Anyone has experience with invader pc?

[GamingDiagnosis]

So you are really just trying to pick a problem out of nowhere? You tell me which pc in 2024 doesn't have a graphics card or integrated graphics in their system? Your so called GPU acceleration is important is a moot point because ALL modern pc have GPU capabilities or iGPU capabilities. GPU acceleration or whatever you want to call it is not an important consideration because of this fact. You are just trying to defend your theory that GPU acceleration is more important than you make it sound like. The more important consideration is the CPU. You are the one spreading misinformation saying GPU acceleration is crucial to video editing. Do you even edit 4k videos to make such a claim or you just hearsay? Did TS say he wants to edit 4k videos? FYI if your hardware is not capable of editing 4k native smoothly, you can edit with downsized version of the 4k video and then render it in 4k. Then you won't need your so called powerful GPU acceleration to help you edit videos in 4k60fps.

You trying to be a moral justice warrior now? Saying that I recommend something beyond his budget is toxic? I'm just giving my opinion based on my knowledge and experience. It is up to him to listen to all pov and decide what he wants to do. I didn't say my opinion is the best and he should follow my opinion. Moreover, budget are not strict limits to follow and $300 to $500 extra to pay on top of it for something that is part of your job is not alot to pay. If you have troubles coming up with $300 to $500 you got bigger problems.

I'm genuinely wanting to help you understand why high end CPU is so important in professional video editing but you are just stuck in your mindset it is not important and GPU acceleration is crucial... Whatever you say la.

It is not wrong factually.. because the fact that you can't edit high-bitrate 4K videos without using GPU acceleration is still true even till today with something like a 13900k, and even if you use proxy aka downsize. It's not incorrect to say that GPU acceleration is crucial because with 4K high-bitrate footage, there will be lag until editing becomes impossible without it. I read this thread earlier today where the creator of post mentioned intending to do 4K editing, so it's correct to prioritize setting up GPU acceleration correctly as the top priority. Additionally, if I'm not mistaken, the 4000 series supports more codecs than the 3000 series, so it makes sense to opt for a 4000 card over a 3000 one. If you're on a budget, you can still do 4k editing with a mid-range CPU like me as they are quite powerful these days. If I record in a non-supported codec for acceleration in 4K, it won't even be editable which just goes to show how much of a difference it makes. We're no longer in an era where CPUs still perform poorly that the process of video editing becomes heavily impacted, any extreme and consistent lag is most likely not the hardware problem but video editing and codec not compatible or properly configured to use hardware acceleration. You could use a 12 13 14 i7 gen processor and all will do fine honestly, just that without GPU acceleration you literally can't do anything in a 4k high bit rare footage, and with it you can actually get to work which just goes to show how important it is and it's the reason why davinci resolve include gpu decoding in their paid version but not free. If you are coming from a decade ago I would understand but nowadays many CPUs are very competent for video editing so the biggest thing that can hurt your editing experience isn't the CPU but hardware acceleration support. In layman terms, If you get good CPU but try edit extreme high bit rate video without hardware acceleration support you are still screwed. It was explained in tech terms, but not that hard to be understood since I experienced it myself.

 

[Phen8210]

You trying to be a moral justice warrior now? Saying that I recommend something beyond his budget is toxic? I'm just giving my opinion based on my knowledge and experience. It is up to him to listen to all pov and decide what he wants to do. I didn't say my opinion is the best and he should follow my opinion. Moreover, budget are not strict limits to follow and $300 to $500 extra to pay on top of it for something that is part of your job is not alot to pay. If you have troubles coming up with $300 to $500 you got bigger problems.

I'm genuinely wanting to help you understand why high end CPU is so important in professional video editing but you are just stuck in your mindset it is not important and GPU acceleration is crucial... Whatever you say la.

The other points have already been pointed out.

Let's not pretend that you don't know the real reason for being called out has to do with calling a more affordable recommendation 'not serious'.

Even as a person who edits 4K60, I don't see how it can appear to be 'not serious' if someone wants to pay 3.5k instead of 4k for their editing rig. Recommending a more budget-friendly option doesn't necessarily mean users aren't serious about their editing needs.

Some people don't want to spend that much on a computer, and now you say they have big problems. You don't even know how ridiculous you sound.

When others want to spend less money on their rig, respect it. Is there any need to say people are not serious or have big problems just because they don't want to spend so much?

The things you said in your response prove what I said. Toxic mentality.

EDIT: For all you know, the people with these cheaper editing rigs could have way better editing skills than you..

 

[kaputzzz]

The other points have already been pointed out.

Let's not pretend that you don't know the real reason for being called out has to do with calling a more affordable recommendation 'not serious'.

Even as a person who edits 4K60, I don't see how it can appear to be 'not serious' if someone wants to pay 3.5k instead of 4k for their editing rig. Recommending a more budget-friendly option doesn't necessarily mean users aren't serious about their editing needs.

Some people don't want to spend that much on a computer, and now you say they have big problems. You don't even know how ridiculous you sound.

When others want to spend less money on their rig, respect it. Is there any need to say people are not serious or have big problems just because they don't want to spend so much?

The things you said in your response prove what I said. Toxic mentality.

EDIT: For all you know, the people with these cheaper editing rigs could have way better editing skills than you..

Do you have comprehension issues? Do you not understand what an opinion is? Are we not free to express our opinion in this forum? Must stick to the budget of TS to not be toxic?

So if you want to stick to the budget, how about you up the CPU budget and then cut the budgets of order parts like ram, casing, HDD, SSD so you make enough budget for the CPU? Would that make you happier so that it fits within the budget? You know how ridiculous you sound when you want to mandate discussion strictly to the TS budget? What are you? Some kind of forum budget police?

Whatever floats your boat man. I'm not as low as you to criticise as someone's editing skills without even knowing the person.

 

[Phen8210]

Do you have comprehension issues? Do you not understand what an opinion is? Are we not free to express our opinion in this forum? Must stick to the budget of TS to not be toxic?

So if you want to stick to the budget, how about you up the CPU budget and then cut the budgets of order parts like ram, casing, HDD, SSD so you make enough budget for the CPU? Would that make you happier so that it fits within the budget? You know how ridiculous you sound when you want to mandate discussion strictly to the TS budget? What are you? Some kind of forum budget police?

Whatever floats your boat man. I'm not as low as you to criticise as someone's editing skills without even knowing the person.

Wdym, you are already low enough to outright say that the people who go with lower-end hardware due to budget constraints are not serious about their work, and the fact is that there are a lot of them who are serious about their work?

Were you not serious with your work before you upgraded?

It wasn't very long ago when you received help from this forum too..

 

[kaputzzz]

Wdym, you are already low enough to outright say that the people who go with lower-end hardware due to budget constraints are not serious about their work, and the fact is that there are a lot of them who are serious about their work?

Were you not serious with your work before you upgraded?

It wasn't very long ago when you received help from this forum too..

Hello pls go back and read properly or go back to school. When did I say ppl with budget constraints are not serious with their work? I said if you are serious about video editing you should get the highest end CPU you can afford. Seriously you have comprehension issues.

And pls don't remind me of the sh1tty advice you gave me about the FSP hydro psu.. Thanks to your advice I skipped their PSU when now I realise they are very reputable company.

 

[NightRaven49]

well,

if i were choosing between a slower and faster cpu with everything else equal, i would go for the slower cpu and spend the difference in price between the 2 on storage. ive seen how even my downclocked rx580 is oftentimes the bottleneck when rendering a video in dvr, meaning that even if i upgrade to a faster cpu, there would be no appreciable uplift in performance. gpu render also runs circles around cpu in terms of speed, and while it is true that gpu encode results in larger files, mass storage drives arent that expensive and id just tack more on if space was a concern. u cant buy time but at least u can buy storage space, with the savings going for the slower cpu.

given how most of the time spent video editing is, well, editing rather than rendering the video, id say the user experience interacting with the software is just as if not more important than the render speed. ive seen one of my youtube subs stick to 10th gen for video editing simply because his user experience was degraded compared to alder lake and newer.
so that means a faster cpu doesnt always improve the workflow of video editing. and as some have mentioned, gpu acceleration is a must for higher bitrate videos; even puget systems says that the gpu is the primary factor of performance in premiere pro and dvr.

budget is quite an important aspect of any build, since not everyone has infinite money to throw at what is in the end a discretionary spend. going over the budget by a little bit isnt something to go to jail for, say up to $50 overbudget for a part having higher quality or more features may be worth it, but suggesting higher perfoming parts that blows it by hundreds of dollars is at best pointless. balancing that budget between the parts is also important (as evidenced earlier in this thread), minmaxing makes sense up to a certain degree (eg case, ram) but sacrificing others like mobo (going for a cheaper one with less storage slots or weaker vrm) or storage (cheaper ones may have lower endurance/reliability) may not be the best idea. buyers remorse is also quite a common trend among high end system buyers who feel their money couldve been better spent elsewhere outside of pcs, so maximising performance per dollar is a safer bet and can be just as rewarding as having a speedy system (they are not mutually exclusive).

fsp can come out with great psus sure, but there is a wide variance of quality across their product lineup. even within their hydro series, there can be duds like the hydro pro and hydro gd/2, so u have to approach them differently compared to oems like seasonic and superflower that do consistently produce high quality models and not just look at brand.

 

[GamingDiagnosis]

Hello pls go back and read properly or go back to school. When did I say ppl with budget constraints are not serious with their work? I said if you are serious about video editing you should get the highest end CPU you can afford. Seriously you have comprehension issues.

And pls don't remind me of the sh1tty advice you gave me about the FSP hydro psu.. Thanks to your advice I skipped their PSU when now I realise they are very reputable company.

Honestly speaking, based on following this thread, it does seem like you did that, ngl it did bother me a little reading that. The recommendation of a lower-tier CPU was due to budget constraints, so they are already being recommended the best they can get. However, your response to that lower recommendation, saying that people aren't serious about their work if they don't go all-in despite the fact they are already making the maximum effort BUT have to settle for a lower-tier CPU. If someone is already buying the best CPU they can afford, why would you say anything like that? If I had a budget and someone recommends me a 13900k, and I say it's over my budget and settle for a lower-tier CPU like 13600k, and then another person says that I'm not serious about my work even knowing the situation already, it's obviously very questionable on what this person is trying to do.

 

[Phen8210]

well,

if i were choosing between a slower and faster cpu with everything else equal, i would go for the slower cpu and spend the difference in price between the 2 on storage. ive seen how even my downclocked rx580 is oftentimes the bottleneck when rendering a video in dvr, meaning that even if i upgrade to a faster cpu, there would be no appreciable uplift in performance. gpu render also runs circles around cpu in terms of speed, and while it is true that gpu encode results in larger files, mass storage drives arent that expensive and id just tack more on if space was a concern. u cant buy time but at least u can buy storage space, with the savings going for the slower cpu.

given how most of the time spent video editing is, well, editing rather than rendering the video, id say the user experience interacting with the software is just as if not more important than the render speed. ive seen one of my youtube subs stick to 10th gen for video editing simply because his user experience was degraded compared to alder lake and newer.
so that means a faster cpu doesnt always improve the workflow of video editing. and as some have mentioned, gpu acceleration is a must for higher bitrate videos; even puget systems says that the gpu is the primary factor of performance in premiere pro and dvr.

This is very true. I also agree with Puget because almost all users who export videos with 13900K are severely thermally throttling even with a strong AIO so a lot of the performance is lost, and AMD might be the better choice.

The upside of using Intel is that it has Intel QuickSync, which adds more coverage to the hardware acceleration that is missed on GPUs.

Anyway, the article was created in 2020, but many of its points still hold true. In the past four years, we have seen CPUs advance significantly and GPU acceleration become increasingly prominent.

If anyone is interested in seeing why GPU acceleration is such a big deal, this is a good example.


A basic explanation is that attempting to playback (decode) a 4K60 video with an older CPU will immediately overload it. Offloading this computing task to a GPU (GPU hardware decoding) barely loads the GPU and provides real-time playback without stutters. That's how big of a difference it makes, and it shouldn't be overlooked.

The above scenario is just a very basic playback scenario. During editing, there's so much more going on, so that is why the guy on Reddit, with a 13900K (by the way), couldn't even edit his really short 4K high bitrate video without GPU acceleration.

fsp can come out with great psus sure, but there is a wide variance of quality across their product lineup. even within their hydro series, there can be duds like the hydro pro and hydro gd/2, so u have to approach them differently compared to oems like seasonic and superflower that do consistently produce high quality models and not just look at brand.

Yes, that's correct. FSP has some great PSUs, but the naming scheme can easily confuse beginners, and the quality between the models is drastic, even though the models might sound almost similar.

If a premade PC lists the specs of having an FSP Hydro, it could even be the Hydro 'K'. If someone asks me if they should buy FSP Hydro, I would be very careful in my response because it has many variants. What if they purchase a Hydro K and put it in their high-end rig, and something goes wrong? I certainly don't want to be responsible for that.

Overall, I'm just playing it safe because I've seen countless people who think that a model with a name differing by just one letter must not be too different. When I talk to these people, I am aware of the level in their attention to detail because they don't mention the full name of the model.