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For me, ERS level / over limit of MA & SA.
Wife FRS and below MA/SA.
Still accumulating.

You and your wife have reached FRS in SA and BHS in MA and CPF annual limit? Otherwise, a dumb thing to top up :s13:
 

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I find it hard to fathom that the cpf and pap will still exist for another 50 years. :o


Even if PAP loses power, CPF is here to stay. Just look at the leading opposition parties manifestos regarding CPF. None of them even suggests abolishing the CPF.
 

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Even if PAP loses power, CPF is here to stay. Just look at the leading opposition parties manifestos regarding CPF. None of them even suggests abolishing the CPF.

Unlikely he will be around in 50 years time :s13:
 

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BBC, refunding of CPF money used for housing at 54 is a hefty amount. Most sane people will not that or put it this way, between choosing topping up child Special Account vs repaying housing CPF money, I will pick the latter. At least those money can still be redeploy to buy another BTO or 5 years old resale flat at 54 (lease renewal)
 

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both my wife and my CPF are maxed FRS and we are planning to give 100K each to our children into their SA account.

In the event we are no longer around and they anyhow wasted all our money ... the SA would come in handy for them when they are old ...
 

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Yes, if you have the financial means to do so, it is indeed a very decent choice to make

I have friends in their 20s and 30s who topped up their young kids account to the prevailing ceiling, some even did it for their 2-3 kids. Of course, for these people, they are ultra high earners/wealthy, and that few hundred k is nothing to them, that's why they don't feel anything by locking it in for the next few decades. Just imagine the compounding effect decades later, purely on this amount. :s22:
 

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You and your wife have reached FRS in SA and BHS in MA and CPF annual limit? Otherwise, a dumb thing to top up :s13:
It's a little confusing, but it appears that's exactly Merg91's situation (the adult couple has already maxed out their CPF tax relief opportunities for voluntary top ups)....

....But the tax relief isn't necessarily everything. It's still reasonable to value bonus interest (5%) running for the next 50+ years higher than regular interest (4%) running for the next decade or two, plus tax relief. "Not crazy."

55 is minimum, not maximum for newborn. Possibly 70 or more if child's SA does reach FRS by then :s13:
I used the phrase "reasonable assumptions," and that's surely correct. It's most unlikely that these lucky children will have any challenges at all reaching their FRSes. This is a 55 year lock for a Singaporean newborn, with "reasonable assumptions."

BBC, refunding of CPF money used for housing at 54 is a hefty amount. Most sane people will not that or put it this way, between choosing topping up child Special Account vs repaying housing CPF money, I will pick the latter. At least those money can still be redeploy to buy another BTO or 5 years old resale flat at 54 (lease renewal)
You might pick the latter -- that's up to you -- but wealthy/high income people who are rational most probably wouldn't, unless they're specifically short of OA dollars for purposes of RA funding/"SA shielding."

OA is really, really not important to genuinely wealthy people. It's paying 2.5% interest, which isn't insulting, but it just doesn't compare to the 5% a child enjoys with the first $60,000 of MA and SA top ups.

Wealthy people don't rely on OA as OA, a point I think many people -- especially those who aren't wealthy -- don't grasp. Wealthy people don't struggle to muster 20% or 25% down payments on homes they want to buy and don't struggle to service the low interest rate mortgages they can easily get. They simply don't need OA as OA, so they don't need to repay themselves into a restricted account that "only" earns 2.5% interest. That's not anywhere near their game, at least not if they're playing it well and per their substantial means.

OA is really a "great middle class" feature of CPF.

Yes, if you have the financial means to do so, it is indeed a very decent choice to make

I have friends in their 20s and 30s who topped up their young kids account to the prevailing ceiling, some even did it for their 2-3 kids. Of course, for these people, they are ultra high earners/wealthy, and that few hundred k is nothing to them, that's why they don't feel anything by locking it in for the next few decades. Just imagine the compounding effect decades later, purely on this amount. :s22:
I'm not a huge fan of this idea even when wealthy, but it's definitely not crazy. I can understand it.

Yes, the near ironclad asset protection aspects of CPF are appealing.

both my wife and my CPF are maxed FRS and we are planning to give 100K each to our children into their SA account.

In the event we are no longer around and they anyhow wasted all our money ... the SA would come in handy for them when they are old ...
Yes, and obviously you fully expect them to grow "old," with high probability. Wealthy people can make multiple, big bets on their children (and even grandchildren, nieces, nephews, etc.) that span the short, medium, and long term.(*) And that's certainly not crazy.

For what it's worth, I have particular, effectively "locked" assets arrayed across the following minimum payout/withdrawal ages:

* 55
* 59.5
* 62
* 65

Plus some other "bets" that I locked for 20+ years. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that! I'm being well and reliably compensated for all these locks, and at the same time I fortunately have no liquidity concerns whatsoever.

(*) A famous, real world example is that of Joseph P. Kennedy, the original Kennedy patriarch who died in 1969. He was U.S. President John F. Kennedy's father. He created and structured the original Kennedy Family trusts in some very long-term financial planning. Various living members of the Kennedy Family are comfortable for life based largely on Joseph P. Kennedy's careful planning.
 
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It's a little confusing, but it appears that's exactly Merg91's situation (the adult couple has already maxed out their CPF tax relief opportunities for voluntary top ups)....

That's not what he said earlier -

For me, ERS level / over limit of MA & SA.
Wife FRS and below MA/SA.
Still accumulating.

It that a little confusing?
 

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It's not a 70 year lock. It's a maximum 55 year lock for a Singaporean newborn, under reasonable assumptions, specifically that these dollars will add to other, future dollars flowing into the SA.

55 is minimum, not maximum for newborn. Possibly 70 or more if child's SA does reach FRS by then :s13:

I used the phrase "reasonable assumptions," and that's surely correct. It's most unlikely that these lucky children will have any challenges at all reaching their FRSes. This is a 55 year lock for a Singaporean newborn, with "reasonable assumptions."

You might pick the latter -- that's up to you

Still it less idiotic to say 55 is the minimum lock-in period rather than maximum with reasonable assumptions :s13:

Why need reasonable assumptions :s22:

Reasonable to assume goal post shift from 55 to 65 in 50 years' time etc ....... etc?
 

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No intention of transfer hard cash to kid cpf yet. How about wait till 55, the FRS maxed and go to my RA, the excess in my OA/SA then do all transferred to top up kids cpf MA?
 

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Hi Guys,

What do you thinnk about putting an amount to child CPF SA account?

Lets share your opinion.

Assuming the amount is not needed for anytime.

I dun mind really. I top up for my kids. Not to enrich them but at least something to fall back on if they really cannot make it in life and won’t be need to pick cardboards when they are 50s assuming they live until then cause surely we will be dead by then or bedridden in bed without the means to help them anyway.
 

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I give you credits for reading them.

CPF is a robust and caring system, implemented by the 1G leaders. There's nothing wrong with it, why need to abolish it.

It's LIFE that needs tweaking.

Even if PAP loses power, CPF is here to stay. Just look at the leading opposition parties manifestos regarding CPF. None of them even suggests abolishing the CPF.
 

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For me, ERS level / over limit of MA & SA.
Wife FRS and below MA/SA.
Still accumulating.

Wife part settled.
Just to squeeze out more $juice$ from the govt for my family.

Maximised her OA to SA for this year.
We are still working.
Of course CPF is still piling up but 2.5% in OA is not a good incentive.

What a way to communicate :s22:

Put cash in kid's SA and 'transfer' wife's OA to SA :s22:

I rather put cash into wife SA instead of kid's.
 

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I dun mind really. I top up for my kids. Not to enrich them but at least something to fall back on if they really cannot make it in life and won’t be need to pick cardboards when they are 50s assuming they live until then cause surely we will be dead by then or bedridden in bed without the means to help them anyway.

It seems to have some flaws in your mind :s22:

When you are gone and if they can't make it in life early to their 50s, they still need to wait to 65 or beyond to touch their CPF?

When you are bedridden (and need money) and they can't make it in life, your money stuck in their CPF and you become burden to them?
 

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If you believe you will max out FRS / ERS soon & the power of 5% x 30 years is different from 5% x 10 years.......

No intention of transfer hard cash to kid cpf yet. How about wait till 55, the FRS maxed and go to my RA, the excess in my OA/SA then do all transferred to top up kids cpf MA?
 
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