Calling For Sociology!

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Hi there. I would just like to know more about SOCIOLOGY. Seems interesting.
Do tell me more stuff. I would like to develop myself in the area of why people do certain actions eg. condemn others/outcast others in the field of social class/stratification

eg. 1)diff btw NUS/NTU

2) job prospects

3) I've nvr heard of full time sociologists doing research.
Mostly social workers/work in biz sector

PSST! Have a good weekend!:s12::s12:
 

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1)might be of interest:
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=1551089

2) according to NTU: "Professionally, they are qualified for a broad range of careers: social research, policy and other government work, education, work in civil society organizations and in creative industries, as well as more business-oriented work such as marketing, advertising and public relations."

http://portal.hss.ntu.edu.sg/sociology/career.html

You can probably ask more here:
http://socioblogsg.wordpress.com/

3) besides academia, social research in singapore is mostly done by the government.
off the top of my mind, MCYS and NPS would be some examples of govt bodies which employ people for social research:
http://app.mcys.gov.sg/web/corp_career.asp
http://www.nps.gov.sg/Career.html
 

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calling me dog has given a substantial amt of helpful info. a few of my friends are in nus and ntu soci. nus soci seems more competitive. my friend got ccc for a levels but now first class honours GPA in NTU, and a number others i know also very good results in ntu soci. but NUS soci is more competitive, harder to score. prob becuz ntu is not so popular, student quality is not as good. it was set up just a few years b, unlike NUS which has been there for ages.

soci mostly either academia or government work. Things like MCYS, Civil service college like to recruit arts grad. and maybe a few top students going into business aspects like marketing.
 

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I personally think NUS soci is stronger than NTU's that coming from a friend who is an ntu soci major and had experience in nus due to local exchange
 

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if in doubt, go for NUS soci instead of NTU soci lar.
there are soci students who regret choosing NTU but i've yet to meet anyone who regrets choosing NUS.
 

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Seems like there's nothing good abt NTU Socio ay? :( Haha...
Anyone wna refine tt?

Wow. Dont worry I wont call u dog, i call u master lol. u resourceful leh! can share yr prev sch...
I guess u've just finished NS?

Kudos to all....do feel free to add in more about Socio pls. It's good to read more.
And I know this is rly gna sound stupid but I seriously cant discern btw Psych / Socio. except tt Socio is on society whereas Psych on individual.

Get ready for another long week ahead! Sian....
 

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psych is the study of minds usually of an individual, soci is the study of society and how it behaves, groups together etc using scientific methods of research
 

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psych is the study of minds usually of an individual, soci is the study of society and how it behaves, groups together etc using scientific methods of research

Yeah. Does tht mean that socio is a more general form of psych as in it encompasses psych?
I was wondering why won't they allow Bach Socio to be admitted into MPsych. I understand that it can be done the other way.
 

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Yeah. Does tht mean that socio is a more general form of psych as in it encompasses psych?
I was wondering why won't they allow Bach Socio to be admitted into MPsych. I understand that it can be done the other way.

no it is not....
 

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no it is not....

I am lost. You mean that socio is not more general? Or that can't enter MSocio with BPsych?

i think you are confusing social psychology with sociology.

Haha, I think I am lost.... Actually isn't social psych sociology? Haha...
Btw u're studying or working now?

Everyone, any feedback on NUS/NTU Socio? I mean which sch focuses more on theory/research/on which topics.... Thanks.
 

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Hi again, I guess I shldn't just leave things hanging. Anybody studying sociology that has any comments about

1) what you need to do well in sociology? eg.. someone who likes essays/reading...
2) what you intend to specialize in?
2) why did u choose this course/sch
4) what type of person u're? eg. outgoing/sociable/reserved/thinker/do-er/introvert/extrovert

Thanks for being bombarded with questions. If no replies, then let's all say good-bye to this thread? Haha. TGIF tml! Haha! :)
 

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Hi again, I guess I shldn't just leave things hanging. Anybody studying sociology that has any comments about

1) what you need to do well in sociology? eg.. someone who likes essays/reading...
2) what you intend to specialize in?
2) why did u choose this course/sch
4) what type of person u're? eg. outgoing/sociable/reserved/thinker/do-er/introvert/extrovert

Thanks for being bombarded with questions. If no replies, then let's all say good-bye to this thread? Haha. TGIF tml! Haha! :)

hi stealth im not a soci major but i haf to say that this forum wouldnt have many soci majors coming in here so i think it will be quite hard for you to get an ans from one.

i do have a lot of friends in both ntu/nus soci. i think the number one thing if you do any humanities/social science save for economics [which is an anomaly with all that maths] is that you gotta to love reading. this is rather general but still very applicable. you gotta love to read through heavily worded notes and text. and of course, the number one ingredient is you gotta love what you study and you gotta be hardworking :)

my friend in soci mostly, sadly speaking, did not choose soci because they were interested. it was like their 2nd/3rd choice. most wanna get into competitive courses like biz or medicine or accty but failed to do so. one gurl wanted to get into med but got sucky grades and ended up in soci. but she's doing fantastic now [gpa over 4.5, first class consistently, research assistant, offered 2nd major]. so i say, life works wonders, and one door closed is another door open. u never know what u can expect and one might just end up doing well/enjoying it.

ur last question is rather wierd cuz i don't see any individual personalities have anything to do with anything other to settle your nagging curiosity :) i would leave this for soci majors to ans
 

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I am lost. You mean that socio is not more general? Or that can't enter MSocio with BPsych?



Haha, I think I am lost.... Actually isn't social psych sociology? Haha...
Btw u're studying or working now?

Everyone, any feedback on NUS/NTU Socio? I mean which sch focuses more on theory/research/on which topics.... Thanks.

go do a wikipedia search on what is sociology :s22: as for doing well, you need to be able to read, write and argue
 

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psych is the study of minds usually of an individual, soci is the study of society and how it behaves, groups together etc using scientific methods of research

social psychology is about small groups of people
sociology is about large groups of people in societies or sub-cultures

in psychology there is an emphasis on experiments
in sociology observations and suveys are more commonly used

psychologists studies all human behaviour - normal and abnormal
clincial psychologists can specialise in helping people with mental disorders
 

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I am a Sociology student and happen to come across this post. I don't know if this post is still useful to you, seeing that the enquiry was posted a year ago. I suppose this information should be useful for aspiring Sociology students who stumble upon this post (which is likely seeing that this is one of the rare threads discussing Sociology major).

Indeed, when students consider social science education, most will consider NUS first. Not only it has a presumably 'better arts and social sciences education', NUS is also not located at the far end of Singapore, surrounded by thick foliage and wild animals. It is true that those who get rejected from NUS subsequently place their hopes on NTU. Well at least quite a handful of them.

I am now offering information without bias for aspiring sociology students to make an informed decision

In Singapore, there is little bias between NTU and NUS Sociology graduates. If the individual intends to go overseas for postgraduate education (or probably find a job) then yes, there is a preference for NUS over NTU HSS students due to the ranking. It is like SMU as compared to NTU or NUS for business. In Singapore, graduates from all three schools are equally sought after. Overseas, SMU students (the bulk of them, not the cream of the crop) have higher difficulty.

But what are the odds of majority of the Sociology graduates venturing beyond the shores of Singapore to work/further studies?

There are differences in NUS and NTU (sociology) thus allowing both graudates to be desired in the job market. Should there be no distinction between the two school in terms of course ciriculum, nature and structure, there would be even greater competition between Sociology graduates from both schools. In addition, the diverging focus of both schools affects the decision of post graduate studies should a sociology graduate wish to further his/her studies in Singapore.

Let me elaborate further.

The first distinction that I assume everybody knows is that NUS is a three years course while NTU is 4 years with direct honours. The first year in NUS is general studies of modules from 3 majors while NTU plunges straight in.

NUS focuses on qualitative research while NTU concentrates on quantitative research (well it is Nanyang Technological University for a reason). As such, for post graduate studies (Masters), NUS accepts students who specialises in qualitative while NTU welcomes those with quantitative research abilities. This means that for instance, should a sociology student, specialising in qualitative research, graduates from NTU(you can choose to specialise in either one or both) and wish to further his/her studies, that individual has to apply to NUS and vice versa.

As a side note, quantitative research is more practical in the real world but majority of the sociology students choose humanities education for a reason - we general suck at math. Thats why, subscription in qualitative research is always higher than quatitative.

This distinction of qualitative and quantitative preference also affects the makeup of professors. NTU give preference to professors who have quantitative background and for those professors, your readings will tend to be more statistical/ not as deep (that is briefly speaking( as compared to professors specialising in qualitative. However, that being said, the majority of the professors in NTU still possess qualitative background. There is only a small handful of professors who are otherwise.
Both Universities house sociology professors of 'legendary'status, which means to say that they are well known in the world of sociology. Of the many, NUS has Chua Beng Huat while NTU has Geoffery Benjamin (though he is leaving to be a guest professor at some other University, having taught at NTU for a number of years).

It is unfair to say that NTU sociology education is less rigorous than NUS due to reasons like NTU accepts 'rejects'from NUS or their professors are lousy/mark more leniently etc. Grading is not standardized across the board, it is the same in NUS/NTU. Professors have their own marking criteria and requirements. A student who scored A in a module may score B- in another due to the different writing styles/content/style of analysis required of another professor. There are modules where students can score easily. This modules are probably taught by professors who just entered the university and are not accustomed to the marking scheme in the university, or they hold steadfast in the belief that Sociology, as a academic subject, is subjective, open to debate and thus there is no right or wrong answer. So long as the student writes something that makes sense, that student's answer would be accepted. There are also cases where the professors do not use the bell curve as it is against the spirit of academia (of course, over time the University will ensure that these professors stick to the grading requirement).

To claim that a school's grading standard is more inferior to it's counterpart through statements like 'I know a few friends who...'or 'my friend says...' is fallacious. (this is not to offend anybody). This is because, very simply, that these handful friends do not represent the population. One might be taking an easier module than the other etc. Besides, grading depends on the batch's strength and intellectual capabilities. My juniors are having a very tough time fighting it out as the batches are high in intellectual capability and very, very competitive.

And I wish to shed light on the Universities' selection process, though I have to say that this selection process was a couple of years back.
- NUS selects ppl into their Arts and Social Science faculty through their combined A level grades, which means to say that your H2 subjects (my time it was still called A level subjects) has to score well to boost the University score.
-NTU focuses on General Paper grades (of course, H2 results should not be THAT shoddy)

But given the recent raised standards, I think this selection process is somewhat revamped though the essense stays the same.

Lastly, Sociology Professors, according to my observations, falls into several categories:
1)Micro: Detail oriented and emphasizes memory work

2) Macro: Emphasizes on extensive, in depth knowledge

3)Macro/Abstract: Liberal. Focuses on over-arching concepts that requires analysis and thinking but does not expect details. (Professors from this module generally teach the 'difficult'modules that are undersubscribed)

4) Structured/ Straightforward: Require little analysis.

5)General: Likable prof to the majority of the population due to clear explanations and not so abstract concepts

6)Abstract: Anal like hell and you generally have no idea what the heck he/she wants


I like options (2) and (3) while I really hate (1) and (6). For aspiring Sociology students, you will soon have your favourite/hated categories of professors in time to come.

As a concluding statement: some may argue that whatever I am saying is wrong cause his/her friend had like well... all Cs including Cs in GP and was still accepted. THere are exceptions you noe. They probably occupy the last few vacancies or sth.
 
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just to add on to phppsmss post which i largely agree with.
i'm a final year student at NUS. We had a change of department head a few months back, and the department will be shifting its focus on to quantitative analysis, one of the reasons as mentioned is that majority sociology majors probably will not continue in academia and quantitative skills are much more marketable..
the department is also currently slightly understaffed due to departures.. and i'm personally not impressed at all with their replacements.

personally, i really like the NTU course syllabus, there are some interesting topics such as risk which are not accessible to undergrads here in NUS, but i guess i can't really say anything much about the department.
 

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Glad to see a fellow Sociology student, a final year from NUS no less. Having posts from Sociology students from both schools should provide a more balanced view.

Side note: Risk and Crisis is my favourite Sociology mod to date. Unfortunately, it is considered one of the more 'difficult'ones (it falls into option (3) ) and probably due to its severe undersubsciption (my tutorial only had three people, me included. Not complaining, love small tutorials) or what nots (who knows what the department is thinking) the module has been removed this year. Hope it will pop back next year.

It is pretty sad. Students tend to shun modules that seem diffcult, forgoing modules like politics, religion, science etc for seemingly less abstract modules like... family etc instead. Not that I am against the latter. Just that the low strength of undersuscribed modules aggravates the situation by scaring off quite a number of potential subscribers.
 

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hi, im interested to know what the local universities teach in studies at a societal level. I'm a student from the UOL program, took sociology during my first year.

So you guys go deep into the theories(Marx,weber, durkheim) or more into the research components(Interviews, Surveys,etc)?
 
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