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Some updates, guys. https://www.tomshardware.com/amp/news/amd-chip-shortage-packaging-issues

Digitimes' sources indicate that AMD can currently only satisfy about 50 to 60 percent of Zen 2 demand for notebooks, and that ODM's (Original Design Manufacturers) expect to run into serious shortage issues when Zen 3-based notebooks enter the market in Q3. That's narrowed down to two possibilities (or perhaps both): Either TSMC can't package enough chips, or AMD's chips for the PlayStation 5 are soaking up all of its production capacity.

This explains the delays in quotes. Still, I suspect Lenovo might be able to push for fulfilment of T/E/X/L series ahead of their others...

Hm but I didnt receive any VR headsets leh, i only got the bottle, shirt and cap...

Pretty sure there're clauses for "while stocks last" and "substitute for equivalent value" in the fine print. This is the usual clause companies make while promising freebies.
 

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Hm but I didnt receive any VR headsets leh, i only got the bottle, shirt and cap...

Haven’t get also but they just say that’s what they’re replacing it with. Maybe you should email them too so at least got evidence.

Some updates, guys. https://www.tomshardware.com/amp/news/amd-chip-shortage-packaging-issues



This explains the delays in quotes. Still, I suspect Lenovo might be able to push for fulfilment of T/E/X/L series ahead of their others...



Pretty sure there're clauses for "while stocks last" and "substitute for equivalent value" in the fine print. This is the usual clause companies make while promising freebies.

Thing is with equivalent value is that it’s up to the company to decide. They can even give you a pencil and say it’s worth $300+
 
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Haven’t get also but they just say that’s what they’re replacing it with. Maybe you should email them too so at least got evidence.



Thing is with equivalent value is that it’s up to the company to decide. They can even give you a pencil and say it’s worth $300+

Which email did you email to? Can pm me the email address hehe TIA! :)
 

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Haven’t get also but they just say that’s what they’re replacing it with. Maybe you should email them too so at least got evidence.



Thing is with equivalent value is that it’s up to the company to decide. They can even give you a pencil and say it’s worth $300+
"Limited edition Star Wars", no more in production.

They can even tell you it's now worth $8,888 due to its rarity, and they gave you a huat huat item in time for CNY! :s13:
 

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Is S$1,205 for a T14s with these specs considered worth it now?

AMD Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U Processor (1.70GHz, Max Boost up to 4.10GHz, 8 Cores, 8MB Cache)
● Windows 10 Home 64
● Windows 10 Home 64 English
● 16GB DDR4 3200MHz Onboard
● 512GB Solid State Drive, M.2 2242, PCIe-NVMe, TLC
● 14.0" FHD(1920x1080) IPS Anti-glare 300nits Touch Narrow
● Integrated Graphics
● 720P HD Camera with Microphone
● Fingerprint Reader
● Backlit Keyboard Black English with Fingerprint Reader
● Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2x2 AX, Bluetooth Version 5.0
● Enabled Discrete TPM2.0
● BIOS Absolute Enabled
● 3 Cell Li-Polymer Internal Battery, 57Wh
● 65W AC Adapter PCC (3pin)-UK (USB Type C)
● 14.0" FHD(1920x1080) IPS Anti-glare 300nits Touch, 720p HD Camera with Shutter, Mic, No WWAN, FreeSync
● Publication-English
● 1 Year Carry-in

Item:
3Y Onsite upgrade from 1Y Depot/CCI
Part No: 5WS0A14086
 

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Is S$1,205 for a T14s with these specs considered worth it now?

AMD Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U Processor (1.70GHz, Max Boost up to 4.10GHz, 8 Cores, 8MB Cache)
● Windows 10 Home 64
● Windows 10 Home 64 English
● 16GB DDR4 3200MHz Onboard
● 512GB Solid State Drive, M.2 2242, PCIe-NVMe, TLC
● 14.0" FHD(1920x1080) IPS Anti-glare 300nits Touch Narrow
● Integrated Graphics
● 720P HD Camera with Microphone
● Fingerprint Reader
● Backlit Keyboard Black English with Fingerprint Reader
● Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2x2 AX, Bluetooth Version 5.0
● Enabled Discrete TPM2.0
● BIOS Absolute Enabled
● 3 Cell Li-Polymer Internal Battery, 57Wh
● 65W AC Adapter PCC (3pin)-UK (USB Type C)
● 14.0" FHD(1920x1080) IPS Anti-glare 300nits Touch, 720p HD Camera with Shutter, Mic, No WWAN, FreeSync
● Publication-English
● 1 Year Carry-in

Item:
3Y Onsite upgrade from 1Y Depot/CCI
Part No: 5WS0A14086

Scroll up a bit to post #588 and earlier for the same discussion. Someone just posted he bought that config for $1097 2 days back with discount codes shown. ;)
 

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Yes I saw that post but that's for a Ryzen 5 so not exactly the same. I'm going for the Ryzen 7

I missed that small detail, since the rest of the specs are the same! (The preconfigured R7 model has Win 10 Pro by default.)

I bought a R7 so I'll say it's worth it. But my reason for choosing the R7 is only because of the 32GB RAM upgrade option - it is not available for the R5. I try to keep my laptops for 5y or more, and given that the RAM is soldered, I went with 32GB RAM.

Thermally, it's said on reviews and on Reddit that due to the limited thermal management in the slim T14s, the R5 could be the more cost-efficient purchase as there is more room for chips to heat up. If thermals are a concern for you, the T14 (non-s) has better thermal management due to there being more space for air and a second heat pipe. The second heat pipe is subjective though, as comparisons between 2 generations of X1c with single vs dual heat pipe don't really yield significant differences. The heat pipe on the T14s is thicker than that on the T14, so there's something to be said for more material aiding cooling as well.

In terms of benchmarks, the gains aren't fantastic also. See notebookcheck for a comparison between the two: https://www.notebookcheck.net/R5-PRO-4650U-vs-R7-PRO-4750U_12193_12191.247596.0.html

I think the battery life on the R5 is better than the R7.

Hence if you do not need the R7 specifically (eg, for the larger RAM options), the R5 is more than adequate. It still outperforms the Intel i7 variant, which says a lot for Zen 2 vs Intel's offerings.

My own opinion: If I didn't need 32GB, I would've stuck with R5. I wouldn't CTO just for a single processor change cos it isn't worth it imo. You can also buy 512GB NVMes that are better performing for around $100 or less now (check Amazon/Shopee) so Lenovo's $90 asking price for replacing is a bit much imo; and my experience with the default Kioxia that came with my T14s has been very poor - glad I upgraded it to a Samsung 970 Plus instead.
 
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Oh I see. Sounds like good advice. So how much did you pay for your config?

I bought a R7 so I'll say it's worth it. But my reason for choosing the R7 is only because of the 32GB RAM upgrade option - it is not available for the R5. I try to keep my laptops for 5y or more, and given that the RAM is soldered, I went with 32GB RAM.

Thermally, it's said on reviews and on Reddit that due to the limited thermal management in the slim T14s, the R5 could be the more cost-efficient purchase as there is more room for chips to heat up. If thermals are a concern for you, the T14 (non-s) has better thermal management due to there being more space for air and a second heat pipe. The second heat pipe is subjective though, as comparisons between 2 generations of X1c with single vs dual heat pipe don't really yield significant differences. The heat pipe on the T14s is thicker than that on the T14, so there's something to be said for more material aiding cooling as well.

In terms of benchmarks, the gains aren't fantastic also. See notebookcheck for a comparison between the two: https://www.notebookcheck.net/R5-PRO-4650U-vs-R7-PRO-4750U_12193_12191.247596.0.html

I think the battery life on the R5 is better than the R7.

Hence if you do not need the R7 specifically (eg, for the larger RAM options), the R5 is more than adequate. It still outperforms the Intel i7 variant, which says a lot for Zen 2 vs Intel's offerings.

My own opinion: If I didn't need 32GB, I would've stuck with R5.
 

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I missed that small detail, since the rest of the specs are the same! (The preconfigured R7 model has Win 10 Pro by default.)

I bought a R7 so I'll say it's worth it. But my reason for choosing the R7 is only because of the 32GB RAM upgrade option - it is not available for the R5. I try to keep my laptops for 5y or more, and given that the RAM is soldered, I went with 32GB RAM.

Thermally, it's said on reviews and on Reddit that due to the limited thermal management in the slim T14s, the R5 could be the more cost-efficient purchase as there is more room for chips to heat up. If thermals are a concern for you, the T14 (non-s) has better thermal management due to there being more space for air and a second heat pipe. The second heat pipe is subjective though, as comparisons between 2 generations of X1c with single vs dual heat pipe don't really yield significant differences. The heat pipe on the T14s is thicker than that on the T14, so there's something to be said for more material aiding cooling as well.

In terms of benchmarks, the gains aren't fantastic also. See notebookcheck for a comparison between the two: https://www.notebookcheck.net/R5-PRO-4650U-vs-R7-PRO-4750U_12193_12191.247596.0.html

I think the battery life on the R5 is better than the R7.

Hence if you do not need the R7 specifically (eg, for the larger RAM options), the R5 is more than adequate. It still outperforms the Intel i7 variant, which says a lot for Zen 2 vs Intel's offerings.

My own opinion: If I didn't need 32GB, I would've stuck with R5. I wouldn't CTO just for a single processor change cos it isn't worth it imo. You can also buy 512GB NVMes that are better performing for around $100 or less now (check Amazon/Shopee) so Lenovo's $90 asking price for replacing is a bit much imo; and my experience with the default Kioxia that came with my T14s has been very poor - glad I upgraded it to a Samsung 970 Plus instead.

TS may check teardown videos for T14s. If there are 2 physical slots for 2242 and 2280 ssds, may be worth to get the 512gb 2242 ssd at $90 as this is not easy to find a decent 1 in the market. There are plenty of 2280 512gb ssds floating around and may be possible to get it lower than $90.
 

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TS may check teardown videos for T14s. If there are 2 physical slots for 2242 and 2280 ssds, may be worth to get the 512gb 2242 ssd at $90 as this is not easy to find a decent 1 in the market. There are plenty of 2280 512gb ssds floating around and may be possible to get it lower than $90.

Yes you can put a 2242 into the WWAN slot. Note that it's only a PCIe x2 slot.

Can't use the provided 2242 in the slot since Lenovo only provides M keyed NVME drives. The slot is B keyed, so you need B/B+M keyed NVMe drives. There's another thread with the details on which models to buy.

It is cheaper to get a 1TB (The WD Black SN750 is a pretty good candidate for about $170-180ish BN on Amazon/Shopee/Carousell) and an enclosure than to try and get a higher performance drive that works in the WWAN slot.
 
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https://www.techradar.com/amp/news/...essor-easily-beats-intel-in-leaked-benchmarks

I wonder whether this is the right time to buy as AMD next gen laptop CPU to be released this year promises big gains.

Posted this above, expect delays for Zen 3 as the foundry is unable to keep up demand for packaging, especially with the new AMD-powered Playstation 5 driving it:

Some updates, guys. https://www.tomshardware.com/amp/news/amd-chip-shortage-packaging-issues

This explains the delays in quotes. Still, I suspect Lenovo might be able to push for fulfilment of T/E/X/L series ahead of their others...

Desktop processors for Zen 3 are still in short supply, and you can tell because of the crazy prices retailers are asking for them (demand high, supply low = scalping time). I don't foresee chips meeting demand for a while, so initial prices for Zen 3 are expected to be much higher.

The report even states that Zen 2 (current 4th gen) processors are also in short supply and they are rushing to meet. One of the brothers here just ordered his laptop a few days ago, and was quoted a June delivery.
 
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https://www.techradar.com/amp/news/...essor-easily-beats-intel-in-leaked-benchmarks

I wonder whether this is the right time to buy as AMD next gen laptop CPU to be released this year promises big gains.

The question is whether you can get any Ryzen 5xxx mobile CPU at all. The performance gain is not unexpected since you can clearly see that Ryzen 5000 is faster than Ryzen 3000 series. But the supply issue is so bad that you can't get a Ryzen 5000 series chip easily without paying a substantial premium. Most people buying Ryzen 5600X are getting them from Taobao. Good thing is that CPUs have international warranty.
 

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The question is whether you can get any Ryzen 5xxx mobile CPU at all. The performance gain is not unexpected since you can clearly see that Ryzen 5000 is faster than Ryzen 3000 series. But the supply issue is so bad that you can't get a Ryzen 5000 series chip easily without paying a substantial premium. Most people buying Ryzen 5600X are getting them from Taobao. Good thing is that CPUs have international warranty.
Thats why tell you to save money first

Even the current ryzen 4000 + rtx2060 also face out of stock issues due to demand and event sales.

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