Air conditioning - Any recommendations please??

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terumo

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Daikin price similar to Mit easy clean. Among all brands, they should be the highest.
 

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Hi I am considering the system 2 inverter could you please let me know with your current usage how is your bill.



Hi all, just sharing my experiences.

For months I was looking for a suitable unit to replace my 8-year old Fujitsu which finally broke down last yr.

After doing a ton of research, I finally settled on a non-inverter model. (My sis and I may be moving out in a few yrs and we don't wish to spend $3-4k on inverter whose savings we are unlikely to recoup. Also, I eventually found that Panasonic uses 2 compressors, which will help reduce the bill for my usage pattern - see below)

I visited the following stores:
Everjoint at AMK - despite all the good comments about them, I was unimpressed with the way they handle customers. Boss/owner didn't even know the prices of the aircons. Tried to upsell me from Toshiba ($18xx) to Daikin ($21xx).
Gain City - the experience was what I had expected from a chain store. Salesman tried to upsell from Samsung to inverter models straightaway, but when he saw what a cheapo I was, he couldn't be bothered... :D
Kun Seng - went on a Saturday after seeing ads in newspapers, turned out that prices didn't include GST nor installation. I was quoted $17xx for a Panasonic, was about to commit but thankfully didn't as later I found out it was the older CU-3C20EKH model. Tried to upsell me to a Daikin with one energy tick...
Aircon Designs - Recommended by friend. They were the ones who did my Fujitsu, but it seems they now only do industrial installations. They only recommended me inverter models, and prices not competitive also. Sales rep was pleasant and responded quickly though.
Natural Cool - Decided to go with them in the end. I was quoted $15xx for the latest model Panasonic (CU-3C20KKZ) incl. GST, dismantling of old Fujitsu, and new bracket. Insulation would be Nyflex 1/4" thick. Salesman was pleasant and not pushy, didn't try to upsell anything.

Installation was done by Natural Cool's own guys, a team of 2 M'sians who were friendly and easygoing, and were careful not to make a mess despite the cramped working area due to many furniture not being movable.

They used brand-new and shiny copper pipe, also Nyflex branded, sealed in bags. The Nyflex insulation appears to be of pretty good quality compared to the one at a certain chain store which was so weak I was able to tear off a piece with 2 fingers :eek:

Work was started at 11am and finished at around 6pm.

As stated this Panny (CU-3C20KKZ) has 2 compressors, a 12,000 BTU one shared by 2 rooms and a 9,000 BTU one for 1 room. I assigned the 9K BTU one to my sister's room as she has a habit of leaving her aircon on at lowest temp all day when friends come round. That way, the maximum power consumption will only be "9K" rather than "12K".

There were 2 negative areas:
1. They had to reuse old trunking in the bathroom as it appeared to be "glued" to the tiles and they claimed pulling it off might damage the tiles. I didn't want to take the risk, so I agreed.
2. After mounting the FCU in my master bedroom, they found that the airflow flap would hit the curtain rail when opened. The only solution was to adjust part of the curtain rail downwards. This is also partly my fault, as I should have checked rather than blindly reuse the old FCU location.

Anyway I am now enjoying my new and freezing cold room after more than 6 mths of tiring research. No more noisy window aircon!

Hope this experience is useful to some ppl. If anyone wants reviews on the aircon itself, please let me know.

P.S. For those worried about noise, the condensing unit is very quiet. I can hardly hear it even when I am standing at my window next to it. Of course, things might change down the road if either Panny or NC have done a crap job...
 

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Hi I am considering the system 2 inverter could you please let me know with your current usage how is your bill.

hi, i use one of the pana sys 2 inverter ... pub bill before is $120~130 .. now $170~180

i turn on everyday, almost more then 12 hrs per day.. some time even rainy day also turn on.. .. as for the other room about 5 times per week
 

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hi bros.i got one 10yrs Fuji Electric aircon.It's working fine but the compressor become noisy.So is it possible or worth to replace the compressor only?

Waa.....i'm having the same problem as yours now.
Coolserv mentioned its too expensive to repair and recommended replacing the whole aircon system. :(
 

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Any recommendation for a single unit aircon..? for my own room.. fan is losing its effect. Budget 700 dollars.
 

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Any recommendation for a single unit aircon..? for my own room.. fan is losing its effect. Budget 700 dollars.
Single unit... hmm, do ur outdoor unit require bracket? If need think $800-$900 can get with bracket exclude power point.
 

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Hi everyone, juz to check whether Panasonic Inverter is good anot? or actually the specific CU3S27KKZ 3 sys split inverters good anot? Becoz it's selling at $2499 while mitsubishi and Daikin are selling at around $3k..

and also another LG sys 3 inverter selling at $2299, is LG good air con brand?
 

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Hi everyone, juz to check whether Panasonic Inverter is good anot? or actually the specific CU3S27KKZ 3 sys split inverters good anot? Becoz it's selling at $2499 while mitsubishi and Daikin are selling at around $3k..

and also another LG sys 3 inverter selling at $2299, is LG good air con brand?

My aircon man told me the Korean brands are not reliable and they get very noisy after two years. Panasonic is made in Malaysia. Go for Daikin or Mitsubishi as they are renowned for aircon.
 

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oh, paiseh. forgot to state .. last time i dont have aircon so thats the bill diff after using aircon.. though i dont really know the savings between non-inverter and inverter .. :s13:

To be honest, it is very difficult to guage. Last time, I was using a casement aircon but 4 months ago, I changed to a non-inverter Panasonic. The electricity bills did go down by a hundred dollars or so, taking into account that I switched on everyday for at least 8 hours compared to 5 hours last time with the fan as well.
 

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Single unit... hmm, do ur outdoor unit require bracket? If need think $800-$900 can get with bracket exclude power point.

Bracket should cost you about S$150 to S$200, inclusive of installation. If that is your budget, go for a Japanese brand at gain City. Please avoid the Korean brands.
 

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Bracket should cost you about S$150 to S$200, inclusive of installation. If that is your budget, go for a Japanese brand at gain City. Please avoid the Korean brands.

Have you ever thought of buying a Daikin? Highly recomended. You can opt to pay by 0% credit card installment. Stretched it over 12 months. :s13:
 

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Panasonic System 2 Inverter CU2S-18KKZ

http://www.coolserve.com.sg/htmdocs/products/products_details.asp?id=3052

I have called Coolserve to install this system 2 inverter from Panasonic with $150 NTUC Voucher. Anybody using this particular brand? Any feedback before I go ahead with this aircon?

According to NEA website http://els.nea.gov.sg/mels/aircon.asp, the kWh should only be around 114-334kWh for 8 hour usage everyday

I am using Panasonic non-inverter. Not fantastic. My friends told me to use Daikin and I have also heard favorable things about Daikin form my colleagues. I will get that for my new house.
 

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Waa.....i'm having the same problem as yours now.
Coolserv mentioned its too expensive to repair and recommended replacing the whole aircon system. :(

Bros, change the whole aircon lah. Go for Daikin or Mitsubishi. Panasonic is the last resort even though I have a Panasonic and to be honest, not fantastic but in terms of pricing, it is the best among the better brands such as Daikin and Mitsubishi. i am going to get myself a daikin next time. :s13:
 

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Bros, change the whole aircon lah. Go for Daikin or Mitsubishi. Panasonic is the last resort even though I have a Panasonic and to be honest, not fantastic but in terms of pricing, it is the best among the better brands such as Daikin and Mitsubishi. i am going to get myself a daikin next time. :s13:

Daikin is damn expensive man, but I will get the 0% credit card instalment.
 

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Bros, change the whole aircon lah. Go for Daikin or Mitsubishi. Panasonic is the last resort even though I have a Panasonic and to be honest, not fantastic but in terms of pricing, it is the best among the better brands such as Daikin and Mitsubishi. i am going to get myself a daikin next time. :s13:

I will never get a Mitsubishi because of Jack Neo :(
 

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I am using Panasonic non-inverter. Not fantastic. My friends told me to use Daikin and I have also heard favorable things about Daikin form my colleagues. I will get that for my new house.

I heard that daikin is used by many property developers for their condominium projects.
 

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Hi everyone, juz to check whether Panasonic Inverter is good anot? or actually the specific CU3S27KKZ 3 sys split inverters good anot? Becoz it's selling at $2499 while mitsubishi and Daikin are selling at around $3k..

and also another LG sys 3 inverter selling at $2299, is LG good air con brand?

Daikin is expensive but good.
 
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