Asus WiFi 7 and WiFi 6E routers

[BradenHeat]

Yes, it depends on the use cases.

You have provided good info for people who are interested to use QoS with Merlin FW here.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...-rough-guide-for-starters-12-dec-2021.6658392

LOL, back to haunt me , now that i think about it, its a good start off for those needing to get a strong all round wifi router

but now to see if Gl-iNet has anything thats 4x4 to sweeten the deal =p

 

[BradenHeat]

in my experience, for 1 use case, QoS was only useful for bandwidth limiting. on a 500Mbps plan, the % throttling (on unrestricted speed IP address) was not that noticible, max 300-320Mbps. This was on a RT-AC68U on Merlin, M1 500Mbps line, 2020-2022 during covid lockdowns. 6 users, comprising 4 WFH adults, 2 undergrads with online lectures and one providing online tuition via video call. no complaints, no reports of dropped connections esp for 3 on corporate VPN connections each with multi-participant zoom/teams calls.

my own view is, with 500Mbps and higher (ie sg conditions), if ISP has decent latency, and no ISP throttling, no bandwidth limiting needed, then the line speed is enough for most residential accounts and general useage, and therefore no need for QoS.

sorry for double posting,

havent gotten my coffeeeeeeeee

1Gbps with cake, is required, if house hold has 8 smart devices in use all the time [ read : kids on youtube/ gaming / downloading ]

From : past large extended family gathering

but yea, if its zoom or normal stream, its fine, it does take a huge hit when some one updates their steam data or torrents the iso for afew distros from a quick search on line

 

[loganrunning]

sorry for double posting,

havent gotten my coffeeeeeeeee

1Gbps with cake, is required, if house hold has 8 smart devices in use all the time [ read : kids on youtube/ gaming / downloading ]

so far, no problems. if they all compete for bandwidth, let them sort it out -- they eventually figure out how to play nice and to take turns. if not, i just press a button and wifi gets disabled. equal misery theory.

From : past large extended family gathering

but yea, if its zoom or normal stream, its fine, it does take a huge hit when some one updates their steam data or torrents the iso for afew distros from a quick search on line

the smart ones (read teen guys and older) have figured out that wired access bypasses the kiddie wifi squabbles. but yeah, when it gets congested, everyone knows not to complain..... or else, hammer drops.

 

[xiaofan]

Asus introduction to WiFi 7.
https://www.asus.com/content/wifi7/

Asus short video introduction to GT-BE98

 

[TanRich]

Asus introduction to WiFi 7.
https://www.asus.com/content/wifi7/

Asus short video introduction to GT-BE98

As per Asus tradition, they also launched a GT-BE98 Pro. Difference between non-Pro and Pro edition is combined bandwidth: 25 Gbps vs 30 Gbps.

Other specs like ports selection and design and CPU seem to be the same.

https://rog.asus.com/networking/rog-rapture-gt-be98-model/
https://rog.asus.com/networking/rog-rapture-gt-be98-pro/

I was kind of sad when they revised the ports selection from 3 X 10Gbe and 4 X 1Gbe originally to the current 2 X 10Gbe and 4 X 2.5Gbe. Wanted the original ports selection so I could put away my 10G switch and solely use the GT-BE98 for AiMesh and switching functions.

So in the end went for the RT-BE96U since don't need the GT-BE98/Pro's 4 X 2.5G ports and fourth Wifi band which is very useful for those who want to do wireless backhaul in AiMesh configuration.

Testing it for stability now.

 

[DaveMustaine]

As per Asus tradition, they also launched a GT-BE98 Pro. Difference between non-Pro and Pro edition is combined bandwidth: 25 Gbps vs 30 Gbps.

Other specs like ports selection and design and CPU seem to be the same.

https://rog.asus.com/networking/rog-rapture-gt-be98-model/
https://rog.asus.com/networking/rog-rapture-gt-be98-pro/

I was kind of sad when they revised the ports selection from 3 X 10Gbe and 4 X 1Gbe originally to the current 2 X 10Gbe and 4 X 2.5Gbe. Wanted the original ports selection so I could put away my 10G switch and solely use the GT-BE98 for AiMesh and switching functions.

So in the end went for the RT-BE96U since don't need the GT-BE98/Pro's 4 X 2.5G ports and fourth Wifi band which is very useful for those who want to do wireless backhaul in AiMesh configuration.

Testing it for stability now.

where to get this RT-BE96U & how much?

 

[TanRich]

where to get this RT-BE96U & how much?

Pre-ordered on Asus USA store a few months back.

https://shop.asus.com/us/90ig0890-ma1a1v-rt-be96u.html

I think it's now listed on Amazon but out of stock at the moment.

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-RT-BE96...61599011&sprefix=Asus+rt-be96u,aps,556&sr=8-1.

 

[DaveMustaine]

Pre-ordered on Asus USA store a few months back.

https://shop.asus.com/us/90ig0890-ma1a1v-rt-be96u.html

I think it's now listed on Amazon but out of stock at the moment.

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-RT-BE96U-802-11BE-Performance-Extendable/dp/B0BZFK3BF8/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1EG1ZZRB3CZNG&keywords=asus+rt-be96u+router+wifi+7&qid=1695906418&refinements=p_n_availability:2661601011&rnid=2661599011&sprefix=Asus+rt-be96u,aps,556&sr=8-1.

this is so cool. U are 1 of the very 1st to own & test WiFi 7 routers, though will be utilizing the WiFi 6 bands 1st, but still, very lucky & admirable!

 

[BradenHeat]

As per Asus tradition, they also launched a GT-BE98 Pro. Difference between non-Pro and Pro edition is combined bandwidth: 25 Gbps vs 30 Gbps.

Other specs like ports selection and design and CPU seem to be the same.

https://rog.asus.com/networking/rog-rapture-gt-be98-model/
https://rog.asus.com/networking/rog-rapture-gt-be98-pro/

I was kind of sad when they revised the ports selection from 3 X 10Gbe and 4 X 1Gbe originally to the current 2 X 10Gbe and 4 X 2.5Gbe. Wanted the original ports selection so I could put away my 10G switch and solely use the GT-BE98 for AiMesh and switching functions.

So in the end went for the RT-BE96U since don't need the GT-BE98/Pro's 4 X 2.5G ports and fourth Wifi band which is very useful for those who want to do wireless backhaul in AiMesh configuration.

Testing it for stability now.

hmm interesting,

if landed 3 levels,

put this in the central stair well,

betweens [ ground ] and [ 2nd floor ]

wonder whats the BARE minium number of AP/ asus "extender" required for coverage.


would be even comical, if you placed it in a condo/ hdb and let people use it as guest wifi

 

[alanchia67]

I feel, for HDB dwellers, should start looking at 6GHz deployments (Wifi6E/Wifi7) regardless due to limited 5GHz 160MHz bands. And nearby neighbor on 5Ghz 80/160MHz will limit the actual bandwidth.
Am happy with my stable 6GHz 160MHz backhaul and use 5GHz for client/IoT connection (until mass adoption, that would be back-to square one).

 

[TanRich]

this is so cool. U are 1 of the very 1st to own & test WiFi 7 routers, though will be utilizing the WiFi 6 bands 1st, but still, very lucky & admirable!

Thanks, but um I think like Xiaofan bro had posted before, TP-Link had beaten Asus to the punch by releasing two Archer and two Deco Wifi 7 routers earlier this year. They've been on sale on Amazon for more than half a year I think. Anyone could have gotten one to test here in Sg...

Furthermore, there aren't many good Wifi 7 clients to test with...well there's the Asus ROG Phone 7 series, Oppo Find X6 Pro, OnePlus 11 etc....

https://www.techrankup.com/en/smartphones-with-wifi-7/

On the laptop side, supposedly the new Lenovo Legion Slim 7i and 7 as well as the Acer Swift Edge 16 have Wifi 7 too. But last I checked on their US websites, their specs only listed AX or AXE for Wifi so, probably a bit premature to usher in the new Wifi 7 era...

New Lenovo Legion lineup includes one of the first laptops ...Windows Centralhttps://www.windowscentral.com › Hardware › Laptops

Acer Announces New Swift Edge 16 with AMD Ryzen ...Acerhttps://news.acer.com › acer-announces-new-swift-edg...

 

[TanRich]

hmm interesting,

if landed 3 levels,

put this in the central stair well,

betweens [ ground ] and [ 2nd floor ]

wonder whats the BARE minium number of AP/ asus "extender" required for coverage.


would be even comical, if you placed it in a condo/ hdb and let people use it as guest wifi

The latest generation of ROG routers all come with RangeBoost Plus like the GT-AXE16000 so two units in the central stairwells will probably do the trick for a three/two and a half storey landed house I think.

Yeah could use them as APs but probably overkill for public Wifi in Condo/HDB since they're optimised for gaming with all the RGBs etc.

 

[BradenHeat]

I feel, for HDB dwellers, should start looking at 6GHz deployments (Wifi6E/Wifi7) regardless due to limited 5GHz 160MHz bands. And nearby neighbor on 5Ghz 80/160MHz will limit the actual bandwidth.
Am happy with my stable 6GHz 160MHz backhaul and use 5GHz for client/IoT connection (until mass adoption, that would be back-to square one).

Nah, the cost of wifi 7 is gonna be bad, if wifi 6 chips are still so expensive [ just juding, how 2x2 on my gl-inet is, then likely + profits and other costs ] it will likely go minimum 600 for a semi wifi 7 capable

however, if its the chips or SoC that can be manufactored smaller with less expensive parts to cover for heat dissapation or even with active cooling, that might drive up the sales

agree that wifi7 short range will be ideal for such highly dense urban concrete jungle.

but then theres the end clients which needs to work in tandem else you will see obscene problems

Thanks, but um I think like Xiaofan bro had posted before, TP-Link had beaten Asus to the punch by releasing two Archer and two Deco Wifi 7 routers earlier this year. They've been on sale on Amazon for more than half a year I think. Anyone could have gotten one to test here in Sg...

Furthermore, there aren't many good Wifi 7 clients to test with...well there's the Asus ROG Phone 7 series, Oppo Find X6 Pro, OnePlus 11 etc....

https://www.techrankup.com/en/smartphones-with-wifi-7/

On the laptop side, supposedly the new Lenovo Legion Slim 7i and 7 as well as the Acer Swift Edge 16 have Wifi 7 too. But last I checked on their US websites, their specs only listed AX or AXE for Wifi so, probably a bit premature to usher in the new Wifi 7 era...

New Lenovo Legion lineup includes one of the first laptops ...Windows Centralhttps://www.windowscentral.com › Hardware › Laptops

Acer Announces New Swift Edge 16 with AMD Ryzen ...Acerhttps://news.acer.com › acer-announces-new-swift-edg...

not gonna be feasible in terms of production costs, unless intel is willing to take marginal profit than large one

The latest generation of ROG routers all come with RangeBoost Plus like the GT-AXE16000 so two units in the central stairwells will probably do the trick for a three/two and a half storey landed house I think.

Yeah could use them as APs but probably overkill for public Wifi in Condo/HDB since they're optimised for gaming with all the RGBs etc.

you will be surprise, how much signal it is [ tried in a condo i visited, was at the pool and i could still stream without too much drop or stuttering on 1440p

 

[xiaofan]

Cost of WiFi 6E and 7 router will drop significantly once Chinese government approves 6GHz band for WiFi usage.

Once that is done, we will soon see sub S$200 triband WiFi 7 routers. In fact Xiaomi 7000 router (RMB799) is said to be capable of WiFi 7 but pending 6GHz approval in China. It uses high end Qualcomm chipset (a bit better than Huawei BE96U's BCM4912 CPU). So chipset cost does not seem to be an issue for routers.

Huawei BE3 Pro is even cheaper at RMB399 and RMB499 (2.5G port version). But it is not confirmed whether it has the 6GHz band support or not even though Huawei calls it a WiFi 7 router. It uses Huawei in-house developed chipset (Huawei HiSilicon chip division).

On the client side, Intel will come out WiFi 7 chipset for desktop and laptop next year and the wireless adapter for laptop is expected to be very low cost as well (sub S$50 or even lower from Chinese vendors).

 

[TanRich]

Asus decided to go all out this time to support the Wifi 7 ecosystem with the ROG Phone 7 series as well as their ROG mobos Wifi 7 ready.

https://rog.asus.com/sg/phones/rog-phone-7/spec/

https://www.asus.com/news/lbxn6uincwroglmi/

The latest ROG Maximus and ROG Strix Z790 motherboards will be among the very first ASUS products equipped with WiFi 7. Look to the ROG Maximus Z790 Dark Hero for the very best wireless networking experience. Offering link speeds up to 5.8 Gbps, this motherboard is perfect for users with a multigigabit internet connection or for those who want a high-speed wireless connection to a network-attached storage (NAS) unit.

To help users get the most out of their WiFi 7 connection, ASUS is introducing the WiFi Q-Antenna. It features an all-new design including both circuit optimizations to the PCB and enhanced inner pin connectors, greatly improving signal throughput for the 5 GHz and 6 GHz bands. Its easy one-step design means that users don’t have to do anything more than plug it in to have a great experience. Since it is a directional antenna, we give users convenient tools in the Armoury Crate app to improve signal quality and range by adjusting its position. Direction Finder detects signal strength and identifies the ideal positioning for this antenna in just a few steps, while Fast Check gives users a quick way to check signal strength and ensure that they are getting the best connection.

 

[xiaofan]

From the Asus WiFi 6 router thread.

Hi, received info from my friend that Wi-Fi 6E is loaded in to store today, NEX Challenger will have stock for AXE16000, AXE7800 and ET12 today.

 

[TanRich]

Glowing review of the Asus RT-BE96U out from Dong Ngo for those interested.

https://dongknows.com/asus-rt-be96u-be19000-tri-band-wi-fi-7-router-review/

 

[xiaofan]

Asus announced the ZenWiFi BQ16 Pro and BQ16 quad-band WiFi 7 mesh solution.

https://dongknows.com/asus-zenwifi-unveils-powerful-zenwifi-bq16-pro/

 

[Apparatus]

Asus announced the ZenWiFi BQ16 Pro and BQ16 quad-band WiFi 7 mesh solution.

https://dongknows.com/asus-zenwifi-unveils-powerful-zenwifi-bq16-pro/

Hmmmm........30000Mbps for the Pro version. The Pro version should not be a problem to use here since 6GHz is available.

But TP-LINK DECO BE95 is 33000Mbps ah. More powerful on the 5GHz

 

[jess_sy]

Asus announced the ZenWiFi BQ16 Pro and BQ16 quad-band WiFi 7 mesh solution.

https://dongknows.com/asus-zenwifi-unveils-powerful-zenwifi-bq16-pro/

BQ16 is in the Asus Singapore security update support.

https://www.asus.com/sg/support/FAQ/1051375