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[Ask A Headhunter]

Thank you. This is certainly the best thread created in edmw for a very long time ...

Only too happy to help my fellow edmwers. I will reply the rest tomorrow morning


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[Didjerama]

Which sector do most companies hire a recruiter?

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[Boltstorm]

Which sector do most companies hire a recruiter?

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Almost all except government.

 

[SinkieHatingSinkie]

ok here's something that happened to me which I don't understand:

1. Recruiter calls me about a job and ask me whether I am interested and I say yes.
2. Asks me for my expected salary and says ok, they will send me an email with some details.
3. The recruiter doesn't send me any email.

What happened? This has happened to me about 3 times over the years.

Best case scenerio is the hiring manager never shortlist u.

Worst case is your data tio farm for candidate database or market research

 

[Boltstorm]

Worst case is your data tio farm for candidate database or market research

This must be it. They can find out what's the salary for your last job

 

[SinkieHatingSinkie]

This must be it. They can find out what's the salary for your last job

Once, some 'recruiter' call me. After the usual "are you looking for a job" qn, the first thing she ask me is my salary. I ask her "is this a selection criteria from your client?" She buay song and shoot "if u are not comfortable then nvm"

then i end the convo

heng nearly tio farm

 

[EvilPaladin]

Once, some 'recruiter' call me. After the usual "are you looking for a job" qn, the first thing she ask me is my salary. I ask her "is this a selection criteria from your client?" She buay song and shoot "if u are not comfortable then nvm"

then i end the convo

heng nearly tio farm

ya i ever got a call like this.

 

[SinkieHatingSinkie]

Do companies/recruiters use age as a selection criteria? It seems that recruiters always never forget to ask my age (or DOB).

One recruiter asked my age (27) and when i told her she sounded so happy and relieved because the client told her to find someone under 30

I really dread the day i hit the big three-zero. Your thoughts?

 

[Ask A Headhunter]

are the salaries stated in the job postings really true? like 120k per annum because from what i heard some of them are really overstated

Yes they are mostly true. But please remember that just because they state 120k doesn't mean you will get 120k.

If you are only currently on 50k obviously you cannot get 120k, and if you only have 3 years exp, same thing.

It usually means they are open to see candidates from 3 to 10 years for example

Which sector do most companies hire a recruiter?

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Every sector

Once, some 'recruiter' call me. After the usual "are you looking for a job" qn, the first thing she ask me is my salary. I ask her "is this a selection criteria from your client?" She buay song and shoot "if u are not comfortable then nvm"

then i end the convo

heng nearly tio farm

A good recruiter usually never ask for salary up front.

They will firstly

1) Tell you about the job
2) Tell you about the company they are hiring for
3) Talk about your past/current experience

Only if all 3 are finished, then they will ask for your salary (assuming you are interested in the role)

Do companies/recruiters use age as a selection criteria? It seems that recruiters always never forget to ask my age (or DOB).

One recruiter asked my age (27) and when i told her she sounded so happy and relieved because the client told her to find someone under 30

I really dread the day i hit the big three-zero. Your thoughts?

Firstly, age discrimination is illegal, you can report the company to ministry of manpower

Secondly, the only instance so far where i have heard of companies asking of age are people who are close to retirement age (above the age of 60)

But do know, selective discrimination is allowable. (Eg: A China company who only deals with china clients based in China wants someone who can read/write/speak very well in Chinese)

 

[HexenHeretic]

Do companies/recruiters use age as a selection criteria? It seems that recruiters always never forget to ask my age (or DOB).

One recruiter asked my age (27) and when i told her she sounded so happy and relieved because the client told her to find someone under 30

I really dread the day i hit the big three-zero. Your thoughts?

questions like age/gender/race/marriage status are considered discrimination
in US if ask this questions can tio sue gao gao, but somehow sg doesn't really enforce this

 

[Tiny potato]

Almost all except government.

Not true. I used to work in govt sector, and we do need to go thru recruitment agency for talents.

 

[TopGun]

Yes they are mostly true. But please remember that just because they state 120k doesn't mean you will get 120k.

If you are only currently on 50k obviously you cannot get 120k, and if you only have 3 years exp, same thing.

It usually means they are open to see candidates from 3 to 10 years for example



Every sector



A good recruiter usually never ask for salary up front.

They will firstly

1) Tell you about the job
2) Tell you about the company they are hiring for
3) Talk about your past/current experience

Only if all 3 are finished, then they will ask for your salary (assuming you are interested in the role)




Firstly, age discrimination is illegal, you can report the company to ministry of manpower

Secondly, the only instance so far where i have heard of companies asking of age are people who are close to retirement age (above the age of 60)

But do know, selective discrimination is allowable. (Eg: A China company who only deals with china clients based in China wants someone who can read/write/speak very well in Chinese)

Age discrimination is illegal. But in reality, headhunters and recruitment agencies offer a way around the rule.

 

[TopGun]

Do companies/recruiters use age as a selection criteria? It seems that recruiters always never forget to ask my age (or DOB).

One recruiter asked my age (27) and when i told her she sounded so happy and relieved because the client told her to find someone under 30

I really dread the day i hit the big three-zero. Your thoughts?

Your recruiter is careless enough to let this slip. Sometimes, there are practical reasons to consider age. E.g. run way if this is a grooming post. Management programmes do have a cut off age for applicants. Or there is a need to make sure the applicant don't upset the employee profile.

 

[Ask A Headhunter]

Age discrimination is illegal. But in reality, headhunters and recruitment agencies offer a way around the rule.

Sorry i beg to differ.

It depends on how ethical the person is, which differs from person to person.

I always push my clients back if they give age discrimination, because they can do the job.

Your recruiter is careless enough to let this slip. Sometimes, there are practical reasons to consider age. E.g. run way if this is a grooming post. Management programmes do have a cut off age for applicants. Or there is a need to make sure the applicant don't upset the employee profile.

Sorry there are seldom practical reasons to discriminate based on age.

Even if they look long term, someone who is above 50 years of age with at least another 10 years to work will be more than sufficient. How many people stay more than 5 years in a company nowadays anyway?

 

[TopGun]

Sorry i beg to differ.

It depends on how ethical the person is, which differs from person to person.

I always push my clients back if they give age discrimination, because they can do the job.



Sorry there are seldom practical reasons to discriminate based on age.

Even if they look long term, someone who is above 50 years of age with at least another 10 years to work will be more than sufficient. How many people stay more than 5 years in a company nowadays anyway?

If it depends on how ethical the headhunter is, then recruiters do offer a way to filter by age.

I shall not go into gory details. I shall just quote the example again that some management programmes do publish a cut off age for application and this decision surely must be based on certain considerations. Will leave it as that.

 

[finclk82]

This is a good thread. Keep it going. I must say there are more and more headhunters entering the industry fresh out of school and trying to do roles which are quite high paying.

The qns they ask, the naivety is sometimes too much that i have to tell them they shouldn't be asking such qns so fast, they should know what kind of candidates to approach and not just anyone who's in the same big industry.

 

[Ask A Headhunter]

If it depends on how ethical the headhunter is, then recruiters do offer a way to filter by age.

I shall not go into gory details. I shall just quote the example again that some management programmes do publish a cut off age for application and this decision surely must be based on certain considerations. Will leave it as that.

Firstly, management programs are not open to headhunters to work on most of the time anyway because they are only through direct applications most of the time anyway

Secondly, a good HH will not discriminate base on age, unless the person is only working on one company and one client.

I give you a very good example, last year i was representing a very experienced lady (almost 60 years old), i literally put her in front of 10 companies, as you probably guessed, some companies were put off because of her age, but others did not, and among the 10 companies, 8 actually interviewed her, and she got offered by 4 companies.

And the reason why she didn't get offered by the other 4 companies was not because of age as well, but because they could not afford her asking salary.

A good HH will be working with a lot of different companies and not just 1 or 2 companies.

 

[Ask A Headhunter]

This is a good thread. Keep it going. I must say there are more and more headhunters entering the industry fresh out of school and trying to do roles which are quite high paying.

The qns they ask, the naivety is sometimes too much that i have to tell them they shouldn't be asking such qns so fast, they should know what kind of candidates to approach and not just anyone who's in the same big industry.

I do speak with my competitors sometimes, and the way they approach things (especially those with less than 2 years experience, fresh out of uni) give me a shock.

 

[Ask A Headhunter]

ok here's something that happened to me which I don't understand:

1. Recruiter calls me about a job and ask me whether I am interested and I say yes.
2. Asks me for my expected salary and says ok, they will send me an email with some details.
3. The recruiter doesn't send me any email.

What happened? This has happened to me about 3 times over the years.

Firstly, by right the HH is not supposed to send out your cv to the client until

1) You have reviewed the job description (because they send you the job scope thru email)
2) You have agreed to send your cv for one specific job

 

[TopGun]

Firstly, management programs are not open to headhunters to work on most of the time anyway because they are only through direct applications most of the time anyway

Secondly, a good HH will not discriminate base on age, unless the person is only working on one company and one client.

I give you a very good example, last year i was representing a very experienced lady (almost 60 years old), i literally put her in front of 10 companies, as you probably guessed, some companies were put off because of her age, but others did not, and among the 10 companies, 8 actually interviewed her, and she got offered by 4 companies.

And the reason why she didn't get offered by the other 4 companies was not because of age as well, but because they could not afford her asking salary.

A good HH will be working with a lot of different companies and not just 1 or 2 companies.

The point I am trying to make is that companies, for certain reasons, do look at age.

HH and recruiters, offer a way out for these companies.

I am not saying that this is prevalent, acceptable or should be encouraged. I am just sharing the reality.

Kudos to you for holding firm to your ethics.