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All these you can find an opposing critic.

See below. Everything got its advocate and critics.


Dr Saladino’s evolving recommendations is viewed by many not as hypocrisy but as scientific inquiry and personalized optimization. Early in his career he championed a strict carnivore ketogenic diet yet transparently reported muscle cramps, heart palpitations, sleep disturbance, and low testosterone. Those symptoms prompted him to refine his protocol toward an animal‑based approach that includes easily digested carbohydrates such as fruit and honey. That adjustment demonstrates intellectual honesty and acknowledges patient heterogeneity rather than rigid dogma.

Simplifying complex studies for a general audience can invite criticism, yet Saladino’s selective use of data highlights under‑examined findings that support his lipid energy model. He frequently revisits foundational research overlooked by current guidelines and challenges long‑standing assumptions in nutrition science.

Regarding his high LDL levels,  Saladino situates himself within the Lean Mass Hyper‑Responder phenotype and argues that, in the absence of insulin resistance, inflammation, and with favorable triglyceride and HDL profiles, elevated LDL may not carry the same risk as it does in metabolically unhealthy individuals. He advocates advanced imaging, such as CT angiography, to assess plaque burden directly and to guide cardiovascular risk management, rather than reflexively prescribing statins to lower LDL.

Patient responses to a carnivore diet vary widely. Adverse events reported by some followers, including colleagues like Dr Shawn Baker, may reflect individual predispositions, prior health status, or differences in strictness of adherence.

Finally, his redefinition of “animal‑based” to encompass honey, fruit, and even pickles reflects a transition from rigid carnivory toward a more inclusive ancestral framework. His emphasis remains on nutrient density, minimizing processed foods and seed oils, and prioritizing bioavailability to optimize health outcomes.
 

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Dr Saladino’s evolving recommendations is viewed by many not as hypocrisy but as scientific inquiry and personalized optimization. Early in his career he championed a strict carnivore ketogenic diet yet transparently reported muscle cramps, heart palpitations, sleep disturbance, and low testosterone. Those symptoms prompted him to refine his protocol toward an animal‑based approach that includes easily digested carbohydrates such as fruit and honey. That adjustment demonstrates intellectual honesty and acknowledges patient heterogeneity rather than rigid dogma.

Simplifying complex studies for a general audience can invite criticism, yet Saladino’s selective use of data highlights under‑examined findings that support his lipid energy model. He frequently revisits foundational research overlooked by current guidelines and challenges long‑standing assumptions in nutrition science.

Regarding his high LDL levels,  Saladino situates himself within the Lean Mass Hyper‑Responder phenotype and argues that, in the absence of insulin resistance, inflammation, and with favorable triglyceride and HDL profiles, elevated LDL may not carry the same risk as it does in metabolically unhealthy individuals. He advocates advanced imaging, such as CT angiography, to assess plaque burden directly and to guide cardiovascular risk management, rather than reflexively prescribing statins to lower LDL.

Patient responses to a carnivore diet vary widely. Adverse events reported by some followers, including colleagues like Dr Shawn Baker, may reflect individual predispositions, prior health status, or differences in strictness of adherence.

Finally, his redefinition of “animal‑based” to encompass honey, fruit, and even pickles reflects a transition from rigid carnivory toward a more inclusive ancestral framework. His emphasis remains on nutrient density, minimizing processed foods and seed oils, and prioritizing bioavailability to optimize health outcomes.
Eventually he will evolve his approach to become "everything is moderation" is ok.

Especially as he ages beyond 70.
 

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WTH, I scan through all 4 pages and ABSOLUTELY NOBDOY TALKS ABOUT IMPORTANCE OF GREEN VEGETABLES.

I don't care KETO, HIGHFAT, LOWFAT, WHATFAT diet. No green veggies as foundation, go to heaven early. Even keto diet will also go heaven early.

If you can survive heart attack, you won't survive cancer (and cataracts as bonus point). END OF STORY.
 

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WTH, I scan through all 4 pages and ABSOLUTELY NOBDOY TALKS ABOUT IMPORTANCE OF GREEN VEGETABLES.

I don't care KETO, HIGHFAT, LOWFAT, WHATFAT diet. No green veggies as foundation, go to heaven early. Even keto diet will also go heaven early.

If you can survive heart attack, you won't survive cancer (and cataracts as bonus point). END OF STORY.
Nonsense.
 

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WTH, I scan through all 4 pages and ABSOLUTELY NOBDOY TALKS ABOUT IMPORTANCE OF GREEN VEGETABLES.

I don't care KETO, HIGHFAT, LOWFAT, WHATFAT diet. No green veggies as foundation, go to heaven early. Even keto diet will also go heaven early.

If you can survive heart attack, you won't survive cancer (and cataracts as bonus point). END OF STORY.
I will add arthritis also.
 

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Nonsense!
This is how people are don't you know bro? If they stongly believe and practice something everything different is heresy

It's like religion. Then the science is used to justify it also.

Rogze position is that all fruit and vegetables are carbs. And all carbs are bad.
 

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must watch what u eat
Why?

I think it is more that if you know that if you eat something you will have a problem then you watch to avoid accidentally eating it.

Healthy people should just continue eating what they are used to eating.
 

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Why?

I think it is more that if you know that if you eat something you will have a problem then you watch to avoid accidentally eating it.

Healthy people should just continue eating what they are used to eating.
song song stay healthy
 

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song song stay healthy
It's how things work.

Most people feel healthy and think they are healthy. And by all means are healthy to themselves.

Just eat what they want lah. Be happy.

If they are more health conscious they read about what they eat and drink and make choices. But some don't bother to know

Hence it is only the sick people or the ones with interest in nutrition science who bother about choosing specific things to eat from a purely health conscious perspective.

Wait till they get sick (if they get sick cos some don't) then look into what they should or should not be eating and drinking.

Some people though want everyone else to eat what they eat in the name of how it will make everyone healthier.
 

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It's how things work.

Most people feel healthy and think they are healthy. And by all means are healthy to themselves.

Just eat what they want lah. Be happy.

If they are more health conscious they read about what they eat and drink and make choices. But some don't bother to know

Hence it is only the sick people or the ones with interest in nutrition science who bother about choosing specific things to eat from a purely health conscious perspective.

Wait till they get sick (if they get sick cos some don't) then look into what they should or should not be eating and drinking.

Some people though want everyone else to eat what they eat in the name of how it will make everyone healthier.
indeed thats very true

must always take care of yourself
 

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indeed thats very true

must always take care of yourself
Point is people just want to live they lives THEY want. Not what we want them to.
The only time perhaps we can influence this is when they are children and in school.
Which is why it is so important to have parents who are level headed responsible loving and nurturing. Same with the school system.
Also what the school teach these easily influenced young minds is what becomes the norm in societies.

If want to change how people eat maybe teach in early in schools. Also give free meals.
 

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Point is people just want to live they lives THEY want. Not what we want them to.
The only time perhaps we can influence this is when they are children and in school.
Which is why it is so important to have parents who are level headed responsible loving and nurturing. Same with the school system.
Also what the school teach these easily influenced young minds is what becomes the norm in societies.

If want to change how people eat maybe teach in early in schools. Also give free meals.
thats true.. live the life u want
 

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This is how people are don't you know bro? If they stongly believe and practice something everything different is heresy

It's like religion. Then the science is used to justify it also.

Rogze position is that all fruit and vegetables are carbs. And all carbs are bad.
If one is plucking things out of thin air without basis and just trying to form sentences, it is rubbish.

It's irony that for someone like you who is not in good health to talk about being open minded.

You are what you know. Your body and health is a reflection of what you know.
 

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This is how people are don't you know bro? If they stongly believe and practice something everything different is heresy

It's like religion. Then the science is used to justify it also.

Rogze position is that all fruit and vegetables are carbs. And all carbs are bad.
I think he is quietly eating fruits and vegetables.

I remember him posting that.

I don't believe its no fruits and no vegetables.
 

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Including fruits and vegetables in an LCHF or Keto-style diet is a lesser concern compared to the real issue which is the excessive intake of PUFAs and omega-6, not carbohydrates or sugars.

 

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Including fruits and vegetables in an LCHF or Keto-style diet is a lesser concern compared to the real issue which is the excessive intake of PUFAs and omega-6, not carbohydrates or sugars.


The simple reason why there is an imbalance because people are eating an unbalanced diet.

If you add fish and nuts, your omega 3 intake is higher.
 
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