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I've a bunch of questions regarding Stocks & Shares.

What is Blue Chips?
Does it means that the stock are able to operate profitably in good times and bad, and how do you identify one?

Penny Stocks?
Penny Stocks is the same stock that we trade on the platform? Or does it operate separately on another platform

Broker.
Why do some people trade using a broker, and not doing it themselves? From my research, some feel that broker are more experienced and are able to help out in exchange for some fees.

Broker; Fees
How does the fee works?
 

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Blue chips - generally that's the term. Usually they are expensive in terms of price per share (look at the STI component stocks for an example), but stability and capability to ride over bad times is solid.

Pennies - usually refers to stocks traded around 20 cents. They can be found on the mainboard and catalist. For daily practical use, there is no difference (I.e to the end user it's in the same platform)

Brokers - usually give you free info, manage your account (somewhat). For fees it's quite standard across all brokerages, unless you're using the custodian service from StanChart.

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Blue chips - high market capitalization stocks, mainly stable stocks.
Pennies - <$1.
Brokers - give "tips", give you advice on IPO, corporate actions, etc.

Fee - pay cost to your dealer, brokerage house, SGX...
 

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I've a bunch of questions regarding Stocks & Shares.

What is Blue Chips?
Does it means that the stock are able to operate profitably in good times and bad, and how do you identify one?

Penny Stocks?
Penny Stocks is the same stock that we trade on the platform? Or does it operate separately on another platform

Broker.
Why do some people trade using a broker, and not doing it themselves? From my research, some feel that broker are more experienced and are able to help out in exchange for some fees.

Broker; Fees
How does the fee works?
Usually blue chips are those that are top 30 in the STI ETF. But blue chip can also fall out of the index, from time to time due to their performance.

Penny stocks are previously meant for those that are 20 cents or less. But ever since SGX implemented the Minimum Share Price(MSP), maybe it could have changed to any stocks that are below $1?

Brokers are people that should inform you of the latest news and alert you of any sudden price fluctuation. They can be appointed Trading Representative(TR) or centralised TR. They can also help you do private placement during IPOs though there is no guarantee that you will get the shares.

If you are concerned about fixed trading costs and generally do not mind the barest minimum platform, you can look at StanChart. But you might need to clear CAR with either:
(a) Minimum of 6 trades.
(b) Related working experience of at least 3 years.
(c) Degree related to finance.

If you can hit the so-called best use of your commission, you will need to buy shares worth around 10k. Or if you do not mind paying slightly more for a better service.

Do you also consider bonds to be part of your upcoming portfolio?

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I've a bunch of questions regarding Stocks & Shares.

What is Blue Chips?
Does it means that the stock are able to operate profitably in good times and bad, and how do you identify one?

Penny Stocks?
Penny Stocks is the same stock that we trade on the platform? Or does it operate separately on another platform

Broker.
Why do some people trade using a broker, and not doing it themselves? From my research, some feel that broker are more experienced and are able to help out in exchange for some fees.

Broker; Fees
How does the fee works?

- bluechip are just stocks that made up the strait time index aka STI

- stocks that are below $1.00 are called pennies stock

- a broker don't trade for u to help u make money for you, and a broker don't key orders without your instructions also. You have to make your own decisions and key in yourself (charged as online) or u can request for your broker to key (charged as offline). They advice you or recommend you stocks, or assist you. But primarily they bear your risk.
 

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You've already had a bunch of good answers to this, from some very smart professionals, but I'll chuck my two cents in as well.

What is Blue Chips?
Does it means that the stock are able to operate profitably in good times and bad, and how do you identify one?

"Blue-chip" is a colloquialism - it refers to a stock that's big, reliable, profitable, usually a dividend-payer; the sort of stock that won't make you rich but it won't make you poor either. Think of stocks like Singtel, the big banks, the Jardines, that sort of thing.

Just because a stock is an STI component, though, doesn't mean it's immediately a blue-chip. Golden Agri and Olam are in the STI, but I don't think anyone would call them blue-chips.

Penny Stocks?
Penny Stocks is the same stock that we trade on the platform? Or does it operate separately on another platform

"Penny stock" is another colloquialism, and it refers to the opposite of blue-chips - shitty little companies that swim around in the dregs of the stock-markets, have incredibly volatile (or just straight-line-downward) share prices, and usually have very low share prices (so they look "cheap" to uneducated punters). They're still listed companies, so they trade on the same platform as non-shitty non-penny stocks, but they couldn't be more different.

These things are a minefield. Don't get involved.

Broker.
Why do some people trade using a broker, and not doing it themselves? From my research, some feel that broker are more experienced and are able to help out in exchange for some fees.
I don't know either. I mean, I get that some people (usually the olds, am I right?) would rather hear a human on a phone line saying "OK, you've bought 10,000 shares of Las Vegas Overleveraged Casino Concern at eleventy-three dollars and sixty-blurg cents a share", but paying twice as much money for someone to help you trade instead of doing it yourself seems like a terrible idea. That's money coming out of your pocket. If you buy shares once a month, that's a few hundred dollars a year that you could spend on a nice holiday or a bottle of primo red or even more shares.

Seriously, don't be an old person. Use an electronic broker. Use Stanchart. They're the cheapest, and they're perfectly good.

Update: I forgot one thing that Sinkie mentioned. Due to a quirk of the Singaporean market, your broker (if that's an actual person) also takes on all the risk that you won't pay for your trade, or won't deliver the shares that you've sold. This is a great deal for the brokerages because they don't have to take on as much credit risk, but it seems like a distinctly shĂŻtty deal for the brokers.

I don't understand why Singaporean retail trading hasn't moved toward banks and brokerages taking the risk on themselves; you'd think a dedicated credit risk department would be better at these sorts of assessments than a dude who's juggling four phones and a Bloomberg terminal.

Broker; Fees
How does the fee works?
Each time you trade - whether it's a buy or a sell - you get charged a brokerage fee on the value of the trade. Typically this is around 0.2% of the market value, with a $18-$20 minimum; some brokers are more expensive (though more expensive brokers generally aren't any better), some are cheaper. Standard Chartered is notably cheaper because they don't put any minimum on the fee, so if you buy a couple thousand dollars worth with Stanchart you'll only pay about four bucks.
 
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Update: I forgot one thing that Sinkie mentioned. Due to a quirk of the Singaporean market, your broker (if that's an actual person) also takes on all the risk that you won't pay for your trade, or won't deliver the shares that you've sold. This is a great deal for the brokerages because they don't have to take on as much credit risk, but it seems like a distinctly shĂŻtty deal for the brokers.

I don't understand why Singaporean retail trading hasn't moved toward banks and brokerages taking the risk on themselves; you'd think a dedicated credit risk department would be better at these sorts of assessments than a dude who's juggling four phones and a Bloomberg terminal..

Actually, outside of the big 3, CIMB and Citibank, other banks are making a move:

2011 - Maybank buys Kim Eng
2011 - Standard Chartered launches online trading
2014 - KGI Securities (a subsidiary of China Development Financial Holding Corp) buys AmFraser
2015 - OSK DMG bought by RHB Bank

The only "independents" that are left is POEMS and Lim&Tan.
 

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I've a bunch of questions regarding Stocks & Shares.

What is Blue Chips?
Does it means that the stock are able to operate profitably in good times and bad, and how do you identify one?

Penny Stocks?
Penny Stocks is the same stock that we trade on the platform? Or does it operate separately on another platform

Broker.
Why do some people trade using a broker, and not doing it themselves? From my research, some feel that broker are more experienced and are able to help out in exchange for some fees.

Broker; Fees
How does the fee works?
blue chip are those good reputable stocks on the market. Good and reputable doesnt make them good investments.

Penny stocks are those with low prices. Some ppl also refer to them as crappy lousy stocks. If you are a beginner, dont touch these.

They exist on the same market on blue chips

to trade, you need to do it through a broker. dont depend on your broker for investment advise. do your own independent research

if you are unsure, dont invest.
 

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Really appreciate everyone's view on this clarification.

As I'm currently 21 this year, what is the recommended amount to invest? Can I do it with less than $1,000 by playing penny stocks? (Fully aware that very minimal of the stocks are actually worth it's value)

The motive behind this investment is not because I want a 'get rich scheme' but my passion in businesses and interest in stock/shares. As I'm someone who regularly reads the world news off the internet rather than news paper I'm interested in different areas like technology, business, current affairs etc..

I'm hearing that from different sources that you need more than just a few hundreds to actually invest in stocks etc.. Is that true to a certain extend or..?

And let just say that I'm fully aware of the risk, and the potential of certain scam like pump and dump etc..
 

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my suggestion is invest that $1000 into a good stock seminar course


alternatively u can do it free by borrowing books from libarary but that will take very long
 

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no minimum amount to start investing, esp with 100 share board lot size and scb. trading however..

then again it is good to read up first before buying. if u can't wait, sti etf is a good place to start
 

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You can start from any amount that you feel comfortable risking. Although it would be better for you to start from STI ETF. You can start with penny stocks, no problem with that, just that the penny scene in SG is pretty bad as of now. Price dropping for no particular reason and due to small market capitalisation, BBs can easily manipulate prices to attract retailers to jump in and then dump the shares, leaving the retailers stuck with low price and low liquidity.
 

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Really appreciate everyone's view on this clarification.

As I'm currently 21 this year, what is the recommended amount to invest? Can I do it with less than $1,000 by playing penny stocks? (Fully aware that very minimal of the stocks are actually worth it's value)

The motive behind this investment is not because I want a 'get rich scheme' but my passion in businesses and interest in stock/shares. As I'm someone who regularly reads the world news off the internet rather than news paper I'm interested in different areas like technology, business, current affairs etc..

I'm hearing that from different sources that you need more than just a few hundreds to actually invest in stocks etc.. Is that true to a certain extend or..?

And let just say that I'm fully aware of the risk, and the potential of certain scam like pump and dump etc..

You can even start investing with less than $100

But ask yourself, what is the expected return and or how much loss you can absorb?

Some came into the market with $1000, expecting to win $100,000 in 5 years time which is very unrealistic

So ask yourself, how much you plan to have in return from this investment and how much you are willing to lose, and then from these 2 answers derived the capital that you should have ba..

Over the ten year period ending February 2014, the STI generated a 64.7% price return without dividends. This meant that before dividends the annualised price return of the Index over the 10 year period was 5.1%.

Using the above percentage per annual, and then count your capital needed ba
 
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It's nice to have such information from you guys. So If I were interested in the US stocks will I have to open an account the US or.. ?
 

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It's nice to have such information from you guys. So If I were interested in the US stocks will I have to open an account the US or.. ?

Either read the IB thread, for US and other market except SG
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/m...rokers-sgd-now-available-funding-4053471.html

or read the SCB thread, for every market
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/s...ading-town-no-minimum-commission-3265890.html

Both brokerage has their advantages and disadvantages but these 2 are probably the best available options. IB is more for bigger sum and SCB for lesser sum of $$.
 

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Either read the IB thread, for US and other market except SG
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/m...rokers-sgd-now-available-funding-4053471.html

or read the SCB thread, for every market
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/s...ading-town-no-minimum-commission-3265890.html

Both brokerage has their advantages and disadvantages but these 2 are probably the best available options. IB is more for bigger sum and SCB for lesser sum of $$.

Wow, thanks for letting me know of Interactive Brokers. The thread is good to know, The website platform looks great.

I wonder why trading platform for Singapore like POEM website looks extremely prone to attacks, the visual of the website certainly does not look that appealing.

Anyway back to the topic, I have visited the Interactive Brokers website found it to be quite detailed as they do describe the cost of it for the commission, every 100 shares - $1 etc..

One thing I don't get is there are Stocks/ETFs/Securities Options/Futures/Futures Options/Bonds/Forex/Mutuals Funds etc.. What are they?
 

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Wow, thanks for letting me know of Interactive Brokers. The thread is good to know, The website platform looks great.

I wonder why trading platform for Singapore like POEM website looks extremely prone to attacks, the visual of the website certainly does not look that appealing.

Anyway back to the topic, I have visited the Interactive Brokers website found it to be quite detailed as they do describe the cost of it for the commission, every 100 shares - $1 etc..

One thing I don't get is there are Stocks/ETFs/Securities Options/Futures/Futures Options/Bonds/Forex/Mutuals Funds etc.. What are they?

Hi there, you should read up quite intensively before commencing on your investment journey.
And oh, anyone who recommends you penny stocks just because you're low on available funds, please just ignore their advices fully. That's practically just throwing your money down the drain.
 

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One thing I don't get is there are Stocks/ETFs/Securities Options/Futures/Futures Options/Bonds/Forex/Mutuals Funds etc.. What are they?

A little bit of googling will help you out here.

It's nice to have such information from you guys. So If I were interested in the US stocks will I have to open an account the US or.. ?
Not necessarily. You can open an account with Stanchart and trade US stocks.

Really appreciate everyone's view on this clarification.

As I'm currently 21 this year, what is the recommended amount to invest? Can I do it with less than $1,000 by playing penny stocks? (Fully aware that very minimal of the stocks are actually worth it's value)

You can do it with less than $1,000 in pretty much anything. The minimum lot size in Singapore has been cut to 100 shares now, so you can buy 100 or 200 shares of a great stock like Singtel or OCBC for a thousand bucks.

Or you can buy an exchange-traded fund like ES3 - which owns all the stocks in the Straits Times index - for $300-ish a lot.

There's no reason any more to play around with shitty penny stocks just because you can't afford a round-lot of a decent stock.

I'm hearing that from different sources that you need more than just a few hundreds to actually invest in stocks etc.. Is that true to a certain extend or..?

It's completely wrong. You can get started with investment in real stocks - not those shitty penny stocks - with just a few hundred dollars. See above.
 
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i suggest you use $50 to treat 10 different forumers here to lunch, they might just be able to give you more investment guidance than your broker! ;)
 
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