Buying my first DSLR camera

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Hi, I have decided to get a DSLR camera recently and have been doing research. I was hoping if I can get some tips and advice on my selected models. I have a budget of about $1000 for a DSLR camera kit. I have narrowed down to the Nikon D5100 kit selling for about 945 at electronics stores. I have also considered the Canon EOS 600d or 650d but I heard that the sensor of the Nikon is better as it is similar to the D7000.

I want my camera to be able to shoot in very low light and the options of the camera must be fully customisable such as things like ISO, shutter speed etc.. Image quality is of course of up most importance.

I hope to hear the comments of owners of the Nikon D5100 or the Canon 600d or 650d. Other DSLR owners are most welcomed.:s12:

Thank you
 

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I would say that you might as well get Sony, as they make the sensors for Nikon. Pentax is also very good.

If I were looking for a DSLR, I'd avoid Canon and Nikon because they are bad value for money. Others have many more features for even cheaper price.

Shooting in very low light means either high ISO (where a full frame will be better) or using a tripod and long exposure (where all cameras will be the same). And using a large aperture lens helps too.
 

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I would say that you might as well get Sony, as they make the sensors for Nikon. Pentax is also very good.

If I were looking for a DSLR, I'd avoid Canon and Nikon because they are bad value for money. Others have many more features for even cheaper price.

Shooting in very low light means either high ISO (where a full frame will be better) or using a tripod and long exposure (where all cameras will be the same). And using a large aperture lens helps too.

sorry TS for hijacking your thread, but i am looking to purchase my first DSLR too.

i am looking at a second hand D40 which has approximately 20000 actuations. do you think i should still go for it, assuming it is selling at $300? or should i consider other options?
 

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Hi, I have decided to get a DSLR camera recently and have been doing research. I was hoping if I can get some tips and advice on my selected models. I have a budget of about $1000 for a DSLR camera kit. I have narrowed down to the Nikon D5100 kit selling for about 945 at electronics stores. I have also considered the Canon EOS 600d or 650d but I heard that the sensor of the Nikon is better as it is similar to the D7000.

I want my camera to be able to shoot in very low light and the options of the camera must be fully customisable such as things like ISO, shutter speed etc.. Image quality is of course of up most importance.

I hope to hear the comments of owners of the Nikon D5100 or the Canon 600d or 650d. Other DSLR owners are most welcomed.:s12:

Thank you

Fundamentally there is not much need to compare between the 2 camps of DSLR cameras because it's always a catchup game for technologies. Today canon came up better, tomorrow Nikon launch a new flagship with newer technologies.

Between entry level DSLR of the 2 camps, there is not much of a fundamental differences. If you actually play along with photographers, you will quickly realise their focus on equipments are not entirely the DSLR body. More are on lens and other accompany accessories such as strobes, filters, softboxes and as such.

DSLR body while expensive, are largely depreciative component of photography. Lens do stay for a long time even across several bodies. That's why it's often when a photographer stick with a certain camp, they will continue to do so since changing all the lens will be a hefty cost. Adapters exist but are not the ideal choice for good quality reproduction. Adapters also often removed certain features from the lens that are designed for its own brand of bodies.

Important when choosing a camera body is first your budget. Remember to do good photography is not just having the best lens and body. You also need a good tripod, a good external flash, probably some other expensive items like ND, Polariser, GND etc. You may also want to invest in more lens of specialize nature such as a fish eye lens for creative framing etc.

Having good software such as DxO, Adobe Lightroom, Adobe PS are also part of your cost. An adequate dry box to put your stuffs inside etc.

I often come across people looking for low light capability camera and so forth. If you are really into photography, you will quickly realise that's not important. The most important is knowing your gears limitation and how to tame the environment and how to adapt to it. What kind of shots are possible, what are the alternatives. Good photographer search for good light, when good light are not available, they either wait or come back another day. If possible at all, create the necessary light to create the mood. Post processing is also very important in the process of creating great photographs. In the history of photography, there is so many powerful photographs created using cameras and lens that are not considered state of the art even when compared to the entry level DSLR we get from the market today. Do you think when you print out a print that grainy photograph of great composition from a 35mm compact camera will lose out to one that contain 40MP of black screen from the flagship of any company today ? Understand what you are trying to capture and how to do it right.

There are just so many people nowadays asking for low light capability of a camera without understanding why instead of attaching a f/1.4 lens that they should be using flash lights instead. Using flash properly is a difficult skill set. The skill set to balance light between the ambient and the artificial light from the strobe is an art. Understanding what flash gel to use, where to light up, how long the exposure of the flash, the sync speed, how to control the light balance between the flash and the balance, how ISO and shutter speed plays in the part of the control etc.

Image quality is not the most important. Composition and skill set to control your gear and its accessories are far more important. You get good quality when you know how to control them and how to setup lights.

If it's not convincing for you, I'm a Nikon user, first D300, then D3 for 2yrs, and then move on to D3s for like 3yrs. Today when I take photographs, my most common ISO used is L1.0 equiv to ISO100. My common max is ISO800 occasionally bumping to ISO2500. My most used lens is the 24-70 f/2.8. But often I shoot at f/4 and even to f/8 depending on what my scenes are. My SB800/SB900 flashes are mandatory items for any important shots, unless it's a scenery, even during daytime.

My point is having the best camera doesn't mean you capture at f/1.2 even if you have such a lens. It's not that because the ISO is cleaner at 3200 means you ought to be doing that at night. You need to understand your scene and what you are trying to achieve. Use a tripod when you need to. F/1.4 lens and great ISO sensors are not your ticket to good photography. It's the eye behind the viewfinder.

Having said that. Today Nikon and Canon are still 2 of the best camps available in the photography industry is because of the arsenal of good lens and compatibility with tons of good electronic accessories that they possess. People who don't need these accessories and don't understand how to use them won't be able to appreciate the value of these 2 camps.

Fundamentally the only kind of controls one require to create fantastic photographs are essentially the following. Control of aperture, shutter speed, focus, choice of Aperture/Shutter/Manual adjustment, a good viewfinder, control of flash power, coverage, exposure and flash power compensation, ISO. Any other things are superficial and good to have. If you can't master the control of the above, giving you a high ISO body wouldn't make you a great photographer or create good photographs. Most important above all the above is a good eye for good composition. A medium format Hasselblad camera given to someone with no art sense will not produce photographs that will stun the world.

So please re-align what you really want, go down to the shop, feel the DSLR, get something within your budget and think more about what you want to do with it.
 
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hey guys!

I started picking up digital photography in 2007, so it's like 6 years of experience now (not a lot), and I started off with a D40 too. (brother won it off some contest) Speaking from previous experience, I grew tired of the D40 in less than 3 months. Quickly bought a D5000 on impulse, and then grew bored again before purchasing the D300 in another 6 months or so.

All I can say is it would be good to test out the D40 either via rental shop or via a friend's. Have a good feel of if photography is really suited for you. I have had friends buying the D5100 and not using it after 2 months (reason was it's too heavy). If you really had fun and would want something more, purchase either a DSLR that's ranged D7100 and above... like the D600/D800.

This way you'll only make the purchase once instead of constantly upgrading if you really loved photography... or waste the few hundred bucks and finding out you didn't like it.
 

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Hi, I have decided to get a DSLR camera recently and have been doing research. I was hoping if I can get some tips and advice on my selected models. I have a budget of about $1000 for a DSLR camera kit. I have narrowed down to the Nikon D5100 kit selling for about 945 at electronics stores. I have also considered the Canon EOS 600d or 650d but I heard that the sensor of the Nikon is better as it is similar to the D7000.

I want my camera to be able to shoot in very low light and the options of the camera must be fully customisable such as things like ISO, shutter speed etc.. Image quality is of course of up most importance.

I hope to hear the comments of owners of the Nikon D5100 or the Canon 600d or 650d. Other DSLR owners are most welcomed.:s12:

Thank you

NIKON and CANON is really a matter of preference. I don't think there's really a difference, unless you're shooting for money, and a professional...

From what I understand NIKON tends to be the preference for professional photographers, mostly with how much more custom settings you can tweak with.

CANON's X00 series 600D, 650D, 700D etc is geared towards, the newbie photographer. But seriously, most of us will be happy with an entry level DSLR like the 650D or 700D from CANON.

The housing is really the base for the lens. The most expensive components are all about the lenses. The caveat is that buying a $10k lens isn't going to make you a better photographer. Like buying a ferrari doesn't make you a schumacher.

Get something within your budget, and if you get serious, then get serious about ponying up the cash for them lenses.
 

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To TS, try reading the stickies I've written. They can give some valuable insights to choosing a DSLR.

A side note is that, whilst yes, Sony USED to manufacture sensors for Nikon, the specifications came from Nikon.

Sony is a lifestyle product manufacturer, but for their SLR system, there's no concrete road-map on where it's leading and how it's going to go far. Comparing with Nikon, Canon, I think that's something consumers should be wary.

Just my 2c.
 

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sorry TS for hijacking your thread, but i am looking to purchase my first DSLR too.

i am looking at a second hand D40 which has approximately 20000 actuations. do you think i should still go for it, assuming it is selling at $300? or should i consider other options?
20,000 actuations aren't that high but it does signify the owner does use it very often. Might want to do a general servicing.

D40/x is an old model and can only AF with lenses that have the Silent Wave Motor (SWM) module. It's max ISO should be only ISO800 and should not even come close to the D3200/D5100 and D7200 sensor performance in low lighting. :)
 

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Having good software such as DxO, Adobe Lightroom, Adobe PS are also part of your cost. An adequate dry box to put your stuffs inside etc.

I would make a correction to change dry box to dry cabinet.

I often come across people looking for low light capability camera and so forth. If you are really into photography, you will quickly realise that's not important. The most important is knowing your gears limitation and how to tame the environment and how to adapt to it. What kind of shots are possible, what are the alternatives. Good photographer search for good light, when good light are not available, they either wait or come back another day. If possible at all, create the necessary light to create the mood. Post processing is also very important in the process of creating great photographs. In the history of photography, there is so many powerful photographs created using cameras and lens that are not considered state of the art even when compared to the entry level DSLR we get from the market today. Do you think when you print out a print that grainy photograph of great composition from a 35mm compact camera will lose out to one that contain 40MP of black screen from the flagship of any company today ? Understand what you are trying to capture and how to do it right.
It's not entirely correct to say 'tame the environment' so suit the equipment. You adequately should also have the necessary equipment for adapting.

Low lighting is important to me (my course of photography works requires it) and it signifies that noise control is there when I need to push the ISO way high.

I think your juncture is that people thinks 'low light capability' can replace a tripod rather than 'taming the environment'.


There are just so many people nowadays asking for low light capability of a camera without understanding why instead of attaching a f/1.4 lens that they should be using flash lights instead. Using flash properly is a difficult skill set. The skill set to balance light between the ambient and the artificial light from the strobe is an art. Understanding what flash gel to use, where to light up, how long the exposure of the flash, the sync speed, how to control the light balance between the flash and the balance, how ISO and shutter speed plays in the part of the control etc.
Flash is not answer to everything, there are things that even attaching an AIS 50 f/1.0 cannot achieve either.

What we're discussing now far exceeds what a hobbyist is trying to understand and get into. Lighting and flash are on a totally different level for a beginner to even get into.


Image quality is not the most important. Composition and skill set to control your gear and its accessories are far more important. You get good quality when you know how to control them and how to setup lights.

If it's not convincing for you, I'm a Nikon user, first D300, then D3 for 2yrs, and then move on to D3s for like 3yrs. Today when I take photographs, my most common ISO used is L1.0 equiv to ISO100. My common max is ISO800 occasionally bumping to ISO2500. My most used lens is the 24-70 f/2.8. But often I shoot at f/4 and even to f/8 depending on what my scenes are. My SB800/SB900 flashes are mandatory items for any important shots, unless it's a scenery, even during daytime.
Image quality is not the most important but it is relatively important.

Post processing brings out the flaws in many ways. Using low ISO doesn't equate a good photographer, this part here I think I can't agree with you. You're assuming TS will be shooting as your style in your manner with the same equipment.


My point is having the best camera doesn't mean you capture at f/1.2 even if you have such a lens. It's not that because the ISO is cleaner at 3200 means you ought to be doing that at night. You need to understand your scene and what you are trying to achieve. Use a tripod when you need to. F/1.4 lens and great ISO sensors are not your ticket to good photography. It's the eye behind the viewfinder.
We've gone slightly off way here, TS is not looking for a best camera, but listing some of his requirements, we just have to take his requirements with a pinch of salt given his budget and advise accordingly.

Looking at D600/D800(E)/D4 is definitely not even in his consideration to worry about this.
 

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I would make a correction to change dry box to dry cabinet.

Stand corrected.

It's not entirely correct to say 'tame the environment' so suit the equipment. You adequately should also have the necessary equipment for adapting.

Definitely. I would agree it more on adapting.

Low lighting is important to me (my course of photography works requires it) and it signifies that noise control is there when I need to push the ISO way high. I think your juncture is that people thinks 'low light capability' can replace a tripod rather than 'taming the environment'.

Definitely when it comes to a choice of between 2 set of equipment, it is a no brainer to choose for the one with less noise introduced if all other aspects do not need to be considered. However, we both know that lower noise normally comes with a much elevated price tag for products launched within the same time frame.

I would incline to believe you are an experience photographer to choose creating light and choosing light as your first criteria to a scene as oppose to push up the noise unless there are no other ways. This is normally the approach I have even when coming to sport events that I covered previously in situation where light is not favourable.

However what I do observe is normally for newbies participating in photography, it's not their focus to introduce flash or adequate light into the scene and choose to just go for fast lens or sensors with good noise control as priority, which in my opinion is the wrong approach to choosing one's gear. Also they ought to be using tripod instead of standing with a f/1.4 lens and D800 in their hand when doing shots. That's what I'm trying to point out.

Flash is not answer to everything, there are things that even attaching an AIS 50 f/1.0 cannot achieve either.

You are right, flash is definitely not the answer to everything. Sometimes it's just a matter of putting your camera on the tripod, high speed continuos snap with post stacking or so forth, or just call it a day.

What we're discussing now far exceeds what a hobbyist is trying to understand and get into. Lighting and flash are on a totally different level for a beginner to even get into.

While what we are discussing here is somewhat of deeper understanding into photography, but I don't agree that it's something that exceed a hobbyist. On the contrary, rather than having themselves been mislead into thinking getter better bodies with more advance sensors and faster lens are the way to go, I think it's important to point out that flash and controlling the light plays much more important role in producing good photographs than just endlessly searching for better and better gears.

Image quality is not the most important but it is relatively important.

Yes it is relatively important, except if you start seeing people introducing film grains back into the digital image, you start to wonder what is more important ? Composition or IQ ?

Post processing brings out the flaws in many ways. Using low ISO doesn't equate a good photographer, this part here I think I can't agree with you. You're assuming TS will be shooting as your style in your manner with the same equipment.

The fact I pointed out using low ISO is not a measurement of whether it's good photography or not. It's about knowing what scenes require what settings. Why high ISO is not the first direction to consider when one may have alternatives. As much as I don't know what is the style of TS, I thin it's the same for everyone answering to his post. I'm trying to point out the approach to getting better quality with other means worthy of TS to consider before stepping into the journey for faster lens and better sensors.

We've gone slightly off way here, TS is not looking for a best camera, but listing some of his requirements, we just have to take his requirements with a pinch of salt given his budget and advise accordingly.

Looking at D600/D800(E)/D4 is definitely not even in his consideration to worry about this.

I'm advising accordingly as far as I did. I didn't recommend him for good lens or good bodies. The fact that I pointed out that despite I owned one of the flagship of Nikon and still operating with relatively low settings that are potentially achievable by most entry level DSLR is to enlighten TS that having good lens and good bodies are good to have, but there are other means of achieving good output if these other avenues are considered.
 

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whoa, don't think we need to go so in depth, dude just wants to buy a DSLR, heck I'm looking for one too and i'm a total newb.

At the moment I'm a little torn between the CANON 70D and the 700D. But I'm leaning on the 700D mostly because a 70D would be something I wouldn't appreciate...yet...or maybe never.

Which is also why I'm in the market for a used camera, maybe...but i've heard bad stories..so maybe just splurge for a new one. B

Besides that, I'm a little amused with what people want for used items on these forums...
 

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I would incline to believe you are an experience photographer to choose creating light and choosing light as your first criteria to a scene as oppose to push up the noise unless there are no other ways. This is normally the approach I have even when coming to sport events that I covered previously in situation where light is not favourable.
Yes, lighting is my top concern in every situation, it builds my image(s), so it's very critical in every manner imaginable in my photos. I'm just a photographer with ample experience over due time so I do know what I need and how beginners tend to look at purchasing a DSLR and assuming how it can bring 'god like' images to them.



However what I do observe is normally for newbies participating in photography, it's not their focus to introduce flash or adequate light into the scene and choose to just go for fast lens or sensors with good noise control as priority, which in my opinion is the wrong approach to choosing one's gear. Also they ought to be using tripod instead of standing with a f/1.4 lens and D800 in their hand when doing shots. That's what I'm trying to point out.
Got you on this, I can see where you're coming from. It would be slightly tough, as a speedlight is nowhere in the near realms of cost-affording for any new beginners. We all know a SB800/9x0 would be more than half the cost of a D7100 now. It would not be easy to persuade a beginner to plunge for a speedlight now.

Personally, on my own methods, I would probably let one experience the limitations on their own equipment to decide how to move forward further. Either they move on, or drop it totally. I do see your point though.



While what we are discussing here is somewhat of deeper understanding into photography, but I don't agree that it's something that exceed a hobbyist. On the contrary, rather than having themselves been mislead into thinking getter better bodies with more advance sensors and faster lens are the way to go, I think it's important to point out that flash and controlling the light plays much more important role in producing good photographs than just endlessly searching for better and better gears.
Thus my point precisely, lighting is on a different level totally, it's something so important that I don't think one can infuse so easily to a beginner, which is my point that we can't really change this mindset for many people who wants a DSLR. Most buy to avoid using tripod (low light) and better image quality (lenses) with faster AF (speed) to get their shots (moments).

Gear upgrading is unavoidable, but speedlights are really out for any starters right now in this context. I appreciate your enthusiasm in this area, believe me, I know how important light is.



Yes it is relatively important, except if you start seeing people introducing film grains back into the digital image, you start to wonder what is more important ? Composition or IQ ?
Actually, I do push the ISO that high to get some grains.



The fact I pointed out using low ISO is not a measurement of whether it's good photography or not. It's about knowing what scenes require what settings. Why high ISO is not the first direction to consider when one may have alternatives. As much as I don't know what is the style of TS, I thin it's the same for everyone answering to his post. I'm trying to point out the approach to getting better quality with other means worthy of TS to consider before stepping into the journey for faster lens and better sensors.
Yes, agree with you on this. Perhaps I misread the intentions earlier. However, coming from a beginner POV, higher ISO does somewhat give the reliance to go without a tripod at times (eg: travelling) and able to shoot at f/8 at night. It does save the hassle of lugging a tripod on trips (especially family trips).

Additionally... f/2.8 lenses are not something a beginner will concern himself with, once he finds out the pricing... 24-70 f/2.8 is 3 times the price of the camera set he is looking at...


I'm advising accordingly as far as I did. I didn't recommend him for good lens or good bodies. The fact that I pointed out that despite I owned one of the flagship of Nikon and still operating with relatively low settings that are potentially achievable by most entry level DSLR is to enlighten TS that having good lens and good bodies are good to have, but there are other means of achieving good output if these other avenues are considered.
Yep, totally agree with you on this. Thanks for pointing this out. This is particularly a good advice for all interested starters.
 

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whoa, don't think we need to go so in depth, dude just wants to buy a DSLR, heck I'm looking for one too and i'm a total newb.

At the moment I'm a little torn between the CANON 70D and the 700D. But I'm leaning on the 700D mostly because a 70D would be something I wouldn't appreciate...yet...or maybe never.

Which is also why I'm in the market for a used camera, maybe...but i've heard bad stories..so maybe just splurge for a new one. B

Besides that, I'm a little amused with what people want for used items on these forums...

No harm to read and absorb the points you feel relevant, in due time you will understand what we're discussing about anyway. :)


My advice for you is, get the 700D. One should go for lenses over a body. Read the stickies, I've mentioned this over and over many times... gear upgrading comes often, especially on the camera body.

A good lens however, you will keep longer and not change. Lenses often costs more than all the camera bodies you ever own.

Anyway, I got a friend so deep that he upgraded to the 700D 2 weeks ago (from 550D). He now calls his 550D - a toy camera. I've tested the 700D, the controls are slightly better than the much earlier models. It's pretty affordable and the features are what I'll consider better than an entry level camera (1000D, 1100D etc).

I enjoy zooming in and out on the swivel LCD of the 700D, quite fun =:p

I'm a Nikon user by the way (and no, I won't change).
 

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Buying DSLR

Woah... ok so many experienced photographers here.

So I have pretty much intending to get the Nikon D5200 kit as the D5100 is no longer selling and also in a package which comes with additional items such as
1. Tripod
2. Dry Cabinet (I believe this is important for the lifespan and to keep the camera dry and cool)
3. Additional 3rd party lens which I think is 70-300 mm
4. 8GB Memory Card Class 10 and 32GB Normal Class
5. Nikon Bag
6. Cleaning items such as screen protector, micro-fibre cloth etc..
7. Wireless remote control to control flash

A total starter kit
The total package price is about $1399 and that is as far as I can go.

Since after getting this package, I would not be able to afford getting any additional lenses for sometime and the two lenses provided would have to be my starting point into DSLR photography and also for me to experiment on different kind of shots.

Since I am upgrading from an old Samsung Point and Shoot ST60 digital camera, I believe would be a huge step-up.

Lastly, most of my shots but not limited to these would be for night landscape, portraits, fun shots, event photography which would have dimmed light and I also want to try out car or fast-action photography.

I did went down to Funan to take a look and I also tried out both the Canon 650D and the Nikon D5200 but I find the pictures taken by the Nikon are nicer and also the Nikon seems to have a lot more options available for customization as oppose to the Canon. Ergonomics wise I think both are rather similar in feel but again I prefer the Nikon more.
 
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Woah... ok so many experienced photographers here.

So I have pretty much intending to get the Nikon D5200 kit as the D5100 is no longer selling and also in a package which comes with additional items such as
1. Tripod
2. Dry Cabinet (I believe this is important for the lifespan and to keep the camera dry and cool)
3. Additional 3rd party lens which I think is 70-300 mm
4. 8GB Memory Card Class 10 and 32GB Normal Class
5. Nikon Bag
6. Cleaning items such as screen protector, micro-fibre cloth etc..
7. Wireless remote control to control flash

A total starter kit
The total package price is about $1399 and that is as far as I can go.

Since after getting this package, I would not be able to afford getting any additional lenses for sometime and the two lenses provided would have to be my starting point into DSLR photography and also for me to experiment on different kind of shots.

Since I am upgrading from an old Samsung Point and Shoot ST60 digital camera, I believe would be a huge step-up.

Lastly, most of my shots but not limited to these would be for night landscape, portraits, fun shots, event photography which would have dimmed light and I also want to try out car or fast-action photography.

I did went down to Funan to take a look and I also tried out both the Canon 650D and the Nikon D5200 but I find the pictures taken by the Nikon are nicer and also the Nikon seems to have a lot more options available for customization as oppose to the Canon. Ergonomics wise I think both are rather similar in feel but again I prefer the Nikon more.

7. Wireless Remote - this is more for remotely firing off the camera to take a shot (eg: Fireworks, landscapes - long exposure), not really for firing flash.

Do take note as what daivdktw did mention. 50% of the time you're spending is behind the computer processing the images to bring out the best in them. Post processing is part of digital photography.

You are getting a bit ambitious to want to try to capture everything. The DSLR can do what you want, however there are some limitations to its capabilities. Of which, some can be overcome with techniques, some with understanding of equipment.

Take some time to deliberate where you interest in photography lies and move towards it, building your arsenal as it goes.

Do note starter kit tripods are mostly flimsy and not very long lasting. Becareful when using them. An upgrade is often in the pipeline not long after getting a camera.

Feel the cameras, see which you prefer after feeling it and decide. Courts is selling the set at $1259, you might be ripped off if you're asked to pay $1399.

You can try TK Foto for piece of mind to make your purchase. They're located at 2nd level Funan.
 

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Sorry TS, to hijack your thread.

Just my 1c opinion. I was doing research for DSLR, starting 2 yrs ago (from the D90 till the current D5200 & EOS700D). Was trying to find a compact camera that can do the work of a DSLR, and was finally gave up.

I just bought a Sony Alpha-65 1 month ago, yes it is not a DSLR, but I am fortunately that I bought that.

Reason being:
1) my intention now is to take continuous shots (because of my baby "rapid movement", and i do mean that 3-4 fps is not sufficient to capture that. I would need at least 7fps to have a decent shot.

2) the main difference between SLT and SLR is that I am viewing through the viewfinder what is the image that I am capturing. (I seem to have some "cock-eye" problem using DSLR, especially when I use the viewfinder (the image taken seem to be "shifted" toward the left everytime i use the viewfinder, which I tried it using both Canon and Nikon, and I guarantee I do not have shaky hands)

You could have have some hands-on experience, comparing which could fit you comfortably.

Perhaps if the shop "allow", you might want to consider to bring your own memory card to the shop and take some pics with both brand and view from your computer which is better visually? (do not know if anyone done so or not)

Lastly, I do agree with some of the people that the freebies given might not be the best or even a decent ones, and most of the time, you might even have to fork out extra $$ to buy a decent one.

Looking at your list, you have quite some freebies (tripod, dry cabinet, 70-300 3rd party lens, 2 memory cards, cleaning kit, wireless remote), my question will be "are there required NOW" ???

I have a recent quote from MS color ($1150) for D5200 with 18-105mm lens, 8GB card and Nikon bag, which I think the lens should be a decent one, unless you looking for one that can do all such as the Tamron or Sigma (18-250 or 18-270mm)

I would suggest that you better ask for that deal, what would be the brand and model for the Tripod, dry cabinet, 70-300mm len, wireless remote? Think that is the most costly items among all your freebies.

If what is given is not worth the $1399, maybe you can source it separately to have a decent one.
 

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hey guys!

I started picking up digital photography in 2007, so it's like 6 years of experience now (not a lot), and I started off with a D40 too. (brother won it off some contest) Speaking from previous experience, I grew tired of the D40 in less than 3 months. Quickly bought a D5000 on impulse, and then grew bored again before purchasing the D300 in another 6 months or so.

All I can say is it would be good to test out the D40 either via rental shop or via a friend's. Have a good feel of if photography is really suited for you. I have had friends buying the D5100 and not using it after 2 months (reason was it's too heavy). If you really had fun and would want something more, purchase either a DSLR that's ranged D7100 and above... like the D600/D800.

This way you'll only make the purchase once instead of constantly upgrading if you really loved photography... or waste the few hundred bucks and finding out you didn't like it.

couldn't agree more with this bro opinion. i'm currently using m4/3 camera and was planning on upgrading to FF skipping crop sensor since. my ideal would be a m4/3 + a rangefinder + a FF camera :s34:
 
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