[CONSOLIDATED] Air India plane crashes at India's Ahmedabad airport

[newborn1000]

The First Officer very suay max , RIP

 

[qhong61]

The First Officer very suay max , RIP

Scariest day of his life

 

[qhong61]

Gonna be sued to bankruptcy if really pilot suicide.

Selling my SIA stocks.

Sue who?

 

[franky]

Sue who?

Air India

 

[junjie433]

The flying one is the co-pilot so he asked the main pilot?

Quoted"
Air India cockpit audio reportedly shows first officer confronting captain over fuel switches
"
https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/...ht-171-boeing-787-fuel-switches-b2790687.html

Seem like I predicted it right.

 

[tmkedmw]

Quoted"
Air India cockpit audio reportedly shows first officer confronting captain over fuel switches
"
https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/...ht-171-boeing-787-fuel-switches-b2790687.html

Seem like I predicted it right.

The one who asked the question doesn't necessarily mean is the one who flipped the switch. Both are aware of cvr and the one who did it could also be the one who asked so as to throw investigators off track.

Now that there is a leak reported by WSJ since yesterday that the senior pilot is the one that moved the switch.

I had also previously posted last Saturday that it is unlikely that the pilot flying (who is the co pilot) switched it off since his hands were not free just after liftoff whereas the pilot monitor g (senior pilot,) hands are free to do it...

 

[asymmetric]

 

[A.Dassler24]

Anyone updates? What’s the conclusion now?

 

[asymmetric]

Anyone updates? What’s the conclusion now?

now they going for independent investigation because main one is biased

 

[tanbrave]

Three cases in the past.The Tokyo bay by Co pilot,Arabic Airline by smithen Co-pilot on fellow lady pilot,Silkair supposedly over Musi River by Pilot ,who had financial problems.Also German Wing,by the suicidal pilot over the Alps.Its a facts,Google does not lie,it reinforce it.Solution ? Triple insurance on your flight.Cant fight it,make it worthwhile for oneself.

 

[asymmetric]

Three cases in the past.The Tokyo bay by Co pilot,Arabic Airline by smithen Co-pilot on fellow lady pilot,Silkair supposedly over Musi River by Pilot ,who had financial problems.Its a facts,Google does not lie,it reinforce it.Solution ? Triple insurance on your flight.Cant fight it,make it worthwhile for oneself.

but not sure the normal insurance covers death, and SIA got 250k cap

 

[Chalkycliffs]

Anyone updates? What’s the conclusion now?

Some suspect a water leak in the flight computer compartment may have caused an electrical malfunction.

There have been previous notices issued to airlines to inspect for water intrusion damage.

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/...ories-what-caused-lawyer-boeing-b2825181.html


" But Mr Andrews argues that the aircraft had been dogged by technical concerns, particularly involving its potable water system – that supplies safe, drinkable water for passengers and crew – and its proximity to sensitive electronics.

He pointed to a trail of Boeing bulletins to airlines dating back years and recent regulatory warnings from the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), all raising alarms over water leaks.

Going back to 2016, 2017 and 2018 there were bulletins to air carriers in the United States to perform waterproofing maintenance,” Mr Andrews said.

“In particular, it speaks to couplings that join water lines underneath lavatories and galley areas. I’ve purchased some of these couplings myself – they’re simple clamshell devices that hold two lines together.

“But the way the final shroud is fitted can loosen the latch, and over time that leads to leaks. We know from FAA notices and directives that water has been found on 787s leaking into equipment bays, and in some cases equipment had to be replaced.”

The compartment he refers to is the aircraft’s electronics equipment bay, or EE bay. It sits beneath the cabin floor and houses the computers that control almost every aspect of the flight, including the full authority digital engine control, known as Fadec. "

 

[tanbrave]

but not sure the normal insurance covers death, and SIA got 250k cap

 

[Mystyque]

Some suspect a water leak in the flight computer compartment may have caused an electrical malfunction.

There have been previous notices issued to airlines to inspect for water intrusion damage.

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/...ories-what-caused-lawyer-boeing-b2825181.html


" But Mr Andrews argues that the aircraft had been dogged by technical concerns, particularly involving its potable water system – that supplies safe, drinkable water for passengers and crew – and its proximity to sensitive electronics.

He pointed to a trail of Boeing bulletins to airlines dating back years and recent regulatory warnings from the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), all raising alarms over water leaks.

Going back to 2016, 2017 and 2018 there were bulletins to air carriers in the United States to perform waterproofing maintenance,” Mr Andrews said.

“In particular, it speaks to couplings that join water lines underneath lavatories and galley areas. I’ve purchased some of these couplings myself – they’re simple clamshell devices that hold two lines together.

“But the way the final shroud is fitted can loosen the latch, and over time that leads to leaks. We know from FAA notices and directives that water has been found on 787s leaking into equipment bays, and in some cases equipment had to be replaced.”

The compartment he refers to is the aircraft’s electronics equipment bay, or EE bay. It sits beneath the cabin floor and houses the computers that control almost every aspect of the flight, including the full authority digital engine control, known as Fadec. "

He's just trying to find reasons to pin it on Boeing in order to get bigger payouts. But if water leakage was the problem, he would still end up back in square one because it means Air India hasn't been doing the needed inspections and maintenance.

 

[tmkedmw]

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/s...in-says-investigators-insinuated-son-cut-fuel

Air India crash: Grieving father of captain says investigators insinuated son cut fuel​

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The crash of Air India Flight 171 in June killed 241 of the 242 people on board the Boeing Dreamliner, as well as 19 on the ground.
PHOTO: REUTERS

Published Sep 25, 2025, 06:38 PM
Updated Sep 25, 2025, 08:32 PM

NEW DELHI - The father of the crashed Air India flight’s captain said officials from India’s accident investigation bureau visited him in August and implied his son cut the fuel to the plane's engines after take-off, correspondence obtained by Reuters showed.

Mr Pushkar Raj Sabharwal, 91, e-mailed the Federation of Indian Pilots (FIP) last week to say that Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) officials had visited him at home on Aug 30 “under the pretext of offering condolences”, and implied that his son, Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, was the one who moved the fuel switches.

“During this interaction... they went beyond their mandate – speaking in innuendos and insinuating, on the basis of selective CVR (cockpit voice recorder) interpretation and a so-called ‘layered voice analysis’, that my son had moved the fuel control switches from ‘run’ to ‘cut off’ after take-off,” the Sept 17 e-mail said.

The day before the AAIB visit, he wrote to the Civil Aviation Ministry in a letter dated Aug 29 to request India’s government open an additional investigation into the deadly crash, criticising what he said were investigators’ “selective” releases of information, which led to speculation about his son’s actions.

The crash of Air India Flight 171 in June moments after it took off from Ahmedabad killed 241 of the 242 people on board the Boeing Dreamliner, as well as 19 on the ground.

A preliminary investigation report by the AAIB showed the plane’s fuel engine switches had almost simultaneously flipped from “run” to “cut off” just after take-off.

The AAIB did not respond to Reuters queries. On Sept 25, a Reuters reporter seeking comment was stopped by building security and denied access to Mr Sabharwal’s home in Mumbai.



The FIP condemned the AAIB visit and said it had “taken up the matter” with the Minister of Civil Aviation.

“In any court of law, the judge or the prosecutor does not go to the house of victims and cross question individuals,” Captain C.S. Randhawa, the organisation’s president, told Reuters in a text message.

India’s Civil Aviation Ministry and Air India did not respond to Reuters’ requests for comment.

‘Integrity’​

Mr Sabharwal, himself a former official of India’s aviation safety regulator, in his e-mail to the pilots federation requested its support for a fair, transparent investigation.

The AAIB’s preliminary report in July said one pilot was heard on the cockpit voice recorder asking the other why he had cut off the fuel. “The other pilot responded that he did not do so,” the report said, without identifying who said what.

A source briefed on US officials’ early assessment of evidence in July told Reuters the cockpit recording of dialogue between the two pilots supported the view that Captain Sabharwal had cut the flow of fuel to the engines.

The first officer was at the controls of the Boeing 787 and asked the captain why he had moved the fuel switches into a position that cut off supply to the engines and requested that he restore the fuel flow, the source told Reuters.

“My son’s dignity and the integrity of due process must be preserved,” Mr Sabharwal wrote in the e-mail to the pilots’ federation, calling the investigator’s alleged remarks “procedurally improper and professionally indefensible”.

In July, the AAIB urged the public and media to refrain from spreading “premature narratives” that risked undermining the investigation’s integrity.

In his letter to the ministry, Mr Sabharwal said the “speculation” had caused him personal anguish, adding that another investigation by the government would help in “safeguarding the truth and ensuring the safety of future passengers”.

This week, India’s Supreme Court asked the government to respond to a separate public interest litigation seeking an independent investigation into the crash.

REUTERS

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[asymmetric]

the pilot definitely cut the fuel

 

[rEe_TaN]

If it was caused by water, shouldn't there be a warning on that in the cockpit systems?

I believe it is due to pilot errors.

 

[asymmetric]

one switched was activated, and 1.5seconds later the other switch, and the copilot said why did you do that.

for whatever reason, the pilot cut the fuel.

 

[Mystyque]

If it was caused by water, shouldn't there be a warning on that in the cockpit systems?

I believe it is due to pilot errors.

I don't believe it is a pilot error due to the effort necessary to flip both switches in rapid succession.They are not buttons nor normal flip switches.

 

[qhong61]

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/s...in-says-investigators-insinuated-son-cut-fuel

Air India crash: Grieving father of captain says investigators insinuated son cut fuel​

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The crash of Air India Flight 171 in June killed 241 of the 242 people on board the Boeing Dreamliner, as well as 19 on the ground.
PHOTO: REUTERS

Published Sep 25, 2025, 06:38 PM
Updated Sep 25, 2025, 08:32 PM

NEW DELHI - The father of the crashed Air India flight’s captain said officials from India’s accident investigation bureau visited him in August and implied his son cut the fuel to the plane's engines after take-off, correspondence obtained by Reuters showed.

Mr Pushkar Raj Sabharwal, 91, e-mailed the Federation of Indian Pilots (FIP) last week to say that Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) officials had visited him at home on Aug 30 “under the pretext of offering condolences”, and implied that his son, Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, was the one who moved the fuel switches.

“During this interaction... they went beyond their mandate – speaking in innuendos and insinuating, on the basis of selective CVR (cockpit voice recorder) interpretation and a so-called ‘layered voice analysis’, that my son had moved the fuel control switches from ‘run’ to ‘cut off’ after take-off,” the Sept 17 e-mail said.

The day before the AAIB visit, he wrote to the Civil Aviation Ministry in a letter dated Aug 29 to request India’s government open an additional investigation into the deadly crash, criticising what he said were investigators’ “selective” releases of information, which led to speculation about his son’s actions.

The crash of Air India Flight 171 in June moments after it took off from Ahmedabad killed 241 of the 242 people on board the Boeing Dreamliner, as well as 19 on the ground.

A preliminary investigation report by the AAIB showed the plane’s fuel engine switches had almost simultaneously flipped from “run” to “cut off” just after take-off.

The AAIB did not respond to Reuters queries. On Sept 25, a Reuters reporter seeking comment was stopped by building security and denied access to Mr Sabharwal’s home in Mumbai.



The FIP condemned the AAIB visit and said it had “taken up the matter” with the Minister of Civil Aviation.

“In any court of law, the judge or the prosecutor does not go to the house of victims and cross question individuals,” Captain C.S. Randhawa, the organisation’s president, told Reuters in a text message.

India’s Civil Aviation Ministry and Air India did not respond to Reuters’ requests for comment.

‘Integrity’​

Mr Sabharwal, himself a former official of India’s aviation safety regulator, in his e-mail to the pilots federation requested its support for a fair, transparent investigation.

The AAIB’s preliminary report in July said one pilot was heard on the cockpit voice recorder asking the other why he had cut off the fuel. “The other pilot responded that he did not do so,” the report said, without identifying who said what.

A source briefed on US officials’ early assessment of evidence in July told Reuters the cockpit recording of dialogue between the two pilots supported the view that Captain Sabharwal had cut the flow of fuel to the engines.

The first officer was at the controls of the Boeing 787 and asked the captain why he had moved the fuel switches into a position that cut off supply to the engines and requested that he restore the fuel flow, the source told Reuters.

“My son’s dignity and the integrity of due process must be preserved,” Mr Sabharwal wrote in the e-mail to the pilots’ federation, calling the investigator’s alleged remarks “procedurally improper and professionally indefensible”.

In July, the AAIB urged the public and media to refrain from spreading “premature narratives” that risked undermining the investigation’s integrity.

In his letter to the ministry, Mr Sabharwal said the “speculation” had caused him personal anguish, adding that another investigation by the government would help in “safeguarding the truth and ensuring the safety of future passengers”.

This week, India’s Supreme Court asked the government to respond to a separate public interest litigation seeking an independent investigation into the crash.

REUTERS

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Father so old already still need to feel such pain.
How to RIP.