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Hi guys would not say I am new to this forum as I have been reading posts by other people and would like to finally step out of my cave and ask if there are any books you investment gurus swear by or have read and felt it was good or books you wish you have read earlier?

I am very interested! thanks in advance!

-aaron
 

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Hi guys would not say I am new to this forum as I have been reading posts by other people and would like to finally step out of my cave and ask if there are any books you investment gurus swear by or have read and felt it was good or books you wish you have read earlier?

I am very interested! thanks in advance!

-aaron


Let me google that for you
 

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Here are some classic investment books.

SA (Samuel Armstrong) Nelson
ABC of Stock Speculation
https://archive.org/details/abcofstockspecul00nelsiala

Edwin Lefevre
Reminiscences of a Stock Operator
https://archive.org/details/JesseLivermoreReminiscencesOfAStockOperator

Richard Wyckoff
Studies of Tape Reading
https://archive.org/details/studiesintaperea00wyckrich
How I Trade and Invest in Stocks and Bonds
https://archive.org/details/cu31924031269552

LW Hamilton
Stock Speculation
https://archive.org/details/stockspeculation00hami

William Peter Hamilton
The Stock Market Barometer
https://archive.org/details/stockmarketbarom00hami

Charles Henry Dow
Scientific Stock Speculation
https://archive.org/details/scientificstocks00dowc

Must have books.
1. Technical analysis of Stock Trend - Edward & Mcgee
or Technical analysis of the Financial Market - John Murphy
2. Trading in the Zone - Mark Douglas
3. Trend Following - Michael Covel
4. Intelligent Investor - Ben Graham
6. Market Wizard - Jack Schwagger
7. How to buy - Justin Mamis
8. When to sell - Justin Mamis
9. Secrets of Profiting in Bull and Bear Market - Stan Weinstein
10. For dummies books - Investing, Dividend Stocks, Swing Trading

Hint - Before you head to Amazon, Google is your friend.
The hard part, how to squeeze all the charts into your brain cell. Those with good memory will have an advantage.

Most of your recommended books are trading books, not investing.

You should post them as classic trading books, not classic investment books.

There is a difference between trading and investing, so proper classification is good for newbies and not confuse them.
 

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thanks peterchan75, thats a good list of books. will check them out.

so many books to read, so little time. :s22:

have subscribed to an online blog that provides the 5 popular highlights of each books. can at least get a snapshot. If the writer make sense, then will read more.

Book Presto - Read in a Minute
 

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Hi all, thank majority of you for your kind and very helpful advice.

@w1rbelw1nd Let me assure you that i did Google! I came up with a few books too many :( and furthermore i do know that some books are certainly 'harder', in a sense, to read and comprehend compared to others. Hence i came here to seek personal advice from the many investors and traders alike for what have actually worked and helped them for a fact.

But still, thank you for the link! i now know about google!

@peterchan75 Thank you for the amazing and comprehensive chest of books you have laid out there! Will slowly look up on them 1 by 1 as i do too have interest on trading!

@alexchia01 Thanks for pointing that out! :D

@makeupconnect sounds good! thank you!
 

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"A Random Walk Down Wall Street", by Burton Malkiel, is my 'how-to-buy-and-hold' bible; "Backstage Wall Street", by Josh Brown, is an insider's guide to the trash the financial industry tries to sell you; and, because it's fun, Roger Lowenstein's LTCM post-mortem "When Genius Failed".
 

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Thank you shiny, heard heaps of great stuff on you and hoping to hear more!
 

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I think history tells us a lot about future too. Been reading some boom and busts book to better understand or see tell tale signs of future trends.

The book presto blog I mentioned had the review on code red. Found it very interesting too. On the macroeconomy of US, japan and how we can profit from a bubble economy. Interesting.

Enjoy. Do recommend us some good books when you have read too.
 

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Hi all, thank majority of you for your kind and very helpful advice.

@w1rbelw1nd Let me assure you that i did Google! I came up with a few books too many :( and furthermore i do know that some books are certainly 'harder', in a sense, to read and comprehend compared to others. Hence i came here to seek personal advice from the many investors and traders alike for what have actually worked and helped them for a fact.

But still, thank you for the link! i now know about google!

@peterchan75 Thank you for the amazing and comprehensive chest of books you have laid out there! Will slowly look up on them 1 by 1 as i do too have interest on trading!

@alexchia01 Thanks for pointing that out! :D

@makeupconnect sounds good! thank you!

Haha alright you are making me feel bad, so let me give some different advice that hopefully you may find sensible and useful

1. Read only one recommended book from each individual rather than read all the books of an individual entire list. I think people are susceptible to being more receptive to certain investment styles when they read up on the same many times. I noticed that some of the suggested lists are all on certain investment style... Reading up on the pros of the same thing may not be helpful for you to have a unbiased understanding.

2. After reading through a book, go to amazon to read the online reviews on the book. Read through those pple who gives a poor review for the book. Some of them actually put up a very good critique on some of the assumptions and flaws on e investment style, and some even includes links on research papers!
 
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Haha alright you are making me feel bad, so let me give some different advice that hopefully you may find sensible and useful

1. Read only one recommended book from each individual rather than read all the books of an individual entire list. I think people are susceptible to being more receptive to certain investment styles when they read up on the same many times. I noticed that some of the suggested lists are all on certain investment style... Reading up on the pros of the same thing may not be helpful for you to have a unbiased understanding.

2. After reading through a book, go to amazon to read the online reviews on the book. Read through those pple who gives a poor review for the book. Some of them actually put up a very good critique on some of the assumptions and flaws on e investment style, and some even includes links on research papers!

amazon reviews? Wow that I did not know! thanks a bunch I will certain delve into that more!

P.s: sorry if I made you feel bad :(
 

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I think history tells us a lot about future too. Been reading some boom and busts book to better understand or see tell tale signs of future trends.

The book presto blog I mentioned had the review on code red. Found it very interesting too. On the macroeconomy of US, japan and how we can profit from a bubble economy. Interesting.

Enjoy. Do recommend us some good books when you have read too.

Will note it down and reference it in the near future thank you:D
 

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i recommend going for seminars


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There are many stock market seminar out there. Which ones really work? Anyone got attend any of them, apply their method and really huat?

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There is nothing wrong with attending a course.

In fact, newbies should take up some courses.

However, there are couple of things you must understand.

Even when you follow all the trainer's calls to the tee, you are still not going to get immediate success. Why?

Here's why.

After attending these courses, the trainers will give you a couple of calls either daily or weekly and a couple of counters to trade. Of all these counters, some will run and some will not.

Many people do not has the resources to take up all the calls, so they will take up some. If they are lucky and chosen the ones that run, they'll makes profit. If they are unlucky and chosen the ones that don't run, then they are going end up in a loss.

Even when you have the resources to take up all the calls, you are still not going to make profit. Because your profits would be used to cover all your losses and you end up with breakeven.

The trainers will says their strategy works because some of their calls did run. You are just not good enough to choose the right counter.

So who wins? The trainer, plus some of the lucky students, who are very happy to give testimonials.

However, nobody stays lucky forever, eventually these lucky students are going to have a bad run and end up losing what they have.

So in the long run, the trainer is the biggest winner.

Having stated this, should you still attend these courses?

YES, you should. Because you need to understand the reasons behind the calls. You need to know the basics and some of the things taught are really essential to trading success. Just don't expect quick success and success by following the trainer's calls.

Understand, why the trainer made certain calls and use his theory to develop your own trading strategy. In time, you'll have a solid strategy that suits your character.

PS: Don't attend courses that teaches you how to use a black-box system because these courses don't teach you anything useful and it makes away your independent.
 
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books are like going to primary school... secondary school... when you come out to work you expose to many others... same like stocks.... only when you start to try then observe and fall do you learn... otherwise it is the same as studying.
 

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There is nothing wrong with attending a course.

In fact, newbies should take up some courses.

However, there are couple of things you must understand.

Even when you follow all the trainer's calls to the tee, you are still not going to get immediate success. Why?

Here's why.

After attending these courses, the trainers will give you a couple of calls either daily or weekly and a couple of counters to trade. Of all these counters, some will run and some will not.

Many people do not has the resources to take up all the calls, so they will take up some. If they are lucky and chosen the ones that run, they'll makes profit. If they are unlucky and chosen the ones that don't run, then they are going end up in a loss.

Even when you have the resources to take up all the calls, you are still not going to make profit. Because your profits would be used to cover all your losses and you end up with breakeven.

The trainers will says their strategy works because some of their calls did run. You are just not good enough to choose the right counter.

So who wins? The trainer, plus some of the lucky students, who are very happy to give testimonials.

However, nobody stays lucky forever, eventually these lucky students are going to have a bad run and end up losing what they have.

So in the long run, the trainer is the biggest winner.

Having stated this, should you still attend these courses?

YES, you should. Because you need to understand the reasons behind the calls. You need to know the basics and some of the things taught are really essential to trading success. Just don't expect quick success and success by following the trainer's calls.

Understand, why the trainer made certain calls and use his theory to develop your own trading strategy. In time, you'll have a solid strategy that suits your character.

PS: Don't attend courses that teaches you how to use a black-box system because these courses don't teach you anything useful and it makes away your independent.
i second this :o
 

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Hi Alex,


so how do you tell whether the trainer is using blackbox, toolbox or grey box for the trading calls? and what sytems should a newbie start with
 

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Hi Alex,


so how do you tell whether the trainer is using blackbox, toolbox or grey box for the trading calls? and what sytems should a newbie start with

Hi, a newbie could start with option books, like Charles cottle, options the hidden reality and Sheldon natenberg's options pricing and volatility, Anthony Saliba's options strategies for directionless markets. These will give you the entire view as well as understanding the Greeks and the forms and features of different options strategies. And these form the back ground knowledge, then you can try to demo and see if you can get an edge from these.

Then if you decide you need a mentor then go for courses which teach adjusting options positions.


Also for options, basic tape reading is a must as, you have to know how spot moves before you decide on a strategy to employ.
 

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Hi, a newbie could start with option books, like Charles cottle, options the hidden reality and Sheldon natenberg's options pricing and volatility, Anthony Saliba's options strategies for directionless markets. These will give you the entire view as well as understanding the Greeks and the forms and features of different options strategies. And these form the back ground knowledge, then you can try to demo and see if you can get an edge from these.

Then if you decide you need a mentor then go for courses which teach adjusting options positions.


Also for options, basic tape reading is a must as, you have to know how spot moves before you decide on a strategy to employ.
hey cookiemonsta88,

is there a difference between systems and tape reading? im confused.
 

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hey cookiemonsta88,

is there a difference between systems and tape reading? im confused.

depends, experienced traders who create systems, know the underlying market environment and how and why to use those systems. so those people know what they are doing, there is nothing wrong to use those systems.

but then some black box scammers use systems to curve fit data then present to you systems which have no edge in forward testing. these you want to avoid.

tape reading is about learning how to read price action and fundamentals, hence learning how to pulse the market, and understand what kind of mode or mood the market is in.

give you an example, a range based system only aims to capitalize on range bound market environment while a trend based system is only capitalizing on trending environments, some systems are hybridized. but experienced discretionary traders will be able to pulse the market properly and decide which system them think suits the current environment.

so by learning and having proper grounding knowledge of how proper trading is done, you can achieve 2 things, firstly, you avoid being scammed of your money, and second, you more often than not will know enough after learning for awhile, to produce a profitable edge for each type of market environment.

so systems is how a specific method of trading goes, whereas tape reading means trying to understand the market, in terms of price action, news, mood, and perhaps fundamental drivers.

and further into your journey to learn about trading, if you do learn a system, you may encounter systems which worked in the past but do not work now, because the edge in the system has eroded and has no more edge, and then when you can learn to readjust because of that, it means you have enough knowledge to become consistently profitable.

so the point would be learning how to craft an edge out from the markets. once you can learn how to learn from an ever changing market environment as well as craft a new edge from it, then you will be consistently profitable, or enough such that you can make a really really good living out of it.

but the learning curve can take as much as 4-5 years or even more if you have no mentor and have to trial and error your way through. some info takes alot of thinking and digging to derive.

if you do want to find a mentor, there probably are many experienced ones around, but the ones you want to find are those who properly explain why they do something, especially with respect to the market environment.

market environment is a topic which i don't see many courses cover but this one is essential if you want to make it as a trader.

give you an example regarding adjustment of trading methods.

last time if you compare 3 to 4 years ago, markets flow was better in forex, because last time not so much HFTs around, price action had a more normal ebb and flow to it, but these days, i recently saw some news where many banks also now use HFTs for their market making. and price action and flow of the markets is more different, market now produces a more bivariated volatility distribution, such that last time you see a very nice ebb and flow impulse pullback, now what you see is market range in a fairly tight range then suddenly explodes, thats because in the range, all the HFTs are holding the range, then when it breaks, they all leapfrog each other causing volatility to either be very small and very noisy or very large and is 1 straightline with lesser pullbacks.

so if this were the case, how would you adjust your trading strategy if last time you were used to buying pullbacks? there are many ways to answer it depending on what you feel comfortable with. you could go lower in timeframes to look at whats happening and trading that (called the race to zero), or you could change your entry method more towards momentum than pullbacks, or you could shift to higher timeframes and trade the pullbacks, as HFTs are basically scalpers, so they don't price in fundamental useful information, last time dealers do that by being willing to hold what other informed traders are holding and not holding for long what others are not willing to hold or are getting rid of, since they are middle man(can see flows), so since HFT not pricing in these info at a shorter timeframe, means higher timeframe may trend alot better.
 
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