[CONSOLIDATED] President Trump 2nd term

[OneMan]

+1 Right Wing Social Media misinformation count:

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since 15 Aug!​

vast majority of tiktoks / Xs posted here, checked to be fake news and likely disinformation campaigns. Right wing tiktok / x, Trump, XJP Putin MSM considered really bad in general vs US and Europe MSM which are not perfect but reasonable. Breakdown: tiktok/X 19, youtube 1​

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CNN did not say Biden Admin is cooking the books. Economic data updates/revision is common after the first release. Trump had a major revision downwards for job numbers too.

 

[OneMan]

haha. obvious reference that Dem supporters don't really like to carry guns around in their daily lives. Just like Singaporeans, I presume

you can let me if I'm wrong about the "low testosteron/non gun toting" nature of Singaporean men.

 

[OneMan]

Fake news. Typical Tylor Durden type reporting/titling. She is saying she doesn't believe Trump who said Biden Admin was padding numbers. Not that she is not familiar with the Bureau of Labour.

It is true though she is not aware of the latest revised numbers that landed just. Revisions after the draft numbers are more common things, Major downward revision happened during Trump's time as well. After the revisions , Biden's numbers are still better than Trump's.

Trump claims numbers from the Bureau of Labour for him is correct, but if it is better numbers for Biden, it is wrong. What's new?

Staggering Incompetence: Biden's Commerce Secretary Is "Not Familiar" With The Bureau Of Labor

 

[think_too_much]

1. Job growth, Trump lags behind Obama and Biden, even before Covid period. With Covid period, Trump is absolutely far behind.

(Trump and Biden have downward revisions, revisions are a normal thing when more data is available)

2. Trump Racism, see Vox list of some of the things he did.

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

would love to hear a Trump supporter actually defend Trump in detail and with verifiable evidence nevertheless. Against the well-supported Trump racism claims.

3. Russia collusion: Reported on Mueller's Russia interference investigation (appointed during Trump term) which advised that Russia did try to help Trump win the election through facebook twitter social media campaigns that reached >100 millions of US citizens, create tons of fake accounts to do so. Russia does not really need to pay a lot of money to Google for ads on social media. Also, that Russian assets interacted with prominent pro-Trump activists to arrange political rallies. and Trump campaign was eager to benefit from hackings targeting Democrats; and Trump’s campaign advisers had a lot of troubling ties to Russia. MSM also reported on the findings of Durham as well. reasonable

https://www.vox.com/world/2019/4/19/18507580/mueller-report-trump-russia-obstruction-summary

4. classified papers: MSM reported on Biden too. Difference is that Trump is defiant, showed classified to people without clearance, lied about it, tried to stash them away to prevent discovery etc. Biden returned the documents quickly when asked. reasonable

6. stormy: newspapers reported the alleged affair, as well as the hush money payment for her non disclosure and denial of affair, which she later retracted . reasonable

 

[think_too_much]

Proof of Ukraine Israel Bill passed?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us...illion-ukraine-israel-aid-package-2024-04-20/

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-S...es-billions-in-aid-for-ukraine-israel-taiwan/

Proof of Trump against Ukraine Israel Border. Repost.

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Trump ok with Ukraine Israel,
Trump against Ukraine Israel Border.

+ he quoted as against the border portion of the bill. see repost etc.

No. Those two articles does not prove that was Trump's stand.

Trump was against the HR2 border bill due to the excessive foreign spending that came with it. But nowhere did he say that he is a proponent to this Ukraine-Israel aid package.

Stop with your projecting.

 

[OneMan]

It is not the articles. It was the bills that were passed and not passed.
what Trump said. Republicans' testimonial etc.

Are you suggesting the Ukraine Israel Taiwan aid bill was not passed?
and that Ukraine Israel Border bill was passed?

It' s obvious Trump is against the border portion of the bill.
Stop your smoke screening.

No. Those two articles does not prove that was Trump's stand.

Trump was against the HR2 border bill due to the excessive foreign spending that came with it. But nowhere did he say that he is a proponent to this Ukraine-Israel aid package.

Stop with your projecting.

 

[OneMan]

Video of Trump opposing the border bill.

"I hope the Republicans don't and the Democrats don't make a bad border deal, because a bad border deal will be worse than no deal at all. You don't need a deal to tighten up the border and to make it secure..."

 

[OneMan]

Video of Trump opposing the border bill.

"I hope the Republicans don't and the Democrats don't make a bad border deal, because a bad border deal will be worse than no deal at all. You don't need a deal to tighten up the border and to make it secure..."

 

[asymmetric]

Video of Trump opposing the border bill

Usually it's because of pork or something else they don't like snuck in by democrats last minute....

In this case was fast path track for illegals to get citizenship

 

[OneMan]

you imagine one is it?

Trump clearly said he opposed the bill as as he doesn't need a border deal.

"I hope the Republicans don't and the Democrats don't make a bad border deal, because a bad border deal will be worse than no deal at all. You don't need a deal to tighten up the border and to make it secure..."
-DJT (video)

So the HR2 border bill Republicans were pushing in 2023 and threatening to shut down government because of it was fake?

Common sense tells you billions more to expand the detention facilities, hire more enforcement officers and judges will tighten up the border. Rather than catch and release legal issue, where Trump tried to do things the non legal way and lost the relevant cases in courts.

Are you one?

If Trump is serious about the border, he would not have impeded the bipartisan Border bill adding resources to the border.

Trump sank the bipartisan senate border control bill earlier this year. A Trump defeat and Kamala win may just be the thing to revive the border control bill.

"The $118 billion bill, called the Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, sought significant changes in border policy. It included money to build more border barriers, to greatly expand detention facilities, and to hire more Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Border Patrol agents, asylum officers and immigration judges to reduce the years-long backlog in cases to determine asylum eligibility. It sought to expedite the asylum process, essentially ending — in most cases — the so-called “catch and release” policy whereby migrants are released into the U.S. pending asylum hearings. And it would have increased the standard of evidence needed to win asylum status.

The bill also would have supplied more funding to interdict fentanyl and human trafficking, and it included $60 billion in aid for Ukraine and $14 billion for Israel.

“It doesn’t have everything in it I wanted, it doesn’t have everything it it my Democratic colleagues wanted,” one of the architects of the bill, Republican Sen. James Lankford, said from the Senate floor before the vote was taken. “But it definitely makes a difference.”

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"Much of the controversy centered on a section of the bill that would have provided emergency authority to the administration to “summarily remove” people who cross into the U.S. illegally between ports of entry, even if they are seeking asylum. While Trump argues that presidents already have that authority, the fact is that when he tried to exercise that kind of authority, the courts blocked him."

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/unraveling-misinformation-about-bipartisan-immigration-bill/

“Only a fool, or a Radical Left Democrat, would vote for this horrendous Border Bill..."
- DJT

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/05/border-bill-trump-00139584

The Republicans allowed funding for Ukraine and Israel to pass though, in a separate bill.

The deal also ends the practice known as “catch and release,” - thehill.com, top conservative news website

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...-from-conservatives-trump-allies-in-congress/

Trump cares about the border?

He just wants to create an election issue. He is more Trump first, than anything else....

Usually it's because of pork or something else they don't like snuck in by democrats last minute....

In this case was fast path track for illegals to get citizenship

 

[OneMan]

He is commenting on video is from Biden Campaign, not MSM.
and he is not telling the whole truth at all.

MSM reporting is reasonable and detailed.

1) Trump apartment discrimination case in full and details. reasonable

Trump tried to counter-sue the Justice Department for making false statements, but Trump's suit got dismissed by the court. Means Justice Department was telling the truth when suing Trump. While settlement has no admission, Trump had to give assurance he will not discriminate as part of settlement.

https://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/4959...ed-by-decades-old-housing-discrimination-case

2) Central Park 5 reasonable

Trump advert for reinstatement of the death penalty was taken out on 1 May, soon after case reported in papers, assessed to affect the outcome of the case. After Central Park 5 were acquitted and city agreed to pay damages, Trump is still unhappy about the acquittal etc up to today etc. Part of a long pattern as highlighted by Vox, others. Even if want to argue he is not racist, he will still be a conspiracist, as he is still rejecting court approved evidence. If he helped to pay for a black woman's hospital bills e.g. consistently before creating an uproar with his adverts, it would have put him in a better light. but alas this is not so.

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

https://www.politifact.com/factchec.../donald-trump-twists-story-central-park-five/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-trump-has-said-central-park-five/1501321001/

3) "Bloodbath" comment reasonable

Trump does takes comments to the edge, or use graphic incendiary terms, and does word salads. MSM do quote the context.

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/03/trumps-bloodbath-comment/
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tru...e-attack-biden-immigration/story?id=108766783

Examples of Trump inciendary quotes also mentioned:
"Every state is now a border state, every town is now a border town," he said. "Because Joe Biden has brought the carnage and chaos and killing from all over the world and dumped it straight into our backyards."

4) Standing with White Supremacists. reasonable

MSM did report his meandering full text for Charlottesville, where he did say he condemns white supremacists but went meandering for a long time, blaming Antifa (far left antifacist) as well. Antifa exists to deal with KKK and white supremacists, so it is not an equal comparison.

Furthermore, Trump is far from consistent, frequently walking back his comments e.g. he'll tell his supporters white supremacists Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by" even when pressed to disavow them, and not condemning the Proud Boys on Jan 6.

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/11/637665414/a-year-after-charlottesville-not-much-has-changed-for-trump





5) Dictator comment. reasonable

MSM reported fully and with context. It's the right wing who misconstrue MSM's reporting.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-ha...ial-election-f27e7e9d7c13fabbe3ae7dd7f1235c72

beside Trump seems to like to keep using the words "dictator" and "revenge". and then you have Trump's talk of replacing the civil service with his loyalists etc.

https://www.axios.com/2023/12/27/trump-word-cloud-revenge-dictatorship-second-term
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...genda-government-workers-schedule-f-rcna78785

 

[asymmetric]

 

[OneMan]

It might just be true, since Trump is Trump first, more than anything else, coupled with schedule F plans to replace career civil service with his loyalists. He already caused Jan 6 the first round, as Obama said, the sequels are worse.

He is commenting on video is from Biden Campaign, not MSM.
and he is not telling the whole truth at all.

MSM reporting is reasonable and detailed.

1) Trump apartment discrimination case in full and details. reasonable

Trump tried to counter-sue the Justice Department for making false statements, but Trump's suit got dismissed by the court. Means Justice Department was telling the truth when suing Trump. While settlement has no admission, Trump had to give assurance he will not discriminate as part of settlement.

https://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/4959...ed-by-decades-old-housing-discrimination-case

2) Central Park 5 reasonable

Trump advert for reinstatement of the death penalty was taken out on 1 May, soon after case reported in papers, assessed to affect the outcome of the case. After Central Park 5 were acquitted and city agreed to pay damages, Trump is still unhappy about the acquittal etc up to today etc. Part of a long pattern as highlighted by Vox, others. Even if want to argue he is not racist, he will still be a conspiracist, as he is still rejecting court approved evidence. If he helped to pay for a black woman's hospital bills e.g. consistently before creating an uproar with his adverts, it would have put him in a better light. but alas this is not so.

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

https://www.politifact.com/factchec.../donald-trump-twists-story-central-park-five/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-trump-has-said-central-park-five/1501321001/

3) "Bloodbath" comment reasonable

Trump does takes comments to the edge, or use graphic incendiary terms, and does word salads. MSM do quote the context.

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/03/trumps-bloodbath-comment/
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tru...e-attack-biden-immigration/story?id=108766783

Examples of Trump inciendary quotes also mentioned:
"Every state is now a border state, every town is now a border town," he said. "Because Joe Biden has brought the carnage and chaos and killing from all over the world and dumped it straight into our backyards."

4) Standing with White Supremacists. reasonable

MSM did report his meandering full text for Charlottesville, where he did say he condemns white supremacists but went meandering for a long time, blaming Antifa (far left antifacist) as well. Antifa exists to deal with KKK and white supremacists, so it is not an equal comparison.

Furthermore, Trump is far from consistent, frequently walking back his comments e.g. he'll tell his supporters white supremacists Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by" even when pressed to disavow them, and not condemning the Proud Boys on Jan 6.

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/11/637665414/a-year-after-charlottesville-not-much-has-changed-for-trump





5) Dictator comment. reasonable

MSM reported fully and with context. It's the right wing who misconstrue MSM's reporting.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-ha...ial-election-f27e7e9d7c13fabbe3ae7dd7f1235c72

beside Trump seems to like to keep using the words "dictator" and "revenge". and then you have Trump's talk of replacing the civil service with his loyalists etc.

https://www.axios.com/2023/12/27/trump-word-cloud-revenge-dictatorship-second-term
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...genda-government-workers-schedule-f-rcna78785

Are you one?

If Trump is serious about the border, he would not have impeded the bipartisan Border bill adding resources to the border.

Trump sank the bipartisan senate border control bill earlier this year. A Trump defeat and Kamala win may just be the thing to revive the border control bill.

"The $118 billion bill, called the Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, sought significant changes in border policy. It included money to build more border barriers, to greatly expand detention facilities, and to hire more Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Border Patrol agents, asylum officers and immigration judges to reduce the years-long backlog in cases to determine asylum eligibility. It sought to expedite the asylum process, essentially ending — in most cases — the so-called “catch and release” policy whereby migrants are released into the U.S. pending asylum hearings. And it would have increased the standard of evidence needed to win asylum status.

The bill also would have supplied more funding to interdict fentanyl and human trafficking, and it included $60 billion in aid for Ukraine and $14 billion for Israel.

“It doesn’t have everything in it I wanted, it doesn’t have everything it it my Democratic colleagues wanted,” one of the architects of the bill, Republican Sen. James Lankford, said from the Senate floor before the vote was taken. “But it definitely makes a difference.”

-------------------------------------------------
"Much of the controversy centered on a section of the bill that would have provided emergency authority to the administration to “summarily remove” people who cross into the U.S. illegally between ports of entry, even if they are seeking asylum. While Trump argues that presidents already have that authority, the fact is that when he tried to exercise that kind of authority, the courts blocked him."

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/unraveling-misinformation-about-bipartisan-immigration-bill/

“Only a fool, or a Radical Left Democrat, would vote for this horrendous Border Bill..."
- DJT

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/05/border-bill-trump-00139584

The Republicans allowed funding for Ukraine and Israel to pass though, in a separate bill.

The deal also ends the practice known as “catch and release,” - thehill.com, top conservative news website

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...-from-conservatives-trump-allies-in-congress/

Trump cares about the border?

He just wants to create an election issue. He is more Trump first, than anything else....

Obama is also anti woke "call out" what, and has some similar views against woke.

Barack Obama challenges 'woke' culture​

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50239261



Trump on the other hand is against Kamala's Sg like policies like:

i. first time homeowner grant (CPF housing grant sans HDB)
ii. price control act 1950 (max price of rice etc),
iii. anti price gouging law CPFTA (2003)
iv. abortion law (Trump's supported one has result in some states not allowing abortion in rape cases etc, Kamala's one is more moderate like Sg)
.....

Sg works well with neighbours, promote racial harmony. Trump does not.

Singapore is actually even more left than Kamala. We have:
i) HDB, subsidized government housing
ii) MOH, subsidized government hospitals, polyclinics
iii) Fairprice, government competitor to private supermarket chains
iv) Kopitiam, government competitor to private food courts like Food Republic
....

Republicans have been generally obstructing the passage of these basic low cost Sg-like services, Trump/republicans also tried to gut Obama-care also, but got cold feet.

Let's hope Sg never gets a Trump like leader

 

[asymmetric]

Interesting fact. Obama and Biden opposed marriage equality when they entered office. Fast forward to now Kamala's woke policies are probably too much to swallow that's why Obama had to think some time before endorsing her. But he probably has no choice. Otherwise the powers that be might bring his gay past to the front.

 

[asymmetric]

Now I'm waiting for JFK Jr votes to go over to Trump.... Then check mate. Brilliant chess move. Let Kamala bask in a little fake victory and popularity now....

 

[asymmetric]

On the contrary Trump net worth went down. Democrats are the one greasing their pockets....

 

[asymmetric]

Everything they tell you is fake, e.g. fake job numbers

 

[asymmetric]

It might just be true, since Trump is Trump first, more than anything else, coupled with schedule F plans to replace career civil service with his loyalists. He already caused Jan 6 the first round, as Obama said, the sequels are worse.

Think Obama killed the most number of people including journalists among all presidents... He is comparing his bloody terms to no new war Trump lol. How stupid must the people be to believe him.

 

[MynameisS]

Thanks, Biden-Harris: Map Shows Worst Housing Affordability In America

 

[OneMan]

Obama and Biden support marriage equality or unions for a very long time, Obama for more than 20 years. What powers that might be? Please explain...

Interesting fact. Obama and Biden opposed marriage equality when they entered office. Fast forward to now Kamala's woke policies are probably too much to swallow that's why Obama had to think some time before endorsing her. But he probably has no choice. Otherwise the powers that be might bring his gay past to the front.