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[firesong]

A bit wols here, but what is the thinkbook? a fusion of thinkpad and ultrabook?

IMO, a rebranded Ideabook. The build quality is more Ideabook than Thinkpad. I briefly considered it, but avoided it completely after seeing it in person.

 

[firesong]

Asus gaming laptops always aim at high end, premium gaming, besides their TUF

In fact their recent CES announcements really show that more and more gaming laptop brands are embracing AMD

Only issue with Asus is cooling....

So it will be really interesting to see whether the rest of the market bother to improve their gaming laptop cooling system.

2020 is Lenovo legion with best cooling
Let’s see 2021

Yes, thermal efficiency is an important factor for all laptops, especially those with more powerful processors that tend to run hotter. That's why it's generally redundant to get i7 in notebooks as the throttling would kick in before the chips reached max efficiency. When it comes to ultraportables, this problem is made worse as there is less room for heat, so throttle limits are much more conservative.

Also heat is the enemy of electronics. Too long in a hot environment, it will spoil faster. This is generally why there's such a huge cooling market for computing stuff - expensive thermal compounds, high-efficiency heat sinks, water cooling, etc...

Likewise, if not for the artificial RAM limit for the Ryzen 5 by Lenovo, I would've stayed with the R5. My purchase decision was due to a the fact that integrated graphics reserves RAM for its use, and Vega can take up to 2GB. If I had 16GB of RAM and the iGPU took 2GB, 14GB is not enough. I didn't want to page and waste writes for the SSD, and since RAM was soldered, making the upgrade at point of purchase would be essential.

Back to the topic, even non-gaming laptops suffer from bad thermals, which include bad application of thermal paste in some examples. Pity, cos I'm not sure that re-applying the paste in Singapore would void the warranty (cos Singapore service centres are only too happy to put it under "unauthorised repairs" and charge you for service), unlike in USA where due to their consumer protection laws and precedence, it does not void.

 

[Henabi]

Thats why i am very impressed with AMD ryzen and lenovo cooling system

I have edited almost 100 videos with my legion 5 AMD, mostly in 4K

the fans are super quiet throughout my editing and it eill go all out when i render and export

 

[firesong]

Thats why i am very impressed with AMD ryzen and lenovo cooling system

I have edited almost 100 videos with my legion 5 AMD, mostly in 4K

the fans are super quiet throughout my editing and it eill go all out when i render and export

Envy. I have no choice as I need to carry the laptop with a lot of other things including heavy textbooks for part-time class. With a back injury, that is a recipe for disaster.

Still though, I'm happy with the performance of the R7 even with slight thermal throttling. It comfortably outpaces my sis' i7-8650U on battery+max performance overall.

 

[Shingoz]

IMO, a rebranded Ideabook. The build quality is more Ideabook than Thinkpad. I briefly considered it, but avoided it completely after seeing it in person.

Ah, thanks bro. I still see ideabook selling though. But noted on your comment on the build. It'll be a shame if they cause damages to the thinkpad reputation.

 

[firesong]

Ah, thanks bro. I still see ideabook selling though. But noted on your comment on the build. It'll be a shame if they cause damages to the thinkpad reputation.

That's why it's a different brand, Thinkbook.

I was expecting it to be Thinkpad quality too, but I didn't really get that impression after handling it. It sure does look more "modern", but that's what the Ideabooks are. Perhaps it's an attempt to compete with Asus' pro notebooks to have some "style"?

 

[pragrsg]

I also just ordered T14s. From the earlier posts, I was under the impression that although they indicate a 3-4 months delivery date, the actual delivery time will be a month. I was in rush to order to beat any delays due to CNY and didn't see your post until now. Now I have second thoughts about my order haha.

I already emailed them last week and they replied "due to overwhelming orders, factory is promptly working to expedite the shipment at the earliest possible, etc, etc". I noticed all the T14s options require more than 8 weeks to deliver on their website. To me it seems more like parts availability issue rather than overwhelming orders.

 

[taquito]

is the yoga slim 7 still the best ultrabook out there? or already outdated? Thanks!

 

[chaiscool]

is the yoga slim 7 still the best ultrabook out there? or already outdated? Thanks!

Best in terms of what? Price ? Asus has a lighter amd model with bigger battery, but more ex.

 

[natas]

I also just ordered T14s. From the earlier posts, I was under the impression that although they indicate a 3-4 months delivery date, the actual delivery time will be a month. I was in rush to order to beat any delays due to CNY and didn't see your post until now. Now I have second thoughts about my order haha.

The reason why I cancelled T14s... too long wait. I rather wait for 5000 series.

 

[flowerpalms]

The reason why I cancelled T14s... too long wait. I rather wait for 5000 series.

No point to wait that long since 5000 series coming. Save more money and go for the new models

Posted from PCWX using A simple life, not a simple thing

 

[Columbian78]

I also just ordered T14s. From the earlier posts, I was under the impression that although they indicate a 3-4 months delivery date, the actual delivery time will be a month. I was in rush to order to beat any delays due to CNY and didn't see your post until now. Now I have second thoughts about my order haha.

I ordered my t14s on 4 Jan. At that point delivery was scheduled 3 June. After a few days, the date was empty. Now it says 4 May. I think they are super conservative. I hope it will come in Feb or latest Mar.

 

[trenzterra]

I know you guys are gonna flame me... But after few months with the ThinkPad X13, I really can't get used to the keyboard.

The main issue I have with the keyboard is that the keystrokes I input always come out in the wrong sequence if I type too fast. I think this is described before and has been an issue for many years but never resolved: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkP...re-firmware-problem-AFFECTS-MOST/td-p/4248285

So I end up making a lot of typos. Eg when I spell my name "Reuben", if I type too fast it will come out as "Reubne" even though I am very sure that I press the e before the n key. So I end up becoming very cautious whenever I type with the X13. OTOH, the previous IdeaPad 720s that I owned had a much better keyboard, though I understand some of the newer IdeaPads have very shallow keyboards instead.

So I wouldn't write off the ThinkBooks completely. Looking at the Gen2 versions of ThinkBooks with tiger Lake processors, they seem to have come a long way, with 16:10 screens on some models and dual USB-C ports with Thunderbolt. Apart from the lack of dedicated page up and page down keys, I think the new ThinkBooks are pretty good and shouldn't be written off just like that. It's also much cheaper than an Intel equivalent ThinkPad.

 

[plutovirgo]

I know you guys are gonna flame me... But after few months with the ThinkPad X13, I really can't get used to the keyboard.

The main issue I have with the keyboard is that the keystrokes I input always come out in the wrong sequence if I type too fast. I think this is described before and has been an issue for many years but never resolved: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkP...re-firmware-problem-AFFECTS-MOST/td-p/4248285

So I end up making a lot of typos. Eg when I spell my name "Reuben", if I type too fast it will come out as "Reubne" even though I am very sure that I press the e before the n key. So I end up becoming very cautious whenever I type with the X13. OTOH, the previous IdeaPad 720s that I owned had a much better keyboard, though I understand some of the newer IdeaPads have very shallow keyboards instead.

So I wouldn't write off the ThinkBooks completely. Looking at the Gen2 versions of ThinkBooks with tiger Lake processors, they seem to have come a long way, with 16:10 screens on some models and dual USB-C ports with Thunderbolt. Apart from the lack of dedicated page up and page down keys, I think the new ThinkBooks are pretty good and shouldn't be written off just like that. It's also much cheaper than an Intel equivalent ThinkPad.

Thinkbooks are great, I have one and honestly the keyboard is nicer and softer to type compared to a thinkpad. The trackpad is also nicer compared to thinkpads. Chassis is slimmer and aluminum so they don't catch fingerprints as often, you have options of 2.5K display and also the 16:10 ratio, 100% srgb, to be upfront, Thinkbooks are extremely underrated for what they offer.

The only drawback is thinkbooks don't have that solid feel that thinkpads have where people will usually say it's "built like a tank".

 

[plutovirgo]

A bit wols here, but what is the thinkbook? a fusion of thinkpad and ultrabook?

its a higher end ideapad, it sits in between of:

thinkpad > thinkbook > ideapad

 

[Henabi]

My colleagues who are used to mech keyboards, do not like typing on the thinkpad keyboard especially the X395, my T495s and even the new T and X series.

They just say “don’t like”...

My only issue with the keyboard is the “FN” and “CTRL” keys on the left side

always press wrong. very irritating and Lenovo doesn’t seem to want to correct it

 

[weeguy]

My colleagues who are used to mech keyboards, do not like typing on the thinkpad keyboard especially the X395, my T495s and even the new T and X series.

They just say *********don*********t like*********...

My only issue with the keyboard is the *********FN********* and *********CTRL********* keys on the left side

always press wrong. very irritating and Lenovo doesn*********t seem to want to correct it

Huh? Are you aware that it's possible to swap the FN and Ctrl keys in BIOS?

 

[Shingoz]

its a higher end ideapad, it sits in between of:

thinkpad > thinkbook > ideapad

Sounds about right. Thanks bro.

 

[trenzterra]

its a higher end ideapad, it sits in between of:

thinkpad > thinkbook > ideapad

I think depends also. Like the higher end ThinkBooks are probably of better quality than ThinkPad E series. On the other hand, the higher end IdeaPad/yoga series like the S540 and 7/9 series have higher built quality than ThinkBooks and dare I say many ThinkPads.

 

[Henabi]

Huh? Are you aware that it's possible to swap the FN and Ctrl keys in BIOS?

Don’t know and I don’t wanna to fiddle with BIOS because this is my Work laptop