Apple S$38 battery replacement now available.

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Apple planned it to work at peak performance, but it it didn't. Under warranty, they have to replace the battery free of charge because the iPhone just didn't work (e.g. Shutdown).

If Apple didn't throttle the iPhone, it would have impact on its financial for replacement of battery within warranty. Another important point would be for image purposes, where they will be classified with substandard reliability.

What do you do when you have a lemon? In USA, they sue you.
 

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Apple planned it to work at peak performance, but it it didn't. Under warranty, they have to replace the battery free of charge because the iPhone just didn't work (e.g. Shutdown).

If Apple didn't throttle the iPhone, it would have impact on its financial for replacement of battery within warranty. Another important point would be for image purposes, where they will be classified with substandard reliability.

What do you do when you have a lemon? In USA, they sue you.
Question: Did Apple planned for and advertised that the iPhone will work at peak performance under any scenarios

Or

did they planned for and advertised that the iPhone will work at performance under certain PRESCRIBED scenarios?
 

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u already advertise ur own business already.

reported chiu.. bye.
 
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Haha. Good question. I trust my supplier in Shenzhen cos I've seen how they acquire the parts; cannibalising hundreds or thousands of brand new iPhones and neatly re-packaging their respective component parts. There are a million ways to prove its original and another million to disprove it. But I've never had one dissatisfied customer. So I pray that I'm able to maintain the track record.
 

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Not sure about the technical limitation, but is there anything stopping them from coding it such that the % will drop so fast such that instead of 40% it is actually 1%? and they can just claim that your battery has been depleted? Nothing is stopping them to also code their diagnostic programme to be more conservative and display a lower capacity hold that it really is right?.....
question: does the battle actually start throttling upon reaching 80% charge or contingent on some other factors?

The issue isn't battery capacity, but peak current it can deliver. The SoC, due to the clock it is set to, when it is running an intensive task can demand more peak current than the battery can deliver, which results in the shutdown. Much like the charge the battery can hold over time, the peak current it can deliver reduces over time with usage, and also at lower charge levels.

How the decision is made on throttling, how much it is underclocked etc, when it is underclocked, only Apple knows. Information might come out in the lawsuit.

I never say they are not the source of the problem, i am just wondering if you ignore the other variables like they design wrongly etc, will you trade no reduction in price of battery replacement for no throttling? just want to see where people stand...

So you want me to ignore variables like Apple screwed up with the design, and take no reduction in battery price for no throttling? How does this fix the phone? I'd be swapping one issue for another. Your question makes no sense.
 

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If I am reading you right...

Will you agree that a battery will become less effective over time?

if yes, then how will any phone be it apple or android "works and performance the same as it since the day i purchase the phone" (sic).

1) If they don't throttle the performance due to depleting battery life
2) they don't have to communicate anything
3) if they don't have to communicate anything, there is no "secret" to withhold
4) if they don't withhold any "secret", there's nothing to expose
5) If there's nothing to expose, there's no outcry
6) If there's no outcry do they have to make such concession?

maybe i am not very technically inclined and also don't really know the ins and out of the class action lawsuit, maybe you can enlighten me...

But what if I put it this way...

Apple planned design for the iPhone is such that the SoC will run a given speed and will not cause the phone to automatically shut down If the battery has at least 80% capacity. If it doesn't it will automatically shut down.

That's their "PLANNED" design, i.e. the phone will not shut down contingent on the battery having at least 80% capacity.

In order to circumvent the auto shut down without having to change the battery, they decided to throttle.

Consumer has a choice, either replace the battery or just let it throttle.

Not sure if there's such a phone where given the same SoC speed, the phone can last for x hours, on day 1 and Day 700.

No doubt communication could have been better. back to the Question, will you trade no reduction in price of battery replacement for no throttling?

not saying that, i am saying that my experience with Android is also such that after multiple major android update, the phone also gets laggier.

Yes. battery do degrade overtime. Till today, i have a Xiaomi 1S flashed to LineageOS and does not suffer any performance drop.

Maybe you up till now, did not get why people are angry about. The matter of fact. Apple secretly throttle the performance because they "felt" that the battery is degraded, hence they throttled it without consumer knowledge.

But if you realize again, many people were using their previous iOS firmware perfectly well no drop in performance everything was ok. until they upgrade to the latest iOS. BAM! suddenly feel sluggish. Why? battery degraded instantly or is it because of Apple lousy coding that resulted in slow performance?

Claiming because its battery? or because apple is smart enough that every major iOS update i see that you are still using that old battery of yours, i throttle it UNTIL you change it, i will revert the performance back? Since i can't convince you to change a new phone, i convince you to change a new battery. Win-Win situation. New battery = more sales. New phone = even better.

It seems that Apple is damn shady on this area.
 

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The issue isn't battery capacity, but peak current it can deliver. The SoC, due to the clock it is set to, when it is running an intensive task can demand more peak current than the battery can deliver, which results in the shutdown. Much like the charge the battery can hold over time, the peak current it can deliver reduces over time with usage, and also at lower charge levels.

How the decision is made on throttling, how much it is underclocked etc, when it is underclocked, only Apple knows. Information might come out in the lawsuit.
ok so you are saying they underestimated the peak current it can deliver?

So you want me to ignore variables like Apple screwed up with the design, and take no reduction in battery price for no throttling? How does this fix the phone? I'd be swapping one issue for another. Your question makes no sense.

because those are two separate questions? lol
 

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Yes. battery do degrade overtime. Till today, i have a Xiaomi 1S flashed to LineageOS and does not suffer any performance drop.

Maybe you up till now, did not get why people are angry about. The matter of fact. Apple secretly throttle the performance because they "felt" that the battery is degraded, hence they throttled it without consumer knowledge.

But if you realize again, many people were using their previous iOS firmware perfectly well no drop in performance everything was ok. until they upgrade to the latest iOS. BAM! suddenly feel sluggish. Why? battery degraded instantly or is it because of Apple lousy coding that resulted in slow performance?

Claiming because its battery? or because apple is smart enough that every major iOS update i see that you are still using that old battery of yours, i throttle it UNTIL you change it, i will revert the performance back? Since i can't convince you to change a new phone, i convince you to change a new battery. Win-Win situation. New battery = more sales. New phone = even better.

It seems that Apple is damn shady on this area.
what do you mean by "felt"

so the question is still will you trade no reduction in price of battery replacement for no throttling?
 

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.... trust Apple doing the right thing but don’t get to see....

Either have Apple show you the diagnostic when you collect the phone showing 0 cycles ... or bring a macbook, plug it in when you collect and run Coconut Battery to show you the same information. Not happy with the result, bang table. Trust ... but confirm. :s22:
 

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Either have Apple show you the diagnostic when you collect the phone showing 0 cycles ... or bring a macbook, plug it in when you collect and run Coconut Battery to show you the same information. Not happy with the result, bang table. Trust ... but confirm. :s22:
is it possible for apple to code it such a way that coconut battery will also get fooled by it?
 

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No Advert related post here.

If you want to openly advertise, do PM our admin. We have packages that you can consider to purchase.

And please, do not quote advert post. It's pretty obvious.

Thanks for understanding!
 

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is it possible for apple to code it such a way that coconut battery will also get fooled by it?

Possible. But that would mean running their factory production line to produce a whole new series of batteries for this purpose. And then to distribute it worldwide, SECURELY. They couldn't have possibly done that in the time from announcement to execution of the $38 replacement.
 

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You tell me. And stop asking that idiotic question about trade.
Well is see it is very possible.

Why cannot ask the question about trade? I mean you can choose not to answer because of whatever reason, but doesn't preclude me from asking something you don't wish to answer for whatever reason right?
 

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Possible. But that would mean running their factory production line to produce a whole new series of batteries for this purpose. And then to distribute it worldwide, SECURELY. They couldn't have possibly done that in the time from announcement to execution of the $38 replacement.
it's not at software level?
 

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Well is see it is very possible.

Why cannot ask the question about trade? I mean you can choose not to answer because of whatever reason, but doesn't preclude me from asking something you don't wish to answer for whatever reason right?

Because you are famous for asking nonsense questions??????????

I mean... you have a track record for that....
 

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Either have Apple show you the diagnostic when you collect the phone showing 0 cycles ... or bring a macbook, plug it in when you collect and run Coconut Battery to show you the same information. Not happy with the result, bang table. Trust ... but confirm. :s22:

Hey SiaoAngMoh. Actually cycle count for iPhone/iPad batteries can be reset easily. Thus, while cycle count is a good initial indicator, the only other way would be to see the design cap vs actual cap to determine if the life of the battery has deteriorated.
 

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Why cannot ask the question about trade? I mean you can choose not to answer because of whatever reason, but doesn't preclude me from asking something you don't wish to answer for whatever reason right?

Because it's the same as asking would you prefer to have a broken left leg or right leg. The answer is I'd prefer not to have any legs broken, then you ask the same again. :s22:
 
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