[CONSOLIDATED] President Trump 2nd term

who will win the US Presidential Elections 2024?

  • Donald J Trump

  • Kamala Harris


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this is not big, and it is a repeat :ROFLMAO: I guess the Dems now have to sue all the hundreds of Republican counties that hired more Republicans as well. :s13:
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+2 Right Wing Social Media misinformation count:

103
since 15 Aug!

vast majority of tiktoks / Xs posted here, checked to be fake news
and likely disinformation campaigns, cut cut omit etc.
Right wing tiktok / x, Trump, XJP Putin MSM considered atrocious in general
vs US and Europe MSM which are not perfect but reasonable.
Breakdown: tiktok/X 81, youtube 22

Do not believe unchecked social media which are mostly lies eg cut cut omit etc.
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102
"Recent New York Times/Sienna polls shows Trump with almost a 100% chance of winning the electoral college this November" Not True

SIenna does not do electoral college forecasting.

103
Diagram showing Silver Bulletin at 99.8% Trump winning. Not True
Nate Silver is also not forecasting 99.8% chance of Trump winning.
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+6 Right Wing Social Media misinformation count:

101
since 15 Aug!

vast majority of tiktoks / Xs posted here, checked to be fake news
and likely disinformation campaigns, cut cut omit etc.
Right wing tiktok / x, Trump, XJP Putin MSM considered atrocious in general
vs US and Europe MSM which are not perfect but reasonable.
Breakdown: tiktok/X 79, youtube 22

Do not believe unchecked social media which are mostly lies eg cut cut omit etc.
It is important to confirm the truth with full videos etc.
Spam posts/emails does not equate to Truth.​

96
Stephen Miller: "Donald Trump is going to be authentic, real, honest, genuine..." Not true
Donald Trump is documented to lie >100 times in a few hours. that is not the definition of "honest".

97
"he meets the families" deceptive
Trump met the families and lied to them (saying there were no troop losses, while there were, in Afghanistan during his time). Trump is now also saying that the incident where he violated the law in Arlington never happened, despite his aides and surrogates trying to defend him.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-gold-star-families-troop-deaths-afghanistan/
https://www.npr.org/2024/09/03/g-s1-20680/trump-arlington-cemetery

97
"he doesn't say what's going on with the illegal immigrants" deceptive

Trump opposed the election year bipartisan effort for border laws (2024) to bring more resources to the border. During 2023, the Republicans threatened to shut down government (through withholding government funding) if HR2 border bill is not passed, and Trump did not oppose them then.

See video of Trump opposing the bipartisan border laws....

"You don't need a deal to tighten up the border and to make it secure.." DJT (video)



98
"they will not be asking Kamala "when you left the border. when you swung the door open at the border" not true

Kamala did not swing the door open at the border. Trump was the one against additional resources at the border, during election year.

99
"when you look at the crime crises" deceptive
crime rates overall, especially violent crime, are lower during Biden's term compared to Trump's term

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/03/...r-including-massive-drop-in-murder/index.html

100
"the afghanistan debacle" deceptive
Ignores that Trump signed a deal with the Taliban for the pullout of troops in Afghanistan, which he did not implement himself, and which was due a few months after the 2020 elections.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/harris-campaign-trump-taliban-afghanistan-withdrawal/

101
"illegal aliens can vote by checking a federal form that says i'm a citizen, not validated in any way" Not true

Validation is being done. Besides Trump did not complain about such matters when he won in 2016.

"While Republican lawmakers such as House Speaker Mike Johnson keep pushing this narrative, analysis has shown no evidence of widespread noncitizen voter fraud. The conservative Heritage Foundation think tank put together an election fraud database and found 24 cases involving noncitizens voting between 2003 and 2023.

"Every single person in the United States who seeks to register to vote must provide identification at the time they register," he added. If someone who is ineligible were to get a form and return it, they would not have a driver's license or a social security number tied to a record showing citizenship, he said.

"Several studies and state-led investigations have shown that noncitizen voting in federal and statewide elections virtually never happens," the Brennan Center for Justice

at New York University's School of Law writes. "It's illegal, and if a noncitizen intentionally registers or votes in one of those elections, they will face fines, prison and deportation."

https://www.dw.com/en/fears-of-frau...electronic-voting-absentee-ballots/a-69570625

Trump is still denying the 2020 election even after losing >60 legal cases alleging election fraud, cases at Courts with many of his own appointed judges and more conservative Supreme Court presiding. With no meaningful fraud proven after submitting "mountains" of "evidence". Lies (or incompetence at best)

“A decision in these cases would not have any implications regarding the 2020 election.."

the more right wing Samuel Alito. Supreme Court Judge, Bush Appointee, admits. (Penn case)

https://apnews.com/article/joe-bide...upreme-court-5cc6aee8c328c7bb1d423244b979bcec

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+8 Right Wing Social Media misinformation count:

111
since 15 Aug!

vast majority of tiktoks / Xs posted here, checked to be fake news
and likely disinformation campaigns, cut cut omit etc.
Right wing tiktok / x, Trump, XJP Putin MSM considered atrocious in general
vs US and Europe MSM which are not perfect but reasonable.
Breakdown: tiktok/X 89, youtube 22

Do not believe unchecked social media which are mostly lies eg cut cut omit etc.
It is important to confirm the truth with full videos etc.
Spam posts/emails does not equate to Truth.
104
Harris-Biden covered-up Biden family corruption. Deceptive
Accusation with no credible proof being offered.

105
Harris-Biden censored & suppressed free speech. Deceptive
Biden administration did ask FB to deal with some Covid claims, and FB did also take down Covid claims during Trump's term.

106
Harris-Biden destroyed careers over vax mandates. Deceptive
Careers are always being "created and impeded" when a government passes new laws.

107
Harris-Biden allow for lawfare v. their political rival. Not True
Trump has always been litigious and faced litigation even before he became a presidential candidate. His propensity for breaking the law, playing fast and loose and losing lawsuits is of his own doing, unforced errors.

108
Harris-Biden covered-up Biden's cognitive decline. Deceptive
Accusation with no credible proof being offered.

109
Harris-Biden embolden enemies with weakness. Not True
During Biden Administration, NATO is strengthened vs the opposite for Trump.

110
"Harris-Biden broke our border on purpose." Not True.

Trump opposed the election year bipartisan effort for border laws (2024) to bring more resources to the border. During 2023, the Republicans threatened to shut down government (through withholding government funding) if HR2 border bill is not passed, and Trump did not oppose them then.

See video of Trump opposing the bipartisan border laws....
"You don't need a deal to tighten up the border and to make it secure.." DJT (video)



111
"Harris-Biden politicize our nation's institutions." Not True
Trump is the one who wants to replace significant parts of the civil service with his loyalists/political appointees, through his schedule F plan.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...genda-government-workers-schedule-f-rcna78785

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Democracy cannot survive if based on Tiktok "fake news".

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+2 Right Wing Social Media misinformation count:

103
since 15 Aug!

vast majority of tiktoks / Xs posted here, checked to be fake news
and likely disinformation campaigns, cut cut omit etc.
Right wing tiktok / x, Trump, XJP Putin MSM considered atrocious in general
vs US and Europe MSM which are not perfect but reasonable.
Breakdown: tiktok/X 81, youtube 22

Do not believe unchecked social media which are mostly lies eg cut cut omit etc.
It is important to confirm the truth with full videos etc.
Spam posts/emails does not equate to Truth.
102
"Recent New York Times/Sienna polls shows Trump with almost a 100% chance of winning the electoral college this November" Not True

SIenna does not do electoral college forecasting.

103
Diagram showing Silver Bulletin at 99.8% Trump winning. Not True
Nate Silver is also not forecasting 99.8% chance of Trump winning.
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Exactly. Trump should not have stopped the 2024 deal to strengthen the border.

Trump opposed the election year bipartisan effort for border laws (2024) to bring more resources to the border. During 2023, the Republicans threatened to shut down government (through withholding government funding) if HR2 border bill is not passed, and Trump did not oppose them then.

See video of Trump opposing the bipartisan border laws....
"You don't need a deal to tighten up the border and to make it secure.." DJT (video)



Re:DACA

Roberts' opinion for the court was a narrow but powerful rejection of the way the Trump administration went about trying to abolish the program known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA.

"We do not decide whether DACA or its rescission are sound policies," Roberts wrote. "The wisdom of those decisions is none of our concern. Here we address only whether the Administration complied with the procedural requirements in the law that insist on 'a reasoned explanation for its action.' "

"As Roberts noted, Duke's memo didn't address the fact that thousands of young people had come to rely on the program, emerging from the shadows to enroll in degree programs, embark on careers, start businesses, buy homes and even marry and have 200,000 children of their own who are U.S. citizens, not to mention that DACA recipients pay $60 billion in taxes each year."

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/18/829858289/supreme-court-upholds-daca-in-blow-to-trump-administration

Trump had an about turn recently as well.

"Former United States President Donald Trump has said he would automatically grant green cards to foreign graduates of US colleges if re-elected, an unexpected turn from the Republican known for his tough rhetoric on immigration.

During a podcast interview with Silicon Valley tech investors on Thursday, Trump promised to make it easier to bring talent to the US and said anyone who graduates from a US college should be able to stay in the country."

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2...een-cards-to-foreign-graduates-of-us-colleges

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what latest flip flop? Already support fracking 4 years already, while slowly implementing green so that have a good transition to green.

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tell that to Trump first, who is longer in the race and has "nothing to show" :ROFLMAO:

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far left? I see, like supporting fracking, while making the green energy transition?
Implementing sg like policies? :ROFLMAO:

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well, if we call her numbers dwindling, then Trump's numbers must be plunging before :ROFLMAO:


Looking into details, RCP and Nate Silver has her up in the battlegrounds based on polling alone. Nate is still adjusting to some extent as he mentioned "convention bounce" etc.

Alan Lichtman who predicted Obama, Trump, Biden etc is also predicting Kamala will win.

Kamala Harris will win election, predicts leading historian Allan Lichtman​

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/sep/05/harris-election-allan-lichtman

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Haha, Trump took many interviews and told lie after lie...:ROFLMAO:
Quantity does not equate to quality.
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see details. besides want more control at the border? pass the bipartisan border deal that Trump rejected... do note that also Ohio has mostly Republican state officials, governor etc, republicans control trifecta, can pass state laws. Springfield is also in Clark, Ohio, a Trump county.

How Springfield, Ohio, took center stage in the election immigration debate​

"As the industry shrunk, Springfield’s population declined precipitously. “It was a very slow, slow death," says Wilson. “The wind has been knocked out of the sail here.”

"There are also plenty of Republicans here who say the GOP messaging on immigration and jobs is way off base.

“I think this whole notion of migrants taking American jobs is hogwash," says Jamie McGregor, the CEO of the McGregor Metal plant here. "That's spoken like a true person that has never made a payroll or tried to, you know, run a business.”

He beams with pride telling his own family’s story: they arrived in Springfield some 165 years ago and started working in the flower business. “You know, my family was once an immigrant, says McGregor. “And so I wonder how they were accepted.”

As he shows us through the plant, McGregor talks about Springfield’s history. He says the term "rust belt" doesn’t offend him — he just thinks it leaves a lot out. The McGregor Metal Plant produces steel parts and welded assemblies for the auto, agriculture and other industries. He employs over 300 people. Business is good.

But it hasn’t always been easy. “Coming out of the pandemic, you know, the economy roared and demand was outpacing what we could produce.” McGregor says the company was profoundly affected by labor shortages, and some 30 new Haitian workers were vital to filling the gap."

"The Springfield Police Department says it's dealt with its fair share of rumors and misinformation.

"I think it's sad that some people are using this as an opportunity to spread hate or spread fear," says Officer Jason Via, Deputy Director of Public Safety and Operations. "We get these reports 'the Haitians are killing ducks in a lot of our parks' or 'the Haitians are eating vegetables right out of the aisle at the grocery store'. And we haven't really seen any of that. It's really frustrating. As a community, it's not helpful as we try to move forward," Via says.

The rhetoric has gotten so heated, civil rights groups have stepped in. “Frankly, it’s embarrassing,” says Denice D Williams is the president of the Springfield NAACP.

Williams says she understands concerns about the influx testing infrastructure and services. It’s the invasion rhetoric that disturbs her, and brings back painful memories.

“I'm not surprised, I'm disgusted. I grew up in an all-white neighborhood, so they were telling us, 'go back to where you came from.' They would trash our yard. I'm 70 years old, and I'm still hearing ‘send them back.’”


" “We want to grow as a community," Mayor Rue says. “The speed in which we have experienced this growth is what we're concerned about, and why we say we need help from the (federal) government.” "

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/12/nx-s...mp-migration-president-migrants-election-ohio

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