Appointment@ MMI(PCC)

[Yankai8553]

Hi, I'm writing to seek answer to my doubt so anyone with knowledge regarding down pes please answer me. (PS, pardon my long post. I just wish to state what I'm going through so you guys will better understand what happen and what leads to my condition.)

I was medically graded PES B1L1 during my check up in the year 2015 and was supposed to enlist on 12 May 2016 but was later deferred because I was caught for criminal case and charged for Firearm and Explosive act.

Right before I enlist on 12 May 2017. A close friend, someone I always talked to whenever I felt stress, whenever i felt suicidal, he was always there for me. He committed suicide by hanging himself in his home right in his room, under the influence of meth. He is a close friend which I got to know from Singapore Boys Hostel while I was serving Juvenile probation. We were close like related brother, basically because our family problems and our problems were similar, we would always talk to each other about it. We bond well because we both felt we had a similar life, similar problems. He and I would always joke around like "Hey! One day if we both couldn't take it(our problems) lets suicide together." But we both knew we never had the courage to and would say "Aiya don't joke around la, come on we both go through a much ups and downs to get to where we are today, no matter how hard our life gets. We can always prove to people who look down on us wrong."

After knowing the news about his suicide on 9 April 2017. I fall into depression, I kept blaming myself for his death, I could have saved him but I did not. The night before his death, he actually did called me and asked if I was able to meet him because he was feeling stress, depressed and suicidal but I rejected his request because I ended work and just reached home at that time around 12+ in the midnight so I just said to him "bro, I'm tired from work, dont joke around. Let's meet another time." At that point of time I didn't take it seriously when he said he was suicidal because we often joke around the word 'suicide'.

After his death I couldn't eat or sleep well. I kept blaming myself, that it's my fault that I did not meet him that night. Eventually I couldn't take the pain of losing someone so close to me, I kept crying and walked all the way to the kitchen and pick up a chopper and chop my arm(enough strength to wound myself with 3 cut but not that type of strength that could chop my arm off) I was arrested because my sister called the police, brought to CGH in handcuffs to stitch back my wound and back to lock up. Eventually date toward my enlistment got closer and I got enlisted.

I couldn't slept or eat well in camp adding to my problems I had a whitehorse buddy who accused me of something I did not do. We draw our firearm and was told to placed it in our locker and lock our locker up. My buddy accused me and of course he complained to his dad and his dad called in and lodged a complaint against me, my PC looked me up and spoke to me but know that I did not mess with my buddy locker because SAF lock request 3-4turns and up to 40 numbers which obviously is difficult to unlock if one does not know the pin. I was angry for being accused for something I didnt do. After speaking to my PC, I went back to my bunk and confronted my buddy and I punched him in his face once, he complaint to his dad again and my PC ran up spoke to me again and I was informally punish with one day late book out.

Every night I couldn't sleep and could hear voices telling me to beat anyone up if they mess with me. Often in camp I would cry softly in the middle of the night blaming myself for my friend death. So my condition worsen, I would always get headaches in the early morning when I wake up from that 1-2hours of sleep, halfway through exercise and in the night when I couldn't sleep which leads to me not having enough energy the next day so I would often report sick, I was eventually OOC and posted out to selarang, selarang then posted me back to Tekong BMTC under CLSA as a Storeman(GE) because of all the sleepless night and headache, hearing voices. I would often call in to report sick and because of sleepless night I didn't want to see the sun, so I waited till afternoon to go polyclinic or evening or night to go to a private clinic, because of frequent visit to polyclinic, the doctor asked me if something was wrong and I told her what happened to me. She referred me to Psychiatrist@ CGH Intergrated building. As I was waiting to see the psychiatrist@CGH.

I continue taking MCs from polyclinic in afternoon and private clinic in the evening. One day my Clerk made a visit to my house to collect all my MCs and inform me that if I take MCs in the afternoon or evening it would be consider invalid and I would have to apply leaves to cover my absences from camp, which I did I applied for 6 days of leave because of what the clerk instructed me. Soon after I went for my appointment @ CGH I was issue with 21 days of MCs, diagnosed with Major depression and Unresolved grief by the Psychatrist. My Warrant Officer then send a message asking me to go back to camp MO to endorse my MCs, after I endorse my MCs I wasn't allowed to book out and was held till 6.30pm and my clerk then escort me up to ManPower unit, I was then told by a 2nd Lieutnant(Investigation Officer) that I am being placed under Close Arrest for AWOL because all my MCs taken in the afternoon and evening was invalid(MCs add up to 1 month) and my Warrant Officer rejected 6 days of my Leave.

I went for FFI and was declared unfit for DB and was send to Changi Medical Centre located right in Changi Prison Complex. I was thrown into a cell, the warden then handcuff both my hands and one of my leg to the metal bed. I was only allowed to do my business and bathe in the morning, two days in CMC I broke down and cried, I couldn't take it anymore and wanted to suicide as I thought that was the only way out of CMC but later on a chinese warden then talked to me and ask me to act normal whenever a psychiatrist in CMC inspect me. After 3 days in CMC I was released from their custody and handed over back to 4 MPs who then escorted me back to DB, 3days later a Major then came to DB and I took order to be sentenced to DB for 9 days for my 1month AWOL which I eventually serve right till the end after being released I was told by a 2nd Lieutnant(my defending officer) that I do not have to report to camp because of my valid 21 days MCs issue before my DB, I have to consume the MCs. One week later I was told to report to Mowbray camp, a 2nd Lieutnant will meet me under my block(my defending officer), I have an investigation with the SIB, so this investigation started because of the 3 scars I inflicted before NS and the MO that does my FFI for DB suspected that I was abused in camp and was inflicted during service, I explained and was told to sign my statement stating that no NS Personnel abuse me during service.

So basically 21 days MCs soon turn to 42 days MCs with a memo from my psychiatrist asking my Camp MO to referred me to PCC@MMI for pes review. While waiting for appointment from PCC I was issued with more MCs 43 and 49 days of MCs. My psychiatrist in CGH doesn't want me to return back to camp as I had Anger management issue and she's afraid that I couldn't control my anger towards my Warrant Officer and afraid that my Warrant Officer would affect my depression and increase my thoughts of suicidal.

During this period I waited up to 3months to get an appointment in PCC because my camp MO classified my condition as Non-Urgent Case. Finally after 3 months I gotten an appointment fixed on 30 July 2018.
I'm now under medication Fluoxetine for Major depression and under 50mg Atarax to help me sleep better.


Question1: Do I have to get a Memo from my psychiatrist at CGH stating my diagnosis and bring it along to my appointment at PCC?
Question2: What are the chances of downgrading to PES F on that day or what is the procedure I have to go through to down pes?(My ORD date is somewhere around June/July 2019 after extending)
Question3: What are the questions they will normally asked?
Question4: What if the psychatrist at PCC doesn't believe in my condition?
Question5: Am I boarded right now? Because when my camp MO refer me, I wasn't asked to sign any letters.

I hope someone would be able to answer my questions and thank you for taking up your time to read up this long post and answering my questions.
I also wish to voice out in advance, to anyone who think I chao keng, well I mean it's your thinking, I can't stop you but if you got nothing nice to say then just keep it to yourself.(Sorry to anyone I have offended by saying this)

Anyway any kind soul willing to advice?
Really lazy and frustrated to see such advice coming from reddevil0728 early in the morning, so i wont be entertaining his replies.

 

[reddevil0728]

Hi, I'm writing to seek answer to my doubt so anyone with knowledge regarding down pes please answer me. (PS, pardon my long post. I just wish to state what I'm going through so you guys will better understand what happen and what leads to my condition.)

I was medically graded PES B1L1 during my check up in the year 2015 and was supposed to enlist on 12 May 2016 but was later deferred because I was caught for criminal case and charged for Firearm and Explosive act. Right before I enlist on 12 May 2017. A close friend, someone I always talked to whenever I felt stress, whenever i felt suicidal, he was always there for me. He committed suicide by hanging himself in his home right in his room, under the influence of meth. He is a close friend which I got to know from Singapore Boys Hostel while I was serving Juvenile probation. We were close like related brother, basically because our family problems and our problems were similar, we would always talk to each other about it. We bond well because we both felt we had a similar life, similar problems. He and I would always joke around like "Hey! One day if we both couldn't take it(our problems) lets suicide together." But we both knew we never had the courage to and would say "Aiya don't joke around la, come on we both go through a much ups and downs to get to where we are today, no matter how hard our life gets. We can always prove to people who look down on us wrong."
After knowing the news about his suicide on 9 April 2017. I fall into depression, I kept blaming myself for his death, I could have saved him but I did not. The night before his death, he actually did called me and asked if I was able to meet him because he was feeling stress, depressed and suicidal but I rejected his request because I ended work and just reached home at that time around 12+ in the midnight so I just said to him "bro, I'm tired from work, dont joke around. Let's meet another time." At that point of time I didn't take it seriously when he said he was suicidal because we often joke around the word 'suicide'. After his death I couldn't eat or sleep well. I kept blaming myself, that it's my fault that I did not meet him that night. Eventually I couldn't take the pain of losing someone so close to me, I kept crying and walked all the way to the kitchen and pick up a chopper and chop my arm(enough strength to wound myself with 3 cut but not that type of strength that could chop my arm off) I was arrested because my sister called the police, brought to CGH in handcuffs to stitch back my wound and back to lock up. Eventually date toward my enlistment got closer and I got enlisted. I couldn't slept or eat well in camp adding to my problems I had a whitehorse buddy who accused me of something I did not do. We draw our firearm and was told to placed it in our locker and lock our locker up. My buddy accused me and of course he complained to his dad and his dad called in and lodged a complaint against me, my PC looked me up and spoke to me but know that I did not mess with my buddy locker because SAF lock request 3-4turns and up to 40 numbers which obviously is difficult to unlock if one does not know the pin. I was angry for being accused for something I didnt do. After speaking to my PC, I went back to my bunk and confronted my buddy and I punched him in his face once, he complaint to his dad again and my PC ran up spoke to me again and I was informally punish with one day late book out. Every night I couldn't sleep and could hear voices telling me to beat anyone up if they mess with me. Often in camp I would cry softly in the middle of the night blaming myself for my friend death. So my condition worsen, I would always get headaches in the early morning when I wake up from that 1-2hours of sleep, halfway through exercise and in the night when I couldn't sleep which leads to me not having enough energy the next day so I would often report sick, I was eventually OOC and posted out to selarang, selarang then posted me back to Tekong BMTC under CLSA as a Storeman(GE) because of all the sleepless night and headache, hearing voices. I would often call in to report sick and because of sleepless night I didn't want to see the sun, so I waited till afternoon to go polyclinic or evening or night to go to a private clinic, because of frequent visit to polyclinic, the doctor asked me if something was wrong and I told her what happened to me. She referred me to Psychiatrist@ CGH Intergrated building. As I was waiting to see the psychiatrist@CGH. I continue taking MCs from polyclinic in afternoon and private clinic in the evening. One day my Clerk made a visit to my house to collect all my MCs and inform me that if I take MCs in the afternoon or evening it would be consider invalid and I would have to apply leaves to cover my absences from camp, which I did I applied for 6 days of leave because of what the clerk instructed me. Soon after I went for my appointment @ CGH I was issue with 21 days of MCs, diagnosed with Major depression and Unresolved grief by the Psychatrist. My Warrant Officer then send a message asking me to go back to camp MO to endorse my MCs, after I endorse my MCs I wasn't allowed to book out and was held till 6.30pm and my clerk then escort me up to ManPower unit, I was then told by a 2nd Lieutnant that I am being placed under Close Arrest for AWOL because all my MCs taken in the afternoon and evening was invalid(MCs add up to 1 month) and my Warrant Officer rejected 6 days of my Leave. I went for FFI and was declared unfit for DB and was send to Changi Medical Centre located right in Changi Prison Complex. I was thrown into a cell, the warden then handcuff both my hands and one of my leg to the metal bed. I was only allowed to do my business and bathe in the morning, two days in CMC I broke down and cried, I couldn't take it anymore and wanted to suicide as I thought that was the only way out of CMC but later on a chinese warden then talked to me and ask me to act normal whenever a psychiatrist in CMC inspect me. After 3 days in CMC I was released from their custody and handed over back to 4 MPs who then escorted me back to DB, 3days later a Major then came to DB and I took order to be sentenced to DB for 9 days for my 1month AWOL which I eventually serve right till the end after being released I was told by a 2nd Lieutnant(my defending officer) that I do not have to report to camp because of my valid 21 days MCs issue before my DB, I have to consume the MCs, so basically 21 days MCs soon turn to 42 days MCs with a memo from my psychiatrist asking my Camp MO to referred me to PCC@MMI for pes review. While waiting for appointment from PCC I was issued with more MCs 43 and 49 days of MCs. My psychiatrist in CGH doesn't want me to return back to camp as I had Anger management issue and she's afraid that I couldn't control my anger towards my Warrant Officer and afraid that my Warrant Officer would affect my depression and increase my thoughts of suicidal. During this period I waited up to 3months to get an appointment in PCC because my camp MO classified my condition as Non-Urgent Case. Finally after 3 months I gotten an appointment fixed on 30 July 2018.
I'm now under medication Fluoxetine for Major depression and under 50mg Atarax to help me sleep better.


Question1: Do I have to get a Memo from my psychiatrist at CGH stating my diagnosis and bring it along to my appointment at PCC?
Question2: What are the chances of downgrading to PES F on that day or what is the procedure I have to go through to down pes?(My ORD date is somewhere around June/July 2019 after extending)
Question3: What are the questions they will normally asked?
Question4: What if the psychatrist at PCC doesn't believe in my condition?
Question5: Am I boarded right now? Because when my camp MO refer me, I wasn't asked to sign any letters.

I hope someone would be able to answer my questions and thank you for taking up your time to read up this long post and answering my questions.
I also wish to voice out in advance, to anyone who think I chao keng, well I mean it's your thinking, I can't stop you but if you got nothing nice to say then just keep it to yourself.(Sorry to anyone I have offended by saying this)

- If you want “answer”, then I am sorry, I don’t think anybody can give you “answer” here, but can only give you opinion or give you the direction to find the answer.
- People can pardon you for the long post, but cannot pardon you for not paragraphing. After you have posted this post, wouldn’t you realise it is in 1 big chunk? I suggest you go learn to paragraph first if not, you will turn off a lot of people who will read.

 

[Yankai8553]

- If you want “answer”, then I am sorry, I don’t think anybody can give you “answer” here, but can only give you opinion or give you the direction to find the answer.
- People can pardon you for the long post, but cannot pardon you for not paragraphing. After you have posted this post, wouldn’t you realise it is in 1 big chunk? I suggest you go learn to paragraph first if not, you will turn off a lot of people who will read.

Didn't study well, so sorry if it turn you off then dont bother reading,

 

[reddevil0728]

Hi, I'm writing to seek answer to my doubt so anyone with knowledge regarding down pes please answer me. (PS, pardon my long post. I just wish to state what I'm going through so you guys will better understand what happen and what leads to my condition.)

I was medically graded PES B1L1 during my check up in the year 2015 and was supposed to enlist on 12 May 2016 but was later deferred because I was caught for criminal case and charged for Firearm and Explosive act.

Right before I enlist on 12 May 2017. A close friend, someone I always talked to whenever I felt stress, whenever i felt suicidal, he was always there for me. He committed suicide by hanging himself in his home right in his room, under the influence of meth. He is a close friend which I got to know from Singapore Boys Hostel while I was serving Juvenile probation. We were close like related brother, basically because our family problems and our problems were similar, we would always talk to each other about it. We bond well because we both felt we had a similar life, similar problems. He and I would always joke around like "Hey! One day if we both couldn't take it(our problems) lets suicide together." But we both knew we never had the courage to and would say "Aiya don't joke around la, come on we both go through a much ups and downs to get to where we are today, no matter how hard our life gets. We can always prove to people who look down on us wrong."

After knowing the news about his suicide on 9 April 2017. I fall into depression, I kept blaming myself for his death, I could have saved him but I did not. The night before his death, he actually did called me and asked if I was able to meet him because he was feeling stress, depressed and suicidal but I rejected his request because I ended work and just reached home at that time around 12+ in the midnight so I just said to him "bro, I'm tired from work, dont joke around. Let's meet another time." At that point of time I didn't take it seriously when he said he was suicidal because we often joke around the word 'suicide'.

After his death I couldn't eat or sleep well. I kept blaming myself, that it's my fault that I did not meet him that night. Eventually I couldn't take the pain of losing someone so close to me, I kept crying and walked all the way to the kitchen and pick up a chopper and chop my arm(enough strength to wound myself with 3 cut but not that type of strength that could chop my arm off) I was arrested because my sister called the police, brought to CGH in handcuffs to stitch back my wound and back to lock up. Eventually date toward my enlistment got closer and I got enlisted.

I couldn't slept or eat well in camp adding to my problems I had a whitehorse buddy who accused me of something I did not do. We draw our firearm and was told to placed it in our locker and lock our locker up. My buddy accused me and of course he complained to his dad and his dad called in and lodged a complaint against me, my PC looked me up and spoke to me but know that I did not mess with my buddy locker because SAF lock request 3-4turns and up to 40 numbers which obviously is difficult to unlock if one does not know the pin. I was angry for being accused for something I didnt do. After speaking to my PC, I went back to my bunk and confronted my buddy and I punched him in his face once, he complaint to his dad again and my PC ran up spoke to me again and I was informally punish with one day late book out.

Every night I couldn't sleep and could hear voices telling me to beat anyone up if they mess with me. Often in camp I would cry softly in the middle of the night blaming myself for my friend death. So my condition worsen, I would always get headaches in the early morning when I wake up from that 1-2hours of sleep, halfway through exercise and in the night when I couldn't sleep which leads to me not having enough energy the next day so I would often report sick, I was eventually OOC and posted out to selarang, selarang then posted me back to Tekong BMTC under CLSA as a Storeman(GE) because of all the sleepless night and headache, hearing voices. I would often call in to report sick and because of sleepless night I didn't want to see the sun, so I waited till afternoon to go polyclinic or evening or night to go to a private clinic, because of frequent visit to polyclinic, the doctor asked me if something was wrong and I told her what happened to me. She referred me to Psychiatrist@ CGH Intergrated building. As I was waiting to see the psychiatrist@CGH.

I continue taking MCs from polyclinic in afternoon and private clinic in the evening. One day my Clerk made a visit to my house to collect all my MCs and inform me that if I take MCs in the afternoon or evening it would be consider invalid and I would have to apply leaves to cover my absences from camp, which I did I applied for 6 days of leave because of what the clerk instructed me. Soon after I went for my appointment @ CGH I was issue with 21 days of MCs, diagnosed with Major depression and Unresolved grief by the Psychatrist. My Warrant Officer then send a message asking me to go back to camp MO to endorse my MCs, after I endorse my MCs I wasn't allowed to book out and was held till 6.30pm and my clerk then escort me up to ManPower unit, I was then told by a 2nd Lieutnant(Investigation Officer) that I am being placed under Close Arrest for AWOL because all my MCs taken in the afternoon and evening was invalid(MCs add up to 1 month) and my Warrant Officer rejected 6 days of my Leave.

I went for FFI and was declared unfit for DB and was send to Changi Medical Centre located right in Changi Prison Complex. I was thrown into a cell, the warden then handcuff both my hands and one of my leg to the metal bed. I was only allowed to do my business and bathe in the morning, two days in CMC I broke down and cried, I couldn't take it anymore and wanted to suicide as I thought that was the only way out of CMC but later on a chinese warden then talked to me and ask me to act normal whenever a psychiatrist in CMC inspect me. After 3 days in CMC I was released from their custody and handed over back to 4 MPs who then escorted me back to DB, 3days later a Major then came to DB and I took order to be sentenced to DB for 9 days for my 1month AWOL which I eventually serve right till the end after being released I was told by a 2nd Lieutnant(my defending officer) that I do not have to report to camp because of my valid 21 days MCs issue before my DB, I have to consume the MCs. One week later I was told to report to Mowbray camp, a 2nd Lieutnant will meet me under my block(my defending officer), I have an investigation with the SIB, so this investigation started because of the 3 scars I inflicted before NS and the MO that does my FFI for DB suspected that I was abused in camp and was inflicted during service, I explained and was told to sign my statement stating that no NS Personnel abuse me during service.

So basically 21 days MCs soon turn to 42 days MCs with a memo from my psychiatrist asking my Camp MO to referred me to PCC@MMI for pes review. While waiting for appointment from PCC I was issued with more MCs 43 and 49 days of MCs. My psychiatrist in CGH doesn't want me to return back to camp as I had Anger management issue and she's afraid that I couldn't control my anger towards my Warrant Officer and afraid that my Warrant Officer would affect my depression and increase my thoughts of suicidal.

During this period I waited up to 3months to get an appointment in PCC because my camp MO classified my condition as Non-Urgent Case. Finally after 3 months I gotten an appointment fixed on 30 July 2018.
I'm now under medication Fluoxetine for Major depression and under 50mg Atarax to help me sleep better.


Question1: Do I have to get a Memo from my psychiatrist at CGH stating my diagnosis and bring it along to my appointment at PCC?
Question2: What are the chances of downgrading to PES F on that day or what is the procedure I have to go through to down pes?(My ORD date is somewhere around June/July 2019 after extending)
Question3: What are the questions they will normally asked?
Question4: What if the psychatrist at PCC doesn't believe in my condition?
Question5: Am I boarded right now? Because when my camp MO refer me, I wasn't asked to sign any letters.

I hope someone would be able to answer my questions and thank you for taking up your time to read up this long post and answering my questions.
I also wish to voice out in advance, to anyone who think I chao keng, well I mean it's your thinking, I can't stop you but if you got nothing nice to say then just keep it to yourself.(Sorry to anyone I have offended by saying this)

To be honest, I am surprised you are graded PES B1L1 even though you have been feeling stress and suicidal for very long (I assumed).

Did you declare your suicidal thoughts? Did you seek treatment?

How you know your buddy is a white horse?

What the Chinese Warden doesn’t sounds right man.

1) “a memo from my psychiatrist asking my Camp MO to referred me to PCC@MMI for pes review”, there is already a memo given right? It’s likely they would have transmitted it to PCC@MMI themselves.

2) Are you talking about same day discharge as in immediate “bye bye” that kind? Actually regardless of what you will still be covered with MC right?

3) If it is legit, it’s legit. Don’t need to prep for such questions. It should be natural to you.

4) If it reached PCC it should be quite serious and is a specialist who referred so they should be taking it seriously. And you have a history. It will be dangerous for them not to believe.

5) Does it matter?

 

[Ark Law]

Q1: Whatever black & white you can obtain, bring it with you.

Q2: PES F doesn't mean same day discharge. Your unit will know what to do should you be PES F-ed. Chance wise, depends on the nature of your case, PES directives and obviously the medical board.

Q3: Anything and everything. Personal and psy-related. You shouldn't be thinking about this. Just talk as you normally would.

Q4: See Q1.

Q5: Nobody can be certain. Clarify with your unit medical centre/MO.

 

[Hey_you]

Hi, I'm writing to seek answer to my doubt so anyone with knowledge regarding down pes please answer me. (PS, pardon my long post. I just wish to state what I'm going through so you guys will better understand what happen and what leads to my condition.)

I was medically graded PES B1L1 during my check up in the year 2015 and was supposed to enlist on 12 May 2016 but was later deferred because I was caught for criminal case and charged for Firearm and Explosive act.

Right before I enlist on 12 May 2017. A close friend, someone I always talked to whenever I felt stress, whenever i felt suicidal, he was always there for me. He committed suicide by hanging himself in his home right in his room, under the influence of meth. He is a close friend which I got to know from Singapore Boys Hostel while I was serving Juvenile probation. We were close like related brother, basically because our family problems and our problems were similar, we would always talk to each other about it. We bond well because we both felt we had a similar life, similar problems. He and I would always joke around like "Hey! One day if we both couldn't take it(our problems) lets suicide together." But we both knew we never had the courage to and would say "Aiya don't joke around la, come on we both go through a much ups and downs to get to where we are today, no matter how hard our life gets. We can always prove to people who look down on us wrong."

After knowing the news about his suicide on 9 April 2017. I fall into depression, I kept blaming myself for his death, I could have saved him but I did not. The night before his death, he actually did called me and asked if I was able to meet him because he was feeling stress, depressed and suicidal but I rejected his request because I ended work and just reached home at that time around 12+ in the midnight so I just said to him "bro, I'm tired from work, dont joke around. Let's meet another time." At that point of time I didn't take it seriously when he said he was suicidal because we often joke around the word 'suicide'.

After his death I couldn't eat or sleep well. I kept blaming myself, that it's my fault that I did not meet him that night. Eventually I couldn't take the pain of losing someone so close to me, I kept crying and walked all the way to the kitchen and pick up a chopper and chop my arm(enough strength to wound myself with 3 cut but not that type of strength that could chop my arm off) I was arrested because my sister called the police, brought to CGH in handcuffs to stitch back my wound and back to lock up. Eventually date toward my enlistment got closer and I got enlisted.

I couldn't slept or eat well in camp adding to my problems I had a whitehorse buddy who accused me of something I did not do. We draw our firearm and was told to placed it in our locker and lock our locker up. My buddy accused me and of course he complained to his dad and his dad called in and lodged a complaint against me, my PC looked me up and spoke to me but know that I did not mess with my buddy locker because SAF lock request 3-4turns and up to 40 numbers which obviously is difficult to unlock if one does not know the pin. I was angry for being accused for something I didnt do. After speaking to my PC, I went back to my bunk and confronted my buddy and I punched him in his face once, he complaint to his dad again and my PC ran up spoke to me again and I was informally punish with one day late book out.

Every night I couldn't sleep and could hear voices telling me to beat anyone up if they mess with me. Often in camp I would cry softly in the middle of the night blaming myself for my friend death. So my condition worsen, I would always get headaches in the early morning when I wake up from that 1-2hours of sleep, halfway through exercise and in the night when I couldn't sleep which leads to me not having enough energy the next day so I would often report sick, I was eventually OOC and posted out to selarang, selarang then posted me back to Tekong BMTC under CLSA as a Storeman(GE) because of all the sleepless night and headache, hearing voices. I would often call in to report sick and because of sleepless night I didn't want to see the sun, so I waited till afternoon to go polyclinic or evening or night to go to a private clinic, because of frequent visit to polyclinic, the doctor asked me if something was wrong and I told her what happened to me. She referred me to Psychiatrist@ CGH Intergrated building. As I was waiting to see the psychiatrist@CGH.

I continue taking MCs from polyclinic in afternoon and private clinic in the evening. One day my Clerk made a visit to my house to collect all my MCs and inform me that if I take MCs in the afternoon or evening it would be consider invalid and I would have to apply leaves to cover my absences from camp, which I did I applied for 6 days of leave because of what the clerk instructed me. Soon after I went for my appointment @ CGH I was issue with 21 days of MCs, diagnosed with Major depression and Unresolved grief by the Psychatrist. My Warrant Officer then send a message asking me to go back to camp MO to endorse my MCs, after I endorse my MCs I wasn't allowed to book out and was held till 6.30pm and my clerk then escort me up to ManPower unit, I was then told by a 2nd Lieutnant(Investigation Officer) that I am being placed under Close Arrest for AWOL because all my MCs taken in the afternoon and evening was invalid(MCs add up to 1 month) and my Warrant Officer rejected 6 days of my Leave.

I went for FFI and was declared unfit for DB and was send to Changi Medical Centre located right in Changi Prison Complex. I was thrown into a cell, the warden then handcuff both my hands and one of my leg to the metal bed. I was only allowed to do my business and bathe in the morning, two days in CMC I broke down and cried, I couldn't take it anymore and wanted to suicide as I thought that was the only way out of CMC but later on a chinese warden then talked to me and ask me to act normal whenever a psychiatrist in CMC inspect me. After 3 days in CMC I was released from their custody and handed over back to 4 MPs who then escorted me back to DB, 3days later a Major then came to DB and I took order to be sentenced to DB for 9 days for my 1month AWOL which I eventually serve right till the end after being released I was told by a 2nd Lieutnant(my defending officer) that I do not have to report to camp because of my valid 21 days MCs issue before my DB, I have to consume the MCs. One week later I was told to report to Mowbray camp, a 2nd Lieutnant will meet me under my block(my defending officer), I have an investigation with the SIB, so this investigation started because of the 3 scars I inflicted before NS and the MO that does my FFI for DB suspected that I was abused in camp and was inflicted during service, I explained and was told to sign my statement stating that no NS Personnel abuse me during service.

So basically 21 days MCs soon turn to 42 days MCs with a memo from my psychiatrist asking my Camp MO to referred me to PCC@MMI for pes review. While waiting for appointment from PCC I was issued with more MCs 43 and 49 days of MCs. My psychiatrist in CGH doesn't want me to return back to camp as I had Anger management issue and she's afraid that I couldn't control my anger towards my Warrant Officer and afraid that my Warrant Officer would affect my depression and increase my thoughts of suicidal.

During this period I waited up to 3months to get an appointment in PCC because my camp MO classified my condition as Non-Urgent Case. Finally after 3 months I gotten an appointment fixed on 30 July 2018.
I'm now under medication Fluoxetine for Major depression and under 50mg Atarax to help me sleep better.


Question1: Do I have to get a Memo from my psychiatrist at CGH stating my diagnosis and bring it along to my appointment at PCC?
Question2: What are the chances of downgrading to PES F on that day or what is the procedure I have to go through to down pes?(My ORD date is somewhere around June/July 2019 after extending)
Question3: What are the questions they will normally asked?
Question4: What if the psychatrist at PCC doesn't believe in my condition?
Question5: Am I boarded right now? Because when my camp MO refer me, I wasn't asked to sign any letters.

I hope someone would be able to answer my questions and thank you for taking up your time to read up this long post and answering my questions.
I also wish to voice out in advance, to anyone who think I chao keng, well I mean it's your thinking, I can't stop you but if you got nothing nice to say then just keep it to yourself.(Sorry to anyone I have offended by saying this)

Anyway any kind soul willing to advice?
Really lazy and frustrated to see such advice coming from reddevil0728 early in the morning, so i wont be entertaining his replies.

hey TS,

Qn1: best to get all the memos you can from your specialists outside
Qn2: if you get downgraded to Pes F, the MO will give you a long (~60 days) MC while your pes F is being processed
Qn4: the psychiatrists at PCC will not take your condition lightly if you have the supporting documents from specialists outside. Thats why it is important to make sure you get memos (as detailed as possible) before going to PCC.
Qn5: you were not boarded as the MO will get you to sign a form and inform you that you are being boarded before doing so

 

[Boss1996]

Hey bro how's your PCC coming along? I just went for mine recently. Pm me for details.

 

[happyface98]

Hey bro how's your PCC coming along? I just went for mine recently. Pm me for details.

Hi there, may i know how long did you waited for the appointment with PCC?

Currently, my MO has refered me to PCC and I do not know how long it would take.

Hope to hear from you soon.

 

[Orgorgrog]

Hi there, may i know how long did you waited for the appointment with PCC?

Currently, my MO has refered me to PCC and I do not know how long it would take.

Hope to hear from you soon.

PES F, P-case here. Personal experience. Maybe I can shed a little light on the matter.

Since TS posted his question in July, he's probably out of service already if the PES F was approved. Like many others who come here specifically to ask about such topics, he probably won't feel any need to return once things have settled down.

Going to PCC does not mean you will definitely be boarded for PES F. They can simply be trying to find out more about your condition from the military medicine point of view, i.e. typical follow-up appointment. A lot of servicemen are sent there for that.

Waiting period depends on the urgency of your case as determined by your referring camp MO (with reference to your personal psychiatrist's opinion) and the availability of slots at PCC. Mine was 2 or 3 days (IIRC).

The camp MO is not the one who recommends you for PES F. Depending on the case, if you are deemed to be a candidate for PES F the PCC MO might ask if you want to be boarded, or might outright board you without a choice on your part (for the more risky cases). If boarded for PES F, you will be given 60 days of MC on the spot and you or your guardian/caregiver (if accompanying you and you are under 21yo) will be asked to sign an acknowledgement that you understand the potential consequences of PES F.

Once SAF medical board approves the PCC MO's recommendation, your camp will inform you about your last day of service and your dates for ORD FFI (blood test, dental, medical). Your last day of service does not necessarily have to be the same as your last day of MC. It can be earlier depending on how soon the board clears you.

Regarding the MC: the rule of staying home during MC applies for this 60-day one as well. Going out for necessary stuff (e.g. buy meals, medical appointment) should ideally be reported to your unit or you can be charged if they visit and you are not home. The keyword here is "can". It's an option that they have if they want to be strict with you.

Certain exceptional cases are given an additional memo that allows them to go out around their district, hang out with friends and family outside, or to perform specific activities at certain places. I will abstain from sharing the criteria here lest it is abused by future cases. This is not common and is dependent on the medical opinion of the PCC MO.

Regarding the consequences of PES F: Most of it are natural results of your medical condition, e.g. stigma, discrimination, or impairment due to the medical condition. A woman with the same condition would face the same obstacles even though they do not need to serve NS and thus have no PES. The system itself does not differentiate between PES F or non-PES F. So far I have faced practically no problems.

Point to note: do not abuse the system by pushing for PES F. If you qualify for it, it will come to you without you going after it. Insisting for PES F when professional medical opinion is to the contrary is effectively malingering.

Hope this helps.

 

[FadedBoy]

PES F, P-case here. Personal experience. Maybe I can shed a little light on the matter.

Since TS posted his question in July, he's probably out of service already if the PES F was approved. Like many others who come here specifically to ask about such topics, he probably won't feel any need to return once things have settled down.

Going to PCC does not mean you will definitely be boarded for PES F. They can simply be trying to find out more about your condition from the military medicine point of view, i.e. typical follow-up appointment. A lot of servicemen are sent there for that.

Waiting period depends on the urgency of your case as determined by your referring camp MO (with reference to your personal psychiatrist's opinion) and the availability of slots at PCC. Mine was 2 or 3 days (IIRC).

The camp MO is not the one who recommends you for PES F. Depending on the case, if you are deemed to be a candidate for PES F the PCC MO might ask if you want to be boarded, or might outright board you without a choice on your part (for the more risky cases). If boarded for PES F, you will be given 60 days of MC on the spot and you or your guardian/caregiver (if accompanying you and you are under 21yo) will be asked to sign an acknowledgement that you understand the potential consequences of PES F.

Once SAF medical board approves the PCC MO's recommendation, your camp will inform you about your last day of service and your dates for ORD FFI (blood test, dental, medical). Your last day of service does not necessarily have to be the same as your last day of MC. It can be earlier depending on how soon the board clears you.

Regarding the MC: the rule of staying home during MC applies for this 60-day one as well. Going out for necessary stuff (e.g. buy meals, medical appointment) should ideally be reported to your unit or you can be charged if they visit and you are not home. The keyword here is "can". It's an option that they have if they want to be strict with you.

Certain exceptional cases are given an additional memo that allows them to go out around their district, hang out with friends and family outside, or to perform specific activities at certain places. I will abstain from sharing the criteria here lest it is abused by future cases. This is not common and is dependent on the medical opinion of the PCC MO.

Regarding the consequences of PES F: Most of it are natural results of your medical condition, e.g. stigma, discrimination, or impairment due to the medical condition. A woman with the same condition would face the same obstacles even though they do not need to serve NS and thus have no PES. The system itself does not differentiate between PES F or non-PES F. So far I have faced practically no problems.

Point to note: do not abuse the system by pushing for PES F. If you qualify for it, it will come to you without you going after it. Insisting for PES F when professional medical opinion is to the contrary is effectively malingering.

Hope this helps.

I'm PES F P case too. They didn't share with me the consequences but oh wells. I have moved on, I hope that you are doing well!

 

[Yankai8553]

Hi there, may i know how long did you waited for the appointment with PCC?

Currently, my MO has refered me to PCC and I do not know how long it would take.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Hi like what orgorgrog said im already out of service. Normally PCC take quite long from what i heard from my clerk. Mine took about 3months.

 

[Yankai8553]

PES F, P-case here. Personal experience. Maybe I can shed a little light on the matter.

Since TS posted his question in July, he's probably out of service already if the PES F was approved. Like many others who come here specifically to ask about such topics, he probably won't feel any need to return once things have settled down.

Going to PCC does not mean you will definitely be boarded for PES F. They can simply be trying to find out more about your condition from the military medicine point of view, i.e. typical follow-up appointment. A lot of servicemen are sent there for that.

Waiting period depends on the urgency of your case as determined by your referring camp MO (with reference to your personal psychiatrist's opinion) and the availability of slots at PCC. Mine was 2 or 3 days (IIRC).

The camp MO is not the one who recommends you for PES F. Depending on the case, if you are deemed to be a candidate for PES F the PCC MO might ask if you want to be boarded, or might outright board you without a choice on your part (for the more risky cases). If boarded for PES F, you will be given 60 days of MC on the spot and you or your guardian/caregiver (if accompanying you and you are under 21yo) will be asked to sign an acknowledgement that you understand the potential consequences of PES F.

Once SAF medical board approves the PCC MO's recommendation, your camp will inform you about your last day of service and your dates for ORD FFI (blood test, dental, medical). Your last day of service does not necessarily have to be the same as your last day of MC. It can be earlier depending on how soon the board clears you.

Regarding the MC: the rule of staying home during MC applies for this 60-day one as well. Going out for necessary stuff (e.g. buy meals, medical appointment) should ideally be reported to your unit or you can be charged if they visit and you are not home. The keyword here is "can". It's an option that they have if they want to be strict with you.

Certain exceptional cases are given an additional memo that allows them to go out around their district, hang out with friends and family outside, or to perform specific activities at certain places. I will abstain from sharing the criteria here lest it is abused by future cases. This is not common and is dependent on the medical opinion of the PCC MO.

Regarding the consequences of PES F: Most of it are natural results of your medical condition, e.g. stigma, discrimination, or impairment due to the medical condition. A woman with the same condition would face the same obstacles even though they do not need to serve NS and thus have no PES. The system itself does not differentiate between PES F or non-PES F. So far I have faced practically no problems.

Point to note: do not abuse the system by pushing for PES F. If you qualify for it, it will come to you without you going after it. Insisting for PES F when professional medical opinion is to the contrary is effectively malingering.

Hope this helps.

Thanks bro for this but kinda too late haha. Was out of service since september2018. Yeap the pcc mo wanted to change camp but the next moment the higher up came in and talk and then decided it was better to board me for pes f. Was given permission to go out for meals and he said if MP came up to check just said pcc mo captain(forgotten the name) gave permission and so apparently i was decharged from service.

 

[reddevil0728]

Hi there, I read your post on the MMI PCC appointment. Thank you very much for writing such a detailed post.

I visited IMH today and described my depression symptoms to the Doctor. Subsequently, I was diagnosed with Adjustment Disorder, along with anxiety and panic attacks. The IMH doctor has already provided a memo for me to pass on to my camp MO, who will apparently refer me to the MMI PCC.

May I ask about my chances of getting PES F, or what I should do to increase them? I'm asking this because I view it as the only viable solution for my condition to improve. Other alternatives like re-vocation would only make things worse, as it is not my unit that is worsening my depression, but rather the entire nature and regimentation of SAF.

Thank you once again for offering your help.

Last paragraph is very obvious liao.

 

[sohcheekeong]

Last paragraph is very obvious liao.

Last paragraph is "Thank you once again for offering your help.". Obviously he is very thankful for your help.

 

[reddevil0728]

Last paragraph is "Thank you once again for offering your help.". Obviously he is very thankful for your help.

lol ok. let me be more precise ok... last proper paragraph or 2nd last paragraph of the post he quoted...

 

[Orgorgrog]

Hi there, I read your post on the MMI PCC appointment. Thank you very much for writing such a detailed post.

I visited IMH today and described my depression symptoms to the Doctor. Subsequently, I was diagnosed with Adjustment Disorder, along with anxiety and panic attacks. The IMH doctor has already provided a memo for me to pass on to my camp MO, who will apparently refer me to the MMI PCC.

May I ask about my chances of getting PES F, or what I should do to increase them? I'm asking this because I view it as the only viable solution for my condition to improve. Other alternatives like re-vocation would only make things worse, as it is not my unit that is worsening my depression, but rather the entire nature and regimentation of SAF.

Thank you once again for offering your help.

Never intended for the comment to be a chao keng guide...

I think the first thing you need to realize before anything else is that the way you wrote your reply literally screams "malingering"...

PCC appointment does not necessarily equal PES F or even just a downgrade. No, there isn't any way for you to "increase" your chances of getting PES F, barring the possibility that you may have powerful and sympathetic connections that "might" allow you to go under-table.

Every individual case is assessed separately by the MOs based on the circumstances. Two people with exactly the same diagnosis at the same degree of severity may still receive entirely different PES gradings due to a host of other factors in play.

Just so you know, Adjustment Disorder is relatively minor, and symptoms of anxiety and panic attacks are natural derivatives of this condition. It is not what most people would typically call a "mental illness" per se, such as the likes of Major Depressive Disorder, Schizophrenia, etc, but rather a maladaptive response born from a somewhat exaggerated inability and/or unwillingness to adapt to a change of environment or circumstances. Despite sharing certain symptoms, Adjustment Disorder is not the same as clinical Depression.

Whether a change of vocation or PES F would help is for the doctors involved to decide. In any case, with appropriate treatment/therapy the vast majority of Adjustment Disorder cases would resolve with time, except for those who are actively (read: purposely) resisting adapting to the new situation, or those whose aversion stems from severe prior trauma such as PTSD or prolonged abuse.

In a nutshell, all you really need to know is the SAF MOs and your IMH doctor would communicate on your condition and decide on the best course of action to follow. All, and I mean ALL of the genuine PES F individuals that I know personally were OFFERED the status by the SAF MOs without having to "fight" for it, if you get what I mean. If the doctors think you need to be discharged from service then PES F it will be. If not then it could be any other status.

 

[Orgorgrog]

And just to add on, I think you conveniently overlooked what I wrote in my last paragraph when you read my comment to TS:

"Point to note: do not abuse the system by pushing for PES F. If you qualify for it, it will come to you without you going after it. Insisting for PES F when professional medical opinion is to the contrary is effectively malingering."