[CONSOLIDATED] Israel & Palestine Hamas conflict updates [History Discussion and stirring against any religion NOT ALLOWED]

[tiobanned]

Genocide incitement, you can't make that up!

why is the Israelis doing this ?

 

[OrionTuition]

why is the Israelis doing this ?

I'm not so naive to believe in such PR campaigns

 

[tiobanned]

I'm not so naive to believe in such PR campaigns

but the fact remains that it is the Israeli who brought along the incubator and the medical aids
and bring the babies to the south as oppose to what Genocide message some youtube channels is
advocating

and why were these babies still in the hospital in Northern Gaza after so many weeks of war ?

have you asked yourself why instead of saying this is propaganda and PR campaign ?

 

[NTB2DO]

Ok so the two above people are of the belief that Shanmugam is highlighting that Israel is currently commiting indiscriminate killing of civilians right?

I won't dare to make this claim but I mean if that is what you feel... Important to have to make it clear to not misquote or misinterpret people especially Sham

Read what you quote carefully.

Kindly point out to me,

First, where did I claim that " Shanmugam is highlighting that Israel is currently commiting indiscriminate killing of civilians.." - as claimed by you?

Secondly, please note what I wrote:

"By the same token Israeli forces' purported 'target Hamas' firing of missiles from Israel to Gaza is just as wrong, unacceptable and unjustifiable."

I've said it before and I shall repeat, Hamas militants' indiscriminate firing of missiles from Gaza into Israel is wrong, unacceptable and unjustifiable.

By the same token Israeli forces' purported 'target Hamas' firing of missiles from Israel to Gaza is just as wrong, unacceptable and unjustifiable.

You are right in pointing out that casualties inside Israel remain minimal due to the presence of iron dome. whereas the Gazans are completely exposed to the shelling.

And it's hard for us to buy Israel's argument of "minimizing casualties" when we are see such massive casualties as a result of Israel's bombardment. As aptly put by Shan,

https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...indiscriminate-killing-of-civilians-shanmugam


You simply cannot condemn one side for firing rockets at the other side and yet condone the other side when the other side does the same thing. That reek of double standard.

Again, I would appreciate it if you could refrain from putting words into my mouth. This is not the first time you are doing this, don't make it a habit.

 

[testing_testing]

From Al-Shifa Hospital to Indonesian Hospital...

Sigh when will everything stops

 

[eclipsemints]

Ok so the two above people are of the belief that Shanmugam is highlighting that Israel is currently commiting indiscriminate killing of civilians right?

I won't dare to make this claim but I mean if that is what you feel... Important to have to make it clear to not misquote or misinterpret people especially Sham

Literally that's what he said and meant.

 

[testing_testing]

^ source: UN as stated

 

[testing_testing]

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/

The Occupation of Water - Amnesty International



One of its most devastating consequences is the impact of Israel’s discriminatory policies on Palestinians’ access to adequate supplies of clean and safe water.

Soon after Israel occupied the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, in June 1967, the Israeli military authorities consolidated complete power over all water resources and water-related infrastructure in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT). 50 years on, Israel continues to control and restrict Palestinian access to water in the OPT to a level which neither meets their needs nor constitutes a fair distribution of shared water resources.

In November 1967 the Israeli authorities issued Military Order 158, which stated that Palestinians could not construct any new water installation without first obtaining a permit from the Israeli army. Since then, the extraction of water from any new source or the development of any new water infrastructure would require permits from Israel, which are near impossible to obtain.

Palestinians living under Israel’s military occupation continue to suffer the devastating consequences of this order until today. They are unable to drill new water wells, install pumps or deepen existing wells, in addition to being denied access to the Jordan River and fresh water springs.

Israel even controls the collection of rain water throughout most of the West Bank, and rainwater harvesting cisterns owned by Palestinian communities are often destroyed by the Israeli army.

As a result, some 180 Palestinian communities in rural areas in the occupied West Bank have no access to running water, according to OCHA. Even in towns and villages which are connected to the water network, the taps often run dry.

^ Remnants of ruined crop, in a field on the outskirts of the village of Al-Auja

^ Swimming Pool in Ma’ale Adumim. With water supply roughly four times greater than that provided to Palestinian communities, Israeli settlements such as Ma’ale Adumim stand in stark contrast to their Palestinian neighbours. © Amnesty International

 

[tiobanned]

Heard that for first time in the world - a laser system developed in Israel managed to intercept a rocket that was fired at Israel during the days of fighting
believed this will end the war soonest

waiting eagerly for the video

 

[eclipsemints]

Oh my, 2014 already they were putting weapons in schools...

Zoom to today

Weapons in daycare...

Means 9 years down the road, they havent really changed their ways... There is something about leopards and spots that is apt to describe this situation...

Thanks for sharing, didn't know hsitorically they were already so blatant and without care for even children's lives... This could be the reason why the children death numbers (if it could be believed) are so high so would be glad if you join in and condemn Hamas for using children as human shields! We can finally agree on something!

Glad we are both learning more on this issue just like how you finally realized that the numbers given by the health ministry are not yet categorized so you have corrected your phrasing to say total deaths and not total civilian deaths, cause I mean if more terrorists are being taken out, this is beneficial for the entire situation right... So hope those numbers can be categorized appropriately

nope. I maintain my stand total deaths are accurate.

you on the other hand had your argument that the figures cannot be trusted defeated with no comeback.

Er no, my quote on you, in that very apt box is just saying that

"minimize civilian deaths, This is a fact with now over 10k deaths in Gaza"

You think the numbers being reported are just purely civilian numbers. Or else you wouldn't be using these numbers already.

Anyway it's all clear to see how you are changing how you view the numbers and that is totally fine cause I do encourage learning and it is a good thing that now you know the numbers being reported are not yet categorized into civilians vs terrorist. Good on you, glad most of us here already knew that also

missquote is miss quote, no need to twist here and there.

And the figures are assumed to be mostly if not all are civilians. That's why Israel is pressured by USA even to stop the killings.

Sham also made his statement with this in mind i will say. If not he won't be so direct to label the Israelis as indiscriminating killing people.

Why this assertion? Hamas fighters all hid underground during the bombings in their tunnels. You will think they so stupid to stay on top to get killed by Airstrikes?


Cheers

 

[testing_testing]

Gaza is by the sea, so they can always use reverse osmosis to desalinate sea water and capture and recycle their own water, but without pipes, you can't recycle or capture water.

Need permit to install i.e. it's controlled.

Amnesty article say one,

In November 1967 the Israeli authorities issued Military Order 158, which stated that Palestinians could not construct any new water installation without first obtaining a permit from the Israeli army. Since then, the extraction of water from any new source or the development of any new water infrastructure would require permits from Israel, which are near impossible to obtain.

 

[SkyShroud]

Mosque used as cover to produce military explosives.

 

[coern]

Read what Shan stated carefully.

He doesn’t actually say what you think/claim he said.

At no point does he state that Israel has committed acts of indiscriminate killing. He is talking in hypotheticals.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...indiscriminate-killing-of-civilians-shanmugam

Israel’s right to self-defence does not extend to indiscriminate killing of civilians: Shanmugam​

SINGAPORE - Israel has a right to self-defence, but this does not extend to indiscriminate killing of civilians or mass displacement of entire populations, said Home Affairs and Law Minister K. Shanmugam.

Collective punishment is also illegal, he said, in the context of what is now happening in Gaza

When our very own law minister is labeling the bombings as indiscriminate contrary to your opinion.

On the back of Shanmugam's words, which i believe carries far more weight and credibility then any of you peeps here, i rest my case here.

Cheers...

 

[jerry_doit]

nope. I maintain my stand total deaths are accurate.

you on the other hand had your argument that the figures cannot be trusted defeated with no comeback.

missquote is miss quote, no need to twist here and there.

And the figures are assumed to be mostly if not all are civilians. That's why Israel is pressured by USA even to stop the killings.

Sham also made his statement with this in mind i will say. If not he won't be so direct to label the Israelis as indiscriminating killing people.

Why this assertion? Hamas fighters all hid underground during the bombings in their tunnels. You will think they so stupid to stay on top to get killed by Airstrikes?


Cheers

Shan did not label Israel of indiscriminate killings. He accused Israel of acting contrary to international laws e.g. The settlements and the severe restrictions. He then stated what are illegal but stopped short of directly accusing Isreal of collective punishment, displacing people, etc. He probably stopped short as these crimes are not fully verified and attributed.

 

[coern]

IDF has released multiple photos and videos of schools with rocket placements in the current conflict.

using the UNRWA example is to show that even a Palestinian-staffed organization has had to, at some point in the past, admit the same. Even though they are trying their darndest to deny the truth now.

UNRWA STRONGLY CONDEMNS PLACEMENT OF ROCKETS IN SCHOOL​

17 July 2014

AGENCY DEMANDS FULL RESPECT FOR THE SANCTITY OF ITS PREMISES IN GAZA​

East Jerusalem
Yesterday, in the course of the regular inspection of its premises, UNRWA discovered approximately 20 rockets hidden in a vacant school in the Gaza Strip.
UNRWA strongly condemns the group or groups responsible for placing the weapons in one of its installations. This is a flagrant violation of the inviolability of its premises under international law. This incident, which is the first of its kind in Gaza, endangered civilians including staff and put at risk UNRWA’s vital mission to assist and protect Palestine refugees in Gaza.

Immediately after discovery, the Agency informed the relevant parties and successfully took all necessary measures for the removal of the objects in order to preserve the safety and security of the school. UNRWA has launched a comprehensive investigation into the circumstances surrounding this incident.
UNRWA has strong, established procedures to maintain the neutrality of all its premises, including a strict no-weapons policy and routine inspections of its installations, to ensure they are only used for humanitarian purposes. UNRWA will uphold and further reinforce its procedures.
Palestinian civilians in Gaza rely on UNRWA to provide humanitarian assistance and shelter. At all times, and especially during escalations of violence, the sanctity and integrity of UN installations must be respected.

AFTERNOTE​

UNRWA Gaza Beach Elementary Co-educational “B” School on 16 July 2014
The Secretary-General convened a UN HQ Board of Inquiry (BOI) on 10 November 2014 in order to investigate a number of incidents between 8 July and 26 August 2014 affecting or involving United Nations personnel, premises and operations, including the report of the presence of weaponry at this school. The Secretary-General released a summary of the BOI report on 27 April 2015 (S/2015/286). The summary indicates that the items found were not rockets; the Board found that a 120 mm mortar tube, a mortar bipod and twenty 120 mm mortar-round containers, with ammunition, were discovered.

Please post the entire article instead of just the link to avoid misleading others.

You obviously never even read the article. It's a 2014 article.

Cheers

 

[samloi]

need "working in confine space" permit

 

[coern]

Pipes funded by EU used for rockets by Hamas.

 

[enigmastar]

Shan did not label Israel of indiscriminate killings. He accused Israel of acting contrary to international laws e.g. The settlements and the severe restrictions. He then stated what are illegal but stopped short of directly accusing Isreal of collective punishment, displacing people, etc. He probably stopped short as these crimes are not fully verified and attributed.

Plus you , itz already 5 person who corrected him what shan actually said. Don't think the user will change his stance that " Sham also made his statement with this in mind i will say. If not he won't be so direct to label the Israelis as indiscriminating killing people." The user will keep insist shan said Israel indiscriminate kill people. This is how misinformation works.

 

[Ghostpel]

Evidence confirms Israel’s al-Shifa claims, so critics move the goal posts​

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/20/israel-hospital-goalposts/

Good read.

 

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