Best Fixed deposit right now?

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Hi Guys,

Since cash is now a viable asset class. I am considering allocating some money to SGD fixed deposits. I see CIMB currently has a promotion of 12 Months deposit paying 1.9% interest. Is this the best out there?
 

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Since cash is now a viable asset class.
What’s that supposed to mean?

I see CIMB currently has a promotion of 12 Months deposit paying 1.9% interest. Is this the best out there?
No.

1. This month’s Singapore Savings Bond (SSB) starts at 1.95%/year less the $2 transaction fee. This’d be my choice for a place to park Singapore dollars, assuming I even wanted to do that for some sensible reason(s).

2. SBI Singapore is currently offering 1.95% on a 12 month Singapore dollar fixed deposit, minimum $50,000.

3. ICBC Singapore is offering 1.98% on a 12 month Singapore dollar fixed deposit funded from their e-banking, minimum $20,000. The e-banking requirement just means you have to open a regular account if you don’t have one already, but there are no nasty surprises in that. Well, OK, one nasty surprise: they refuse to serve U.S. persons as customers. That’s nasty and completely unnecessary, particularly since Singapore has signed an intergovernmental agreement with the U.S.
 

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What’s that supposed to mean?

It means cash offers a decent return after a very long time. When markets were tanking last year, I heard experts say equities now have a real competition from cash as cash is now an asset class of its own after Fed raised rates.

I had a look at this chart of S&P 500 earnings v/s price for last 20 years. Before 2014 there was a gap between earnings and the price. But after that as earnings fell, price didn't fall much. So now the valuations are similar to the year 2000 levels, its clear in the chart. Now earnings are expected to fall in the next few quarters due to fading tax cut effects, higher interest rates and also trade war induced global slowdown. So I think cash will perform reasonably well over the next few years.

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It means cash offers a decent return after a very long time. When markets were tanking last year, I heard experts say equities now have a real competition from cash as cash is now an asset class of its own after Fed raised rates.
Is Revhappy trying to time markets again? Are you bored? :D

Long-term investing should be boring. And the fact is that cash hoarding is very, very unlikely to serve you well in a long-term investment objective such as saving for retirement in India. Particularly when you’re picking the wrong currency for those purposes. Not that rupees are terrific, but you’d probably aim for a basket of currencies. CORP, a global bond index fund traded on the London Stocks Exchange, is a reasonable proxy in that way.

....But I don’t get you, Revhappy. How many years do you have until retirement? And what’s your current portfolio allocation split between stocks/stock-likes and bonds/bond-likes? Just keep plugging away in boring fashion and stop trying to guess. You’ve shown absolutely no ability to guess any better than anybody else about market timing — quite the opposite, actually, since brainless textbook investing would have outperformed you — so what makes you think your guesses are suddenly going to improve? Stop guessing, just bet on the world in a low cost and age appropriate way (note: not loading up on uninsured rupee fixed deposits), and cruise.

If you’re particularly risk averse — and I get that — and have Singapore dollars piling up that you don’t know what to do with, you might take a look at simulating CPF LIFE with a private escalating life annuity from a high quality Singaporean insurer. That’d be a reasonable thing to do, to a degree, particularly if you don’t have any longevity insurance in your pipeline. That should do a bit better than fixed deposits, and it should line up “well enough” with a retirement lifestyle in India, and it’ll de-risk the longevity part to allow you to feel more comfortable with the rest of your portfolio (invested in the boring, textbook way). You should also be able to make it joint/survivor (or joint/contingent) so that your spouse keeps receiving payouts for the rest of her retirement life if you should predecease her. (“Joint/contingent” means you can knock down the payout if you wish, to reflect lower cost of living after you pass. Something like a 20% or 25% knockdown might be reasonable.)

You’ll need to consider how India is likely to tax Singapore dollar annuity income, and that can only be a guess. There will be some currency risk (SGD versus INR), which is why it won’t be your only retirement security. But there will be de-risking in terms of combatting most India unique risks, such as a collapse in the rupee or a banking crisis. An offshore life annuity from your former working country could be a pretty nice approach, actually.
 
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Thanks BBCWatcher, I completely sold my US allocation last week and also my IWDA allocation. Now I am only left with VEUD and EIMI and some money in my pension fund in an international equity fund and some in Indian domestic equities. All that adds up to 33% in equities. I expect S&P500 to come down to 2000 which is quite fair value. So in addition to the fixed deposit, I am considering selling SPY 200 PUTs for Dec 2019 that is currently trading around $2, which is 1%. So I get additional 1% return, making it total of 3% for the next 1 year. If S&P 500 really plummets to 2000 levels, I will be glad for those PUTs to be assigned.
 

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Thanks BBCWatcher, I completely sold my US allocation last week and also my IWDA allocation....
Oh FFS, Revhappy. :(

Since you seem irredeemable, now I’m even more enthusiastic about your getting a deferred private life annuity (highly preferably, escalating and joint/survivor or joint/contingent), up to a basic living standard and from a high quality insurer.
 

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Oh FFS, Revhappy. :(

Since you seem irredeemable, now I’m even more enthusiastic about your getting a deferred private life annuity (highly preferably, escalating and joint/survivor or joint/contingent), up to a basic living standard and from a high quality insurer.

Well, revhappy is alpha-seeking. He is trying to beat indices, not just match them.
 

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Thanks BBCWatcher, I completely sold my US allocation last week and also my IWDA allocation.

So either

(1) you enjoy trading more than investing (too much mingling with all those trader/ investment banker types at your bank?); or

(2) you realised that your risk profile and your current portfolio are in conflict and you have increased the asset allocation to cash/cash equivalents in a manner consistent with your risk profile.

I had briefly paused my 'warchest buidling' to splurge on shares October-Jan. But I am back to building up warchest again. So i'll join you for the next big sale!
 

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Well, revhappy is alpha-seeking. He is trying to beat indices, not just match them.
Yes, and apparently he’s failed in that effort over his entire life to date. What’s changed? :D

The long-term outlook for broadly diversified indices is pretty good! But OK, if you want to play table games at the casino (as it were) then it’d be prudent to set a firm, basic/reasonable lifestyle floor below which you can never fall. An escalating, joint/survivor, deferred life annuity from a high quality insurer would match up well. I’m assuming Revhappy doesn’t already have that financial element in his household’s pipeline, and I’m aware he doesn’t have CPF LIFE in the pipeline.
 

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So either

(1) you enjoy trading more than investing (too much mingling with all those trader/ investment banker types at your bank?); or

(2) you realised that your risk profile and your current portfolio are in conflict and you have increased the asset allocation to cash/cash equivalents in a manner consistent with your risk profile.

I had briefly paused my 'warchest buidling' to splurge on shares October-Jan. But I am back to building up warchest again. So i'll join you for the next big sale!

I'm pretty happy with my IWDA + EIMI. Also waiting for the next big sale. Better to keep it in a high-interest warchest.
 

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Well, revhappy is alpha-seeking. He is trying to beat indices, not just match them.

No, I just don't want to lose money. I don't mind missing out on potential gains. I just don't want drawdowns like December.

Fixed income won't beat inflation, but it is okay, my higher savings rate will make up for it.
 
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No, I just don't want to lose money. I don't mind missing out on potential gains. I just don't want drawdowns like December.

Fixed income won't beat inflation, but it is okay, my higher savings rate will make up for it.

So between "wanna lose small" and "wanna win big", I'm guessing you're in the camp of "Wanna lose small". You can't do that if you want high gains.

You're more of the conservative type. Can go into High Yield Stocks or some AAA+ Bonds.
 

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No, I just don't want to lose money. I don't mind missing out on potential gains. I just don't want drawdowns like December.

That means your risk tolerance is low.

You should cut down on your equities.
 

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So either

(1) you enjoy trading more than investing (too much mingling with all those trader/ investment banker types at your bank?); or

(2) you realised that your risk profile and your current portfolio are in conflict and you have increased the asset allocation to cash/cash equivalents in a manner consistent with your risk profile.

I had briefly paused my 'warchest buidling' to splurge on shares October-Jan. But I am back to building up warchest again. So i'll join you for the next big sale!

No, I just don't want to lose money. I don't mind missing out on potential gains. I just don't want drawdowns like December.

Fixed income won't beat inflation, but it is okay, my higher savings rate will make up for it.

That means your risk tolerance is low.

You should cut down on your equities.

Risk tolerance is low. He likes showing off his networth and the numbers supporting the "networth". Security lies in the numbers, so he cannot bear to see it go low.

Must learn to have higher risk tolerance if want to have higher returns. Volatility is a given; ride through it.
 

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Risk tolerance is low. He likes showing off his networth and the numbers supporting the "networth". Security lies in the numbers, so he cannot bear to see it go low.

Must learn to have higher risk tolerance if want to have higher returns. Volatility is a given; ride through it.

he doesn't have the 'safety' of HDB flat so he must always worry about housing, so he is understandably more risk averse.

In comparison, a 30-something year old who inherit fully paid up HDB flat can 'retire' and become "full-time investor."
 

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If the amount deposited qualifies I would use the UOB High Yield for flexibility, pays 1.88% for initial 3 months of the deposited date and no lock in period.


Hi Guys,

Since cash is now a viable asset class. I am considering allocating some money to SGD fixed deposits. I see CIMB currently has a promotion of 12 Months deposit paying 1.9% interest. Is this the best out there?
 

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he doesn't have the 'safety' of HDB flat so he must always worry about housing, so he is understandably more risk averse.

In comparison, a 30-something year old who inherit fully paid up HDB flat can 'retire' and become "full-time investor."

He doesn't need to take on debt to "own" a property, so that's a safety in itself.

Security is about layering.
 
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