interest rate then it would make sense to do investments. But to play on the safe side it is less risky to just pay off the loan and only invest with money after u laid the bills

Thank you. I will keep this in mind
 

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Here's what I'd do....

(a) Make sure your household is appropriately insured, in a cost efficient way, against potential calamities. That usually means the "big 3": simple term life insurance, a decent Integrated Shield medical insurance policy (an "as charged" B1 ward policy is the economic choice), and disability income insurance.

(b) Retire any high cost debt, such as credit card debt. (Your HDB loan at 2.6% is not high cost debt.)

(c) Accumulate an emergency reserve fund that will sustain the household for at least 6 months, preferably 12, if your income from work were to cease. Cash in the form of your ordinary bank deposit (~2 months) plus a Singapore Savings Bond (~4+ months) is the preferred formula since cash can be used for anything, although your CPF Ordinary Account is a second best choice for the portion that would service your HDB loan.

(d) After taking care of the first three imperatives, to save for retirement I'd put your first 14,000 cash dollars into CPF Special Account top-ups: $7,000 into your SA, and $7,000 into your non-working spouse's SA. I'm assuming that would mean you qualify for $14,000 of tax relief, and this tax relief is why you should use cash for your top-ups, first. If you can only afford $3,000 per spouse ($6,000 total), OK, do that. (Although probably just put $6,000 into your spouse's SA in that case. Prioritize contributions to the CPF SA of the spouse that still qualifies for bonus interest, which is probably your non-working spouse's SA.)

Read the tax rules carefully to make sure you understand whether you qualify for tax relief, but take maximum advantage of the tax relief if you can.

(e) OA to SA conversions can then optionally come after satisfying the above steps.

(f) If you still want/can save more, then you can explore dollar cost averaging into a low cost, well diversified index fund. I do not recommend using OA or SA for this purpose since the CPF Investment Scheme choices are not attractive.


Thank you for taking time off to write this Long reply.

Can I check with you why should I do the cash top up first, instead of OA to SA first?

Also is the top up for tax exemption necessary as I have the PTR? Thanks
 

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Can I check with you why should I do the cash top up first, instead of OA to SA first?
To get more tax relief.

Also is the top up for tax exemption necessary as I have the PTR?
It depends. If your Parenthood Tax Relief (PTR) is enough to offset all your income tax (at your taxable income level), or if you have reached $80,000 of total tax reliefs, then you cannot obtain any more tax relief. But if you're still paying some income tax, and if your total tax reliefs are less than $80,000, then you've still got some room to enjoy further tax relief with cash top-ups to SA.
 

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To get more tax relief.


It depends. If your Parenthood Tax Relief (PTR) is enough to offset all your income tax (at your taxable income level), or if you have reached $80,000 of total tax reliefs, then you cannot obtain any more tax relief. But if you're still paying some income tax, and if your total tax reliefs are less than $80,000, then you've still got some room to enjoy further tax relief with cash top-ups to SA.

Thank you very much!
 

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it depends on how much job stability you have. if u r a perm in government who is unlikely to be asked to leave, and you r not intending to jump to private sector or start your own business, then take your time with the loan repayment. transfer as much OA to SA as possible.

if u dont have high job stability, then advisable to clear your loan asap, unless you have large amount of savings outside CPF to buffer for period of joblessness.
 

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it depends on how much job stability you have. if u r a perm in government who is unlikely to be asked to leave, and you r not intending to jump to private sector or start your own business, then take your time with the loan repayment. transfer as much OA to SA as possible.

if u dont have high job stability, then advisable to clear your loan asap, unless you have large amount of savings outside CPF to buffer for period of joblessness.

I have a very stable job.
 

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OA transfer to SA better or repay HDB loan from OA better

to me... if my job gives me a more predictable income. and i wish to take advantage of the tax relief...
OA top up SA not a good strategy

1. look good
2. have u calc the interest earnt? u have good track record on investing?
 

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OA transfer to SA better or repay HDB loan from OA better

to me... if my job gives me a more predictable income. and i wish to take advantage of the tax relief...
OA top up SA not a good strategy

1. look good
2. have u calc the interest earnt? u have good track record on investing?

No I didn't calculate interest earn. I will just do ETF or something safe, like blue chip etc...

Maybe I do a hybrid? Make lump sum payment of $5K for hdb and $5K of OA to SA yearly?
 
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