Completed bmt?

[SotongLove]

need recourse as long as nvr complete BMT

becuz I was from PES C BMT, my platoon got those people who came to recourse after either they up-pes from E or downpes to C
but recourse only 4 wk at tekong, after that go back to their original unit

Absolutely the case. There are some recoursees who OOT-ed like 1 week into their initial BMT who are PTE. The condition for getting PTE rank has changed.

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[derrickgoh]

Absolutely the case. There are some recoursees who OOT-ed like 1 week into their initial BMT who are PTE. The condition for getting PTE rank has changed.

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If you OOC and there is a new batch starting soon, I guess they can just make u a lobo for a while then immediately join the next batch. That way you remain as REC till your BMT is over.

But in cases where the next batch is some time to go, it would be a waste of time as far as SAF is concerned, to let you lobo all the way. So they post you to some unit first, usually as a non-combat vocation since you are technically not even trained to fire a rifle. Most OOC people I know were either mechanics or store men.

And the irony is we finished our mechanic or store man training even before we finished BMT i.e. we became full fledged mechanics and store men before we POP. In our case we went for re-course only when we were 6 months away from ORD. Still thought could escape. LOL

And being unit, as opposed to BMTC, the estab is such that there are no recruits. Lowest rank is PTE. And it would be lame to make you a Local PTE, so just make you PTE lah. Then when its time to recourse you get sent back to BMTC.

Dunno about now when the ranks can be easily removed, but during my time the ranks were sewn on so we kept our rank insignias. And we were addressed as trainees not recruits. I still remember during our last book out, we all agreed to bring in our respective units' berets during book in.

Was quite hilarious on the last day seeing an entire company of "recruits" who had ranks ranging from PFC to 3SG with different colour berets. Some even had RSAF and RSN berets. I still remember our neighbouring coy just had a new intake of recruits, hair not even shaved yet.

All were staring at us with big eyes, probably wondering why these "recruits" so special, got rank and beret some more.

 

[Calander]

If you OOC and there is a new batch starting soon, I guess they can just make u a lobo for a while then immediately join the next batch. That way you remain as REC till your BMT is over.

But in cases where the next batch is some time to go, it would be a waste of time as far as SAF is concerned, to let you lobo all the way. So they post you to some unit first, usually as a non-combat vocation since you are technically not even trained to fire a rifle. Most OOC people I know were either mechanics or store men.

And the irony is we finished our mechanic or store man training even before we finished BMT i.e. we became full fledged mechanics and store men before we POP. In our case we went for re-course only when we were 6 months away from ORD. Still thought could escape. LOL

And being unit, as opposed to BMTC, the estab is such that there are no recruits. Lowest rank is PTE. And it would be lame to make you a Local PTE, so just make you PTE lah. Then when its time to recourse you get sent back to BMTC.

Dunno about now when the ranks can be easily removed, but during my time the ranks were sewn on so we kept our rank insignias. And we were addressed as trainees not recruits. I still remember during our last book out, we all agreed to bring in our respective units' berets during book in.

Was quite hilarious on the last day seeing an entire company of "recruits" who had ranks ranging from PFC to 3SG with different colour berets. Some even had RSAF and RSN berets. I still remember our neighbouring coy just had a new intake of recruits, hair not even shaved yet.

All were staring at us with big eyes, probably wondering why these "recruits" so special, got rank and beret some more.

not forgetting to mention actual recruits actually asked why they have "formation badge" and "vocation collar badge".

 

[derrickgoh]

not forgetting to mention actual recruits actually asked why they have "formation badge" and "vocation collar badge".

My time no formation badge. Lol. Im guessing now that everything is velcro they will ask u to remove all except for arms badge.

 

[Kyoji83]

My time also do not have 'Singapura' tag above pocket.

When I first saw soldier have it, I thought they represent Singapore to go overseas & SAF save cost on Flag & 'Singapura' shoulder tag.

When I first saw REC wearing pixel uniform & carrying a big bag, I thought they are special or elite force like Commando cause they are the only one who carry big bag during my era.

My time no formation badge. Lol. Im guessing now that everything is velcro they will ask u to remove all except for arms badge.

 

[Takagi]

Referring to takagi not u. U already mentioned. That's why it's a bit strange.

limpei ord as cpl

i got batch mates kena promoted to 3sg during ict

 

[Takagi]

is there any misunderstanding in my earlier correspondence?

with u saying that "they up-pes from E" and "downpes to C". do u mean that these group of people were previously temp or perm PES?

my statement all along is based on perm PES. If a perm PES E for example can be upgraded to BMT-eligible, could u share under what condition can a "lower permanent PES" be upgraded?

of cuz is temp pes

pes e recruit completed pes e bmt but when kena up pes, BMT recourse here they come

for pes a/b ooc before pop and then downpes after that, BMT recourse here they come

for that is for pes C resource

 

[Calander]

of cuz is temp pes

pes e recruit completed pes e bmt but when kena up pes, BMT recourse here they come

for pes a/b ooc before pop and then downpes after that, BMT recourse here they come

for that is for pes C resource

i am aware of under what situation is a BMT recourse required.

the question is so therefore, these group of NSF went for recourse with the rank of PTE ?

because prior to obtaining a temp PES means they have OOT from the training which means there cant be a chance in saying that they have completed BMT

unless u are saying that NSF can undergo BMT with a temp PES.

 

[Kyoji83]

After you have completed your vocational course like Administration Support Assistant Course, your vocation as rifleman trainee (BMT Trainee) will change & base on GOM, your CO can promote anyone in his unit up to 3SG.

So soldier still can hold the rank of 3SG & below without completing BMT & ORD.

i am aware of under what situation is a BMT recourse required.

the question is so therefore, these group of NSF went for recourse with the rank of PTE ?

because prior to obtaining a temp PES means they have OOT from the training which means there cant be a chance in saying that they have completed BMT

unless u are saying that NSF can undergo BMT with a temp PES.

 

[Takagi]

i am aware of under what situation is a BMT recourse required.

the question is so therefore, these group of NSF went for recourse with the rank of PTE ?

because prior to obtaining a temp PES means they have OOT from the training which means there cant be a chance in saying that they have completed BMT

unless u are saying that NSF can undergo BMT with a temp PES.

lol some of them alrdy lcp and cpl and they are gonna ORD soon

but cmon once u come back to recourse, your rank is useless

but of cuz the sgt will give a bit of face la


erm temp PES also can complete BMT, i enlisted with temp pes and ord with temp pes
only when in ict, get perm pes

 

[reddevil0728]

i am aware of under what situation is a BMT recourse required.

the question is so therefore, these group of NSF went for recourse with the rank of PTE ?

because prior to obtaining a temp PES means they have OOT from the training which means there cant be a chance in saying that they have completed BMT

unless u are saying that NSF can undergo BMT with a temp PES.

There are ppl who enlist as Temp PES C/E and they went through BMT/"BMT" no?

 

[Calander]

There are ppl who enlist as Temp PES C/E and they went through BMT/"BMT" no?

so is it a yes or no? just answer straight to your own question. thks.

 

[reddevil0728]

so is it a yes or no? just answer straight to your own question. thks.

Lol, nvm, I can't help you with that.

 

[Calander]

Lol, nvm, I can't help you with that.

ur help isn't required in any way by the way.

 

[reddevil0728]

ur help isn't required in any way by the way.

I think that's what ppl will usually say when they need help.

 

[Calander]

I think that's what ppl will usually say when they need help.

sad to say, if only towards someone in particular.

 

[reddevil0728]

sad to say, if only towards someone in particular.

My deepest condolences.

 

[Calander]

My deepest condolences.

to yourself ?

 

[reddevil0728]

to yourself ?

To you in fact.

 

[Calander]

To you in fact.

oh. thanks in this case.